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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #1 on: 04/02/2014 07:14 pm »
$50m - $200m expected.

http://qz.com/194164/heres-another-thing-billionaire-elon-musks-spacex-is-looking-to-launch-a-new-funding-round/
This sounds more in line with employee stock buy-back then true new funding. If I remember right the previous rounds were in the 50-200m range. This is a really small amount looking at some of the projects they are gearing up to do.

I should have added, I think it was misreported by Quartz.
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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #2 on: 04/02/2014 07:24 pm »
$50m - $200m expected.

http://qz.com/194164/heres-another-thing-billionaire-elon-musks-spacex-is-looking-to-launch-a-new-funding-round/
This sounds more in line with employee stock buy-back then true new funding. If I remember right the previous rounds were in the 50-200m range. This is a really small amount looking at some of the projects they are gearing up to do.

There would be no new funding if it was entirely employee stock-buy back.
I wonder who sets the share value of a non-public traded stock.

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #3 on: 04/02/2014 08:31 pm »
I wonder who sets the share value of a non-public traded stock.

Perhaps to offer a certain price for the shares, and see how many they are offered?

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #4 on: 04/02/2014 11:35 pm »
If you look at the Quartz article they reference a March 2013 PandoDaily article that reported on a DFJ led $30M shareholder liquidity round.  From that article they quoted Elon Musk as saying:

"SpaceX does small stock sales every six months or so to provide liquidity to employees, since we are not public. We don’t comment on valuation (big advantage of being private!), but it is around midway between those two numbers [$2.4 billion and $6 billion]."

If the $50-200M range is accurate it could represent more than just a liquidity round, but let's remember that SpaceX grew big in the past couple of years and that they have far more employees now that would be reaching employee option vesting points.  Based on that I would think $50M would be all employee liquidity funding (i.e. business as usual).  And with a higher company valuation (which is usually set by an internal committee using market proxies and other factors) $200M could still be all liquidity related.

Overall it doesn't look like they are trying to fund a new, big initiative.
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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #5 on: 04/04/2014 11:40 am »
I wonder who sets the share value of a non-public traded stock.

The share value is set by negotiations between the company and the new investors.  It's just like if I want to sell my car and you want to buy it -- I might offer you one price, you might counter with another, and that might go on until we reach a number we both agree to.  If we don't agree, I might look for someone else to sell my car to.  It's exactly the same with a sale of shares in a private company.

valuation (which is usually set by an internal committee using market proxies and other factors)

No, that's how the valuation is set for purposes of stock options when there isn't a sale of stock.  When there's a sale of stock to investors, it's set by negotiations, with the company trying to make the price as high as possible and the investors trying to make it as low as possible.

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #6 on: 04/04/2014 12:54 pm »
Is there any way WE (the small investor) (20-100K) can invest in SpaceX?
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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #7 on: 04/04/2014 01:00 pm »
Is there any way WE (the small investor) (20-100K) can invest in SpaceX?

I think no, not directly.  Of course, if you know the right people, maybe you can work something out while they are still private.  But as a regular guy/gal on the streat (esp. international), no, I don't think so.  Unless you want to buy a bunch of merchandise from their gift shop.  ;)  Probably not the kind of return on investment you'd be hoping for though.
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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #8 on: 04/05/2014 01:50 pm »
Is there any way WE (the small investor) (20-100K) can invest in SpaceX?
Work for them.

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #9 on: 04/05/2014 08:56 pm »
Can't work for them without a green card or citizenship.

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #10 on: 04/06/2014 05:52 am »
Is there any way WE (the small investor) (20-100K) can invest in SpaceX?
I'd like to see Elon start a "human evolution" investment company that we can buy shares in, that invests in long term projects like SpaceX.

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #11 on: 04/06/2014 03:57 pm »
Sounds like what "SpaceVest" was trying to do back in the 1990s / 2000s. 

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #12 on: 04/07/2014 06:36 pm »
I'm pretty sure it is legal for "accredited investors" to buy shares of a private company such as SpaceX, provided you can find a seller. I believe there are marketplaces to facilitate these types of transactions such as SharesPost.com. An accredited investor must have > $1M net worth and >$200k yearly income.

https://www.sec.gov/answers/accred.htm
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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #13 on: 04/08/2014 04:51 pm »
I think that's "or", not "and".  There are 8 separate qualifying situations listed; and the trransition from #7 to #8 is "or". 
$1M assets is #6; $200K income is #7.


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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #14 on: 04/08/2014 05:28 pm »
I think that's "or", not "and".  There are 8 separate qualifying situations listed; and the trransition from #7 to #8 is "or". 
$1M assets is #6; $200K income is #7.
So I cant sell part of my business to a person that does not fulfill those criteria? Odd...

