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#1380
by
Phil Stooke
on 27 May, 2018 02:02
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My interpretation of that is that they are not really concerned about the whales etc. or the rocket debris. They are trying to get onerous regulations regarding seismic surveys (and attendant damage to whale communications or hearing) softened. They basically say the two things should be regulated the same way, preferably lightly. There is a substantial conflict of interest apparent in this document.
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#1381
by
Comga
on 27 May, 2018 05:09
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Ah
Stratera is worried that weekly launches, with deadly debris just raining from the sky, will massively inconvenience those dedicated Japanese and Norwegian marine scientists doing such important research on the health of our precious, precious whales by disecting them.
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#1382
by
Katana
on 06 Jun, 2018 20:54
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Ah
Stratera is worried that weekly launches, with deadly debris just raining from the sky, will massively inconvenience those dedicated Japanese and Norwegian marine scientists doing such important research on the health of our precious, precious whales by disecting them.
Weekly NOTAM would rule out the existance of Japanese and Norwegian science ships in certain nature reserve area.
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#1383
by
CameronD
on 06 Jun, 2018 23:20
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Ah
Stratera is worried that weekly launches, with deadly debris just raining from the sky, will massively inconvenience those dedicated Japanese and Norwegian marine scientists doing such important research on the health of our precious, precious whales by disecting them.
Weekly NOTAM would rule out the existance of Japanese and Norwegian science ships in certain nature reserve area.
1. NOTAM = NOtice To AirMen. Ship captains don't read them.
2. Most likely Comga was joking..
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#1384
by
deruch
on 07 Jun, 2018 00:04
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Ah
Stratera is worried that weekly launches, with deadly debris just raining from the sky, will massively inconvenience those dedicated Japanese and Norwegian marine scientists doing such important research on the health of our precious, precious whales by disecting them.
Weekly NOTAM would rule out the existance of Japanese and Norwegian science ships in certain nature reserve area.
1. NOTAM = NOtice To AirMen. Ship captains don't read them.
2. Most likely Comga was joking..
Yeah, but they publish NOTMARs too. NOTMAR= NOtices To MARiners.
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#1385
by
Comga
on 07 Jun, 2018 00:19
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Ah
Stratera is worried that weekly launches, with deadly debris just raining from the sky, will massively inconvenience those dedicated Japanese and Norwegian marine scientists doing such important research on the health of our precious, precious whales by disecting them.
Weekly NOTAM would rule out the existance of Japanese and Norwegian science ships in certain nature reserve area.
1. NOTAM = NOtice To AirMen. Ship captains don't read them.
2. Most likely Comga was joking..
2: Ya think?
"..deadly debris just raining from the sky"
"dedicated... marine scientists..."
That's not joking.
It's SARCASM
In case you missed it...
Repeating "Japanese and Norwegian science ships" makes me think you did.
Refer back to Phil Stooke's post
I tried to calculate the odds of a single occurrence in a decade with all assumptions maxed out.
It required scientific notation with a large negative exponent.
This stuff is specious garbage with an agenda.
And here I was hoping this was a post about the next Electron launch...
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#1386
by
CameronD
on 07 Jun, 2018 04:48
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2. Most likely Comga was joking..
2: Ya think?
"..deadly debris just raining from the sky"
"dedicated... marine scientists..."
That's not joking.
It's SARCASM
Hey, far be it from me to put words in your mouth..
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#1387
by
CameronD
on 07 Jun, 2018 04:50
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Weekly NOTAM would rule out the existance of Japanese and Norwegian science ships in certain nature reserve area.
1. NOTAM = NOtice To AirMen. Ship captains don't read them.
2. Most likely Comga was joking..
Yeah, but they publish NOTMARs too. NOTMAR= NOtices To MARiners.
Yeah, I'm aware of that. Ship captains don't read them either (unless a) they're bored or b) they really have to).
It's SARCASM
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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#1388
by
Beittil
on 19 Jun, 2018 13:46
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Hey, you know you have made it as a launch company when you get your own forum section on NSF right?
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#1389
by
edkyle99
on 19 Jun, 2018 16:28
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Hey, you know you have made it as a launch company when you get your own forum section on NSF right?
Yes, but shouldn't be in the "U.S." section in my opinion.
- Ed Kyle
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#1390
by
envy887
on 19 Jun, 2018 16:41
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Hey, you know you have made it as a launch company when you get your own forum section on NSF right?
Yes, but shouldn't be in the "U.S." section in my opinion.
- Ed Kyle
Tell that to RocketLab
Rocket Lab is an American company with headquarters in Los Angeles and a wholly-owned New Zealand subsidiary.
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/frequently-asked-questions/
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#1391
by
russianhalo117
on 19 Jun, 2018 16:41
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Hey, you know you have made it as a launch company when you get your own forum section on NSF right?
Yes, but shouldn't be in the "U.S." section in my opinion.
