Quote from: Shaledc on 06/12/2014 02:13 amQuote from: Sesquipedalian on 06/11/2014 10:11 pm2) The reason the Dragon looks like a mockup is because the whole thing is covered in SPAM -- SPacex Ablator Material. (Except for the heat shield which, of course, uses PICA-X.) They coat the outer panels with the stuff, shape it, and form it, and then stick the panels on the spacecraft. This protects the outer skin of the spacecraft from re-entry heating. The SPAM is what makes it look fake; it has the texture and glossiness of a flimsy mockup molded out of styrofoam or plastic, but it is in fact quite solid.I also touched the skin when the guards were not looking...... and? was it "soft" like thick paint, or "brittle" like a ceramic? Did it feel cold to the touch? Metallic? Glassy?
Quote from: Sesquipedalian on 06/11/2014 10:11 pm2) The reason the Dragon looks like a mockup is because the whole thing is covered in SPAM -- SPacex Ablator Material. (Except for the heat shield which, of course, uses PICA-X.) They coat the outer panels with the stuff, shape it, and form it, and then stick the panels on the spacecraft. This protects the outer skin of the spacecraft from re-entry heating. The SPAM is what makes it look fake; it has the texture and glossiness of a flimsy mockup molded out of styrofoam or plastic, but it is in fact quite solid.I also touched the skin when the guards were not looking...
2) The reason the Dragon looks like a mockup is because the whole thing is covered in SPAM -- SPacex Ablator Material. (Except for the heat shield which, of course, uses PICA-X.) They coat the outer panels with the stuff, shape it, and form it, and then stick the panels on the spacecraft. This protects the outer skin of the spacecraft from re-entry heating. The SPAM is what makes it look fake; it has the texture and glossiness of a flimsy mockup molded out of styrofoam or plastic, but it is in fact quite solid.
I spoke not to an engineer, but to a guy who built the capsule.
First is one of two trunk attachment points. Covered by some phelonic substance.
I also touched the skin when the guards were not looking...
... and? was it "soft" like thick paint, or "brittle" like a ceramic? Did it feel cold to the touch? Metallic? Glassy?
Quote from: meekGee on 06/12/2014 02:15 amQuote from: Shaledc on 06/12/2014 02:13 amQuote from: Sesquipedalian on 06/11/2014 10:11 pm2) The reason the Dragon looks like a mockup is because the whole thing is covered in SPAM -- SPacex Ablator Material. (Except for the heat shield which, of course, uses PICA-X.) They coat the outer panels with the stuff, shape it, and form it, and then stick the panels on the spacecraft. This protects the outer skin of the spacecraft from re-entry heating. The SPAM is what makes it look fake; it has the texture and glossiness of a flimsy mockup molded out of styrofoam or plastic, but it is in fact quite solid.I also touched the skin when the guards were not looking...... and? was it "soft" like thick paint, or "brittle" like a ceramic? Did it feel cold to the touch? Metallic? Glassy?I had ample hands on time in Hawthorne. The surface was very firm to the touch and felt quite solid. No give at all, not flimsy or hollow, not cold like metal. When tapped, it felt and sounded like thick fiberglass, like on the bottom of a substantial boat. The skin is made of close fitting panels and the seams between the panels and holes for fasteners are filled with a fairly rigid putty that has slightly more give than the panels themselves. This same putty also fills in space between the panels and the edges of the small Draco thrusters, so I suspect it is highly thermal resistant.
Also, while I was shooting pictures, someone else asked what number this was and was told SpaceX doesn't number them, but that individual missions are numbered. Take that with as much salt as you want; there's got to be some sort of internal inventory number for maintenance/tracking/safety/etc.
Quote from: Helodriver on 06/12/2014 04:42 amQuote from: meekGee on 06/12/2014 02:15 amQuote from: Shaledc on 06/12/2014 02:13 amQuote from: Sesquipedalian on 06/11/2014 10:11 pm2) The reason the Dragon looks like a mockup is because the whole thing is covered in SPAM -- SPacex Ablator Material. (Except for the heat shield which, of course, uses PICA-X.) They coat the outer panels with the stuff, shape it, and form it, and then stick the panels on the spacecraft. This protects the outer skin of the spacecraft from re-entry heating. The SPAM is what makes it look fake; it has the texture and glossiness of a flimsy mockup molded out of styrofoam or plastic, but it is in fact quite solid.I also touched the skin when the guards were not looking...... and? was it "soft" like thick paint, or "brittle" like a ceramic? Did it feel cold to the touch? Metallic? Glassy?I had ample hands on time in Hawthorne. The surface was very firm to the touch and felt quite solid. No give at all, not flimsy or hollow, not cold like metal. When tapped, it felt and sounded like thick fiberglass, like on the bottom of a substantial boat. The skin is made of close fitting panels and the seams between the panels and holes for fasteners are filled with a fairly rigid putty that has slightly more give than the panels themselves. This same putty also fills in space between the panels and the edges of the small Draco thrusters, so I suspect it is highly thermal resistant.Interesting. I wonder if they can re-apply more SPAM when some areas become too thin. Prime the outer layer, and paint it back to its original thickness.