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #15 on: 04/08/2014 05:53 pm »
I think that's "or", not "and".  There are 8 separate qualifying situations listed; and the trransition from #7 to #8 is "or". 
$1M assets is #6; $200K income is #7.
So I cant sell part of my business to a person that does not fulfill those criteria? Odd...

No, that's not what the regulation says.  I'd paraphrase the section above as "IF your offering is large enough that it requires that you register your securities with the SEC, AND your shares are not traded publicly, THEN your buyers must meet the "accredited investor" criteria."

There are many other exemptions to SEC registration / oversight - which you can find by clicking on the links under the URL listed above.  So if you have a lawn service company valued at $150K, yes, you can sell a stake in it to the guy you met at the bar without involving the SEC.

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #16 on: 04/08/2014 06:22 pm »
I think that's "or", not "and".  There are 8 separate qualifying situations listed; and the trransition from #7 to #8 is "or". 
$1M assets is #6; $200K income is #7.
So I cant sell part of my business to a person that does not fulfill those criteria? Odd...

No, that's not what the regulation says.  I'd paraphrase the section above as "IF your offering is large enough that it requires that you register your securities with the SEC, AND your shares are not traded publicly, THEN your buyers must meet the "accredited investor" criteria."

There are many other exemptions to SEC registration / oversight - which you can find by clicking on the links under the URL listed above.  So if you have a lawn service company valued at $150K, yes, you can sell a stake in it to the guy you met at the bar without involving the SEC.
Thanks for clarifying that!

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #17 on: 04/09/2014 09:24 am »
No, that's not what the regulation says.  I'd paraphrase the section above as "IF your offering is large enough that it requires that you register your securities with the SEC, AND your shares are not traded publicly, THEN your buyers must meet the "accredited investor" criteria."

That's seems to be about companies selling shares in themselves, not about shareholders selling shares they own. A private citizen can presumably sell any SpaceX shares they own to whomever they want (subject to any contractual restrictions they accepted on buying the shares or pre-emption rights etc)?

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #18 on: 04/09/2014 10:12 am »
No, that's not what the regulation says.  I'd paraphrase the section above as "IF your offering is large enough that it requires that you register your securities with the SEC, AND your shares are not traded publicly, THEN your buyers must meet the "accredited investor" criteria."

That's seems to be about companies selling shares in themselves, not about shareholders selling shares they own. A private citizen can presumably sell any SpaceX shares they own to whomever they want (subject to any contractual restrictions they accepted on buying the shares or pre-emption rights etc)?

No, resales are still covered by the same rules.

If they weren't, people would use that loophole all the time -- all you'd need would be someone rich to act as middleman and you could sell shares indirectly to anyone.

https://www.sec.gov/info/smallbus/qasbsec.htm#resales

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“Restricted securities” are previously-issued securities held by security holders that are not freely tradable because the sale transaction from the issuer to the security holders was a private transaction. After such a private transaction, the security holders can only resell the securities into the market by using an “effective” registration statement under the Securities Act or a valid exemption from the registration requirements of the Securities Act for the resale, such as Rule 144 under the Securities Act.

If holders of restricted securities want to resell using an effective registration statement, the issuing company can provide a registration statement for them to make sales in a public offering by following the process discussed above for registering a public offering of securities.

Alternatively, a holder of restricted securities can resell using an exemption. For example, Securities Act Rule 144 provides an exemption that permits the resale of restricted securities if a number of conditions are met, including holding the securities for six months or one year, depending on whether the issuer has been filing reports under the Exchange Act. Rule 144 may limit the amount of securities that can be sold at one time and may restrict the manner of sale, depending on whether the security holder is an affiliate. An affiliate of a company is a person that, directly, or indirectly through one or more intermediaries controls, or is controlled by, or is under common control with, the company.

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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #19 on: 04/09/2014 01:00 pm »
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A private citizen can presumably sell any SpaceX shares they own to whomever they want (subject to any contractual restrictions they accepted on buying the shares or pre-emption rights etc)?

I expect that most private stock shares that are purchased by individual investors or transferred as part of employee compensation _ARE_ constrained by various kinds of terms in contracts.  For example, the company may retain the right to repurchase the stock from the individual if the company does not approve of selling it in general or to a specific potential buyer.  I know when I was part of a startup-ish company, we were restricted from selling its private stock.
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Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #20 on: 04/10/2014 01:14 am »
Harder to keep the number of stockholders under the SEC ceiling if you let anyone sell to anyone.

Offline CuddlyRocket

Re: New funding round for SpaceX
« Reply #21 on: 04/10/2014 07:44 am »
All very complicated. Much simpler in the UK. Fewer lawyers in the legislature. :)

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