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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #180 on: 07/09/2014 06:56 pm »
Launch photos.

Photo by Denis Efremov
Nice view from 35/1 of where 35/2 is supposed to go if they ever get around to building it.

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #181 on: 07/09/2014 07:32 pm »
Nice view from 35/1 of where 35/2 is supposed to go if they ever get around to building it

35/2 will be somewhere here to 2020:
« Last Edit: 07/09/2014 07:38 pm by anik »

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #182 on: 07/10/2014 07:58 am »
"Success" is a definition that's only known to the Russian team. But to us mortals it looks like it went well, so congrats to all concerned.
All we know for sure, if the video is to be believed, is that Angara rose from the pad and into the clouds for several seconds.   Unless some independent tracking data is made available (it won't) we can only wonder if the rocket failed or succeeded after it entered the clouds.

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #183 on: 07/10/2014 08:23 am »
Roscosmos video of the launch (HD):


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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #184 on: 07/10/2014 09:03 am »
^Looks like some kind of fluid cascading from the upper stages. It is clearly seen on the left side of the LV in the video. Must be condesation. Right?. As any thing else would be real bad, though it gives an impression of flameing on contact with the exhaust.
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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #185 on: 07/10/2014 09:20 am »
Have you never seen an uninsulated LOX tank during launch by now?

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #186 on: 07/10/2014 12:52 pm »
Congrats to those involved.  A very long time coming so I'm sure there were plenty of guys with tears in their eyes after liftoff.
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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #187 on: 07/10/2014 01:57 pm »
"Success" is a definition that's only known to the Russian team. But to us mortals it looks like it went well, so congrats to all concerned.
All we know for sure, if the video is to be believed, is that Angara rose from the pad and into the clouds for several seconds.   Unless some independent tracking data is made available (it won't) we can only wonder if the rocket failed or succeeded after it entered the clouds.

This is all Elon's fault. 

 - Ed Kyle
You forgot a winking smiley.

maybe you'd like another look into the crystal ball ;D
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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #188 on: 07/10/2014 02:07 pm »
"Success" is a definition that's only known to the Russian team. But to us mortals it looks like it went well, so congrats to all concerned.
All we know for sure, if the video is to be believed, is that Angara rose from the pad and into the clouds for several seconds.   Unless some independent tracking data is made available (it won't) we can only wonder if the rocket failed or succeeded after it entered the clouds.

This is all Elon's fault. 

 - Ed Kyle
You forgot a winking smiley.

maybe you'd like another look into the crystal ball ;D

Not yours my friend. It's been known to malfunction  ;D
« Last Edit: 07/10/2014 02:07 pm by woods170 »

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #189 on: 07/10/2014 03:10 pm »
^Looks like some kind of fluid cascading from the upper stages. It is clearly seen on the left side of the LV in the video. Must be condesation. Right?. As any thing else would be real bad, though it gives an impression of flameing on contact with the exhaust.
That flow is oxygen from first stage's oxygen tank pressure relief valve, it reacts with fuel-rich exhaust on contact with it, this is nominal.

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #190 on: 07/10/2014 04:43 pm »
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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #191 on: 07/10/2014 05:32 pm »
That flow is oxygen from first stage's oxygen tank pressure relief valve, it reacts with fuel-rich exhaust on contact with it, this is nominal.
There is no fuel-rich exhaust - RD-191 is oxygen-rich closed-cycle engine and therefore exhaust contains excess oxygen and no fuel.
« Last Edit: 07/10/2014 05:33 pm by asmi »

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #192 on: 07/10/2014 05:53 pm »
At the risk of going further off-topic:

I had understood that the pre-burners in an ORSC engine were oxygen-rich, but that the main combustion chamber (and its exhaust product) were slightly fuel-rich. Fuel-rich exhaust burns cooler and ensures there is little free hot oxygen to react to the metals in the combustion chamber and nozzle. The reason for the oxygen-rich preburners is to eliminate the possibility of coking when using kerosene.

Please correct me if I'm wrong; I'm merely regurgitating what I think I remember reading and would not be surprised if I was wrong.

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #193 on: 07/10/2014 08:00 pm »
At the risk of going further off-topic:

I had understood that the pre-burners in an ORSC engine were oxygen-rich, but that the main combustion chamber (and its exhaust product) were slightly fuel-rich. Fuel-rich exhaust burns cooler and ensures there is little free hot oxygen to react to the metals in the combustion chamber and nozzle. The reason for the oxygen-rich preburners is to eliminate the possibility of coking when using kerosene.

Please correct me if I'm wrong; I'm merely regurgitating what I think I remember reading and would not be surprised if I was wrong.
You are right, ORSC RG-1/LOX are usually run at an 2.73 O/F ratio rather than stoichiometric (>3.5). For the same reason CH4 are usually 3.2 to 3.6 (rather tha 4) and H2 5.5 to 6.0 (rather than 8.0).

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #194 on: 07/10/2014 08:03 pm »
That flow is oxygen from first stage's oxygen tank pressure relief valve, it reacts with fuel-rich exhaust on contact with it, this is nominal.
There is no fuel-rich exhaust - RD-191 is oxygen-rich closed-cycle engine and therefore exhaust contains excess oxygen and no fuel.

while we are on this topic counting the naro launches this makes what the 4th test launch of the RD-191?
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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #195 on: 07/10/2014 08:14 pm »
Probably the best news feature of this flight I have seen - from rocket assembly to launch operations to impressive new views of the launch!  http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=608799 8)

P.S. It seems that when discussing foreign competition to Angara the one rocket they mentioned is - yup you guessed it - the Falcon 9. Anyone who can speak Russian can help with what was discussed inside? :)
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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #196 on: 07/10/2014 08:38 pm »
That flow is oxygen from first stage's oxygen tank pressure relief valve, it reacts with fuel-rich exhaust on contact with it, this is nominal.
There is no fuel-rich exhaust - RD-191 is oxygen-rich closed-cycle engine and therefore exhaust contains excess oxygen and no fuel.

while we are on this topic counting the naro launches this makes what the 4th test launch of the RD-191?
Naro was RD-151, a lower thrust variant. This was, technically, the RD-191 debut. BTW, the RD-191 was not qualified until 2012 or 13.

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #197 on: 07/10/2014 08:42 pm »
That flow is oxygen from first stage's oxygen tank pressure relief valve, it reacts with fuel-rich exhaust on contact with it, this is nominal.
There is no fuel-rich exhaust - RD-191 is oxygen-rich closed-cycle engine and therefore exhaust contains excess oxygen and no fuel.

while we are on this topic counting the naro launches this makes what the 4th test launch of the RD-191?
Naro was RD-151, a lower thrust variant. This was, technically, the RD-191 debut. BTW, the RD-191 was not qualified until 2012 or 13.

I think the original engine for the first Angara launch flew on the third Naro
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34292.msg1219693#msg1219693
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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #198 on: 07/11/2014 12:21 am »
P.S. It seems that when discussing foreign competition to Angara the one rocket they mentioned is - yup you guessed it - the Falcon 9. Anyone who can speak Russian can help with what was discussed inside? :)
The person questions economical efficiency of Angara series and states that Falcon-9 launch is two times cheaper. Not a word of where the data is coming from.

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Re: Angara-1.2PP first launch - July 9, 2014
« Reply #199 on: 07/11/2014 05:05 am »
Probably the best news feature of this flight I have seen - from rocket assembly to launch operations to impressive new views of the launch!  http://www.vesti.ru/only_video.html?vid=608799 8)


I beg you to please upload it on youtube. For some reason vesti.ru never works for me.  :(

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