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Most of the funding is for certification.

that pulls the phasing of the funding forward...in the near term...leading up to 2017 goal...rather than after...
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Still interested in how they explain paying one contract 60% more than the other for the same service.

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Do we have a discussion thread for this yet?
LEO is the ocean, not an island (let alone a continent). We create cruise liners to ride the oceans, not artificial islands in the middle of them. We need a physical place, which has physical resources, to make our future out there.

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Incidentally, she didn't know the answer but the end of the contract is 2019 according to the final RFP.
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Still interested in how they explain paying one contract 60% more than the other for the same service.

Because Boeing asked for more and SpaceX asked for less.
« Last Edit: 09/16/2014 09:31 pm by yg1968 »

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where to begin...
how about, where is this money coming from?  are they telling me that the FY15 PBR will fund this selection and contract adequately?  really?...

www.nasa.gov/budget

CCP
fy13 actual 525.0
fy 14 enact 696.0
fy15 request 848.3
fy16 notional 872.3
fy17 notional 791.7
fy18 notional 730.9
fy19 notional 172.0

It appears from the follow on conference that the figures are the max amounts if all six flights are taken up. So, the amounts up to 2017 should be somewhat less than that.

IIRC, the cost of the actual crew flights will come out of the ISS operations budget, not the Commercial Crew development budget, so that would explain part of the mismatch.
If we don't continuously lower the cost to access space, how are we ever going to afford to expand humanity out into space?

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Do we have a discussion thread for this yet?

We're using the CCDEV to CCtCAP thread and the vehicle specific threads.
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Still interested in how they explain paying one contract 60% more than the other for the same service.

Because Boeing asked for more and SpaceX asked for less.
Same as happened in the cargo contracts. SpaceX has made a determination that their value proposition positions them well to win future business.

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NASA Chooses American Companies to Transport U.S. Astronauts to International Space Station Selection

The contracts include at least one crewed flight test per company with at least one NASA astronaut aboard to verify the fully integrated rocket and spacecraft system can launch, maneuver in orbit, and dock to the space station, as well as validate all its systems perform as expected. Once each company’s test program has been completed successfully and its system achieves NASA certification, each contractor will conduct at least two, and as many as six, crewed missions to the space station. These spacecraft also will serve as a lifeboat for astronauts aboard the station.

Per the above, only one NASA astronaut is required on the first crewed demo flight. The others can be company employees.
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NASA Chooses American Companies to Transport U.S. Astronauts to International Space Station Selection

The contracts include at least one crewed flight test per company with at least one NASA astronaut aboard to verify the fully integrated rocket and spacecraft system can launch, maneuver in orbit, and dock to the space station, as well as validate all its systems perform as expected. Once each company’s test program has been completed successfully and its system achieves NASA certification, each contractor will conduct at least two, and as many as six, crewed missions to the space station. These spacecraft also will serve as a lifeboat for astronauts aboard the station.
I am reading it as at least one person on board, all NASA astronauts. Maybe I am wrong.

Per the above, only one NASA astronaut is required on the first crewed demo flight. The others can be company employees.

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Selection Rationale will not be provided today. :-(
...nor any other day. USA is learning from the UK...start in front then shoot both barrels into foot. Such an opportunity missed.

Wrong, the documentation will be available like it has in the past.

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Still interested in how they explain paying one contract 60% more than the other for the same service.

Because Boeing asked for more and SpaceX asked for less.

Which ought to result in Boeing being offered the opportunity to take half the contract at the SpaceX bid price or leave the entire 4.4 B contract to SpaceX saving 2.4B. It's not like 2.4B is peanuts relative to the NASA budget.

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Which ought to result in Boeing being offered the opportunity to take half the contract at the SpaceX bid price or leave the entire 4.4 B contract to SpaceX saving 2.4B. It's not like 2.4B is peanuts relative to the NASA budget.

NASA does not want 1 1/2 transportation systems.  They want two independent systems.

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Which ought to result in Boeing being offered the opportunity to take half the contract at the SpaceX bid price or leave the entire 4.4 B contract to SpaceX saving 2.4B. It's not like 2.4B is peanuts relative to the NASA budget.

No, the requirement is for two suppliers and not just funding the most popular one.

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Guests back on.

Sorry about that. Had to do it as the site was being hammered. No use to anyone if the site goes down under massive demand, so that ensures we stay up.
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Guests back on.

Sorry about that. Had to do it as the site was being hammered. No use to anyone if the site goes down under massive demand, so that ensures we stay up.

If you have Nagios or some other monitoring/analytics software, post the traffic graph!  ;D

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I think it's great that Boeing got so much more than SpaceX to do the same job. This way if SpaceX fulfill their obligation in the same time frame or sooner then it will become painfully obvious to even the casual observer that Boeing/NASA has seriously let down the US taxpayer.
 For things to change there often has to be a glaring reason. This just may provide it.

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Update thread. Use the other threads for discussion.

If any of you want to act like a five year old girl who's just been told she's not getting a Pony for her birthday - don't post. ;)
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Oh and I'd appreciate if it people would only e-mail/PM me if it's important. I've had over a 1000 messages since this was announced. My small brain can't cope! ;D
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Which ought to result in Boeing being offered the opportunity to take half the contract at the SpaceX bid price or leave the entire 4.4 B contract to SpaceX saving 2.4B. It's not like 2.4B is peanuts relative to the NASA budget.

No, the requirement is for two suppliers and not just funding the most popular one.

I understand. It's just a big price to pay just for the criterion somebody inserted that they have 2 suppliers...not a competitive bid process but 2 actual suppliers. $2.4B isn't a trivial budget item.

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