I wonder how they manage to do it completely watertight. I could imagine very small amounts of water between the SPAM and the hull to cause problems when the spacecraft is in vacuum and having high temperature variations. Probably not a safety problem, but could cause some extra maintenance.
Interesting location of connection points for lifting.
Quote from: grythumn on 06/11/2014 10:49 pmAlso, while I was shooting pictures, someone else asked what number this was and was told SpaceX doesn't number them, but that individual missions are numbered. Take that with as much salt as you want; there's got to be some sort of internal inventory number for maintenance/tracking/safety/etc.They could be thinking of giving them names rather than numbers. If I was SpaceX I'd run a public competition; lots of good PR, especially if they reserve one or more for schoolchildren and have some suitable exciting prize.
Quote from: Jdeshetler on 06/11/2014 02:18 pmInteresting location of connection points for lifting.Not at all. Those connection points for lifting are located at the top of the pressure hull. The pressure hull is the structural spaceframe. Everything else is attached to it.
Quote from: woods170 on 06/12/2014 12:36 pmQuote from: Jdeshetler on 06/11/2014 02:18 pmInteresting location of connection points for lifting.Not at all. Those connection points for lifting are located at the top of the pressure hull. The pressure hull is the structural spaceframe. Everything else is attached to it.Yes, but I am referring to the angle of support cables which is at almost 45 degree (based on photo).
Those close up images of the Super Draco nozzles do NOT look 3D printed to me. They definitely have a weave design to them.Just to be clear. I still believe that the core of the engine is 3D printed, but it does not look like the nozzles are.
Quote from: sheltonjr on 06/12/2014 03:47 pmThose close up images of the Super Draco nozzles do NOT look 3D printed to me. They definitely have a weave design to them.Just to be clear. I still believe that the core of the engine is 3D printed, but it does not look like the nozzles are.Here's a VERY close up-skirt photo my dad took yesterday of the exhaust ports. Make your own conclusions. Lot's of herringbone texture.
Quote from: J-V on 06/12/2014 10:01 amI wonder how they manage to do it completely watertight. I could imagine very small amounts of water between the SPAM and the hull to cause problems when the spacecraft is in vacuum and having high temperature variations. Probably not a safety problem, but could cause some extra maintenance.That's because it will land on ... land, not water
Everything has been so well covered here at NSF that there is not a lot I can contribute with my pictures, but here are some pics of random details and items SpaceX was giving away..
I noticed from the images that the landing legs differ in length from the front to the back. Look at images 13 and 35 here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/h0aq4cpsvno53hi/AACq63OMC3mmCY9YMctRUhGFaThe rear leg in image 13 is up on blocks compared to the front leg in image 35 (you can still see the rear leg in the background). In normal operations, the capsule would rest at an angle towards the rear.I'm thinking this makes sense because we already know the capsule will descend at a rearwards angle to improve water landing smoothness. Having shorter rear legs means that all 4 legs will touch down with the same approximate force at the same time instead of the rear legs banging down harder than the front legs.Should we rightly call this a spacecraft and not a capsule (said with a snide German accent) since it is self-powered?
Quote from: sghill on 06/12/2014 04:07 pmQuote from: sheltonjr on 06/12/2014 03:47 pmThose close up images of the Super Draco nozzles do NOT look 3D printed to me. They definitely have a weave design to them.Just to be clear. I still believe that the core of the engine is 3D printed, but it does not look like the nozzles are.Here's a VERY close up-skirt photo my dad took yesterday of the exhaust ports. Make your own conclusions. Lot's of herringbone texture.I took this picture yesterday as well (pushed levels in Photoshop to show some more detail). The structured material did not look metallic at all to me (I was too chicken to try to touch it…). The part behind it is definitely metal, shaped like an SD chamber. The shiny part in the back seemed like a different metal, possibly the shiny protective nacelle showing through an opening (as it was mentioned earlier in this thread by moralec and Sesquipedalian, the SDs are not completely installed, missing injectors for example).My guess for the throat diameter of the metallic part is about 4" (really rough estimate…). Take all this with an appropriately sized grain of salt, as it is only my perception after seeing it up close.