- Ed Kyle
Even though the initial launch site is in New Zealand, The majority of the rocket is manufactured in the US with a complete US Production line starting soon now that RL's US launch sites are now official on their site:
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/launch/launch-sites/
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#1392
by
Comga
on 24 Jun, 2018 17:23
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Hey, you know you have made it as a launch company when you get your own forum section on NSF right?
Yes, but shouldn't be in the "U.S." section in my opinion.
- Ed Kyle
Tell that to RocketLab
Rocket Lab is an American company with headquarters in Los Angeles and a wholly-owned New Zealand subsidiary.
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/frequently-asked-questions/
That
Plus this section is "Commercial and US Government Launch Vehicles" NOT "US Commercial and Government Launch Vehicles". Rocketlab is certainly not Russian, ESA, Japanese, Chinese, or Indian, nor does it belong with "Other..."
This seems an excellent place for the Rocketlab section
And yes, Beittil, with only one successful launch, far less than Israel, even less than the North Koreans and Iranians, getting their own section in NSF is a recognition of significance to the launch marketplace to which we pay attention.
YMMV, Jim et. al.
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#1393
by
edkyle99
on 24 Jun, 2018 18:31
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Even though the initial launch site is in New Zealand, The majority of the rocket is manufactured in the US with a complete US Production line starting soon now that RL's US launch sites are now official on their site: https://www.rocketlabusa.com/launch/launch-sites/
Soon maybe, but not yet I believe, and I haven't found information on where, exactly, items have been manufactured up to now except for many images of rockets in New Zealand. They are still hiring for Huntington Beach. Propulsion production engineers. Test engineers. Receptionists. Etc.
Design, R&D, final assembly, test, and launch is still in New Zealand.
- Ed Kyle
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#1394
by
gongora
on 24 Jun, 2018 19:07
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#1395
by
CameronD
on 25 Jun, 2018 00:09
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http://www.rocketlabusa.com/news/updates/rocket-lab-reaches-500-rutherford-engine-test-fires/
Rutherford engines are manufactured at Rocket Lab’s headquarters in California, USA, and shipped to Auckland, New Zealand for testing before integration with the Electron launch vehicle and eventual launch from Rocket Lab’s own orbital launch facility, Launch Complex-1, on the Māhia peninsula.
RL operate from 2,521m2 of factory space at 3A Airpark Drive, Mangere, Auckland, and have never had the space nor the resources to make the large numbers of engines they need there. It seems Peter Beck (and others on the RL team) has spent much of his recent life flying back and forwards between NZ and the USA.
Like Ed said: "Design, R&D, final assembly, test, and launch is still in New Zealand." Auckland and Mahia respectively.
EDIT: (Source:
https://www.qv.co.nz/property/3a-airpark-drive-mangere-auckland-2022/2374752)
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#1396
by
edkyle99
on 25 Jun, 2018 15:23
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Like Ed said: "Design, R&D, final assembly, test, and launch is still in New Zealand." Auckland and Mahia respectively.
Much like Antares, which is largely manufactured in Russia/Ukraine, but sees final assembly in Virginia. If Antares is a "U.S." launch vehicle, isn't Electron a "New Zealand" rocket still?
- Ed Kyle
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#1397
by
russianhalo117
on 25 Jun, 2018 16:21
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Like Ed said: "Design, R&D, final assembly, test, and launch is still in New Zealand." Auckland and Mahia respectively.
Much like Antares, which is largely manufactured in Russia/Ukraine, but sees final assembly in Virginia. If Antares is a "U.S." launch vehicle, isn't Electron a "New Zealand" rocket still?
- Ed Kyle
I was told by someone on another site that rockets for US launches will be built in the US and rockets for NZ launches will eventually be produced and built entirely in NZ so that would be 2 independent production flows if proven to be correct information.
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#1398
by
RonM
on 25 Jun, 2018 17:46
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Like Ed said: "Design, R&D, final assembly, test, and launch is still in New Zealand." Auckland and Mahia respectively.
Much like Antares, which is largely manufactured in Russia/Ukraine, but sees final assembly in Virginia. If Antares is a "U.S." launch vehicle, isn't Electron a "New Zealand" rocket still?
- Ed Kyle
My Toyota Camry was assembled in Kentucky. Is it an American car? Most people would say it's Japanese because it was designed and developed in Japan by a Japanese company.
Antares is an American launch vehicle even though many components are built overseas. Orion is an American spacecraft even though the service module is built in Europe.
Electron is an odd case, being developed in New Zealand by an American-based company. It's really a joint American-New Zealand project. Since it's being operated in New Zealand by an American company, it's going to be regulated by both countries.
So, why is this question so important? Shouldn't we be discussing the rocket instead of trivia?
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#1399
by
Chris Bergin
on 25 Jun, 2018 21:23
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It's in this section because that's what we decided. End of conversation.
