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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #120 on: 06/28/2014 01:55 pm »
I think, Rokot might have been the last orbital system, which began with intentional suborbital flights

Soyuz-2-1A.

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #121 on: 06/28/2014 02:49 pm »
I think, Rokot might have been the last orbital system, which began with intentional suborbital flights

Soyuz-2-1A.

I did not consider Soyuz-2-1A as a new system, but just a variation of a long existing system.

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #122 on: 06/28/2014 03:07 pm »
Even before this news about the valve becomes public, the associated press put out a very harsh story on the angara launch attempt:

"MOSCOW –  The first launch of Russia's new space rocket after two decades of development has been aborted moments before its blastoff as President Vladimir Putin was watching via live feed.

Friday's botched attempt to launch the Angara booster rocket was the latest mishap to dog Russia's troubled space industries, whose Soviet-era glory has faded in a series of launch failures.

Angara is built to replace the Soyuz, a workhorse of the Soviet and then Russian space program, designed more than four decades ago.

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This is their story for a 24 hour delay. Imagine if SpaceX, ULA, or orbital got that coverage? I could only imagine what it will be for a return to factory delay.  I suspect that the AP author wouldn't know the difference.

The story was written by Vladimir Isachenkov.  I'm not certain, but, based on the numerous stories he has posted, he appears to be based in Moscow.

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« Last Edit: 06/28/2014 03:14 pm by edkyle99 »

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #123 on: 06/28/2014 03:27 pm »
Is valves being welded to the piping something that's the norm for LVs? Seems rather weird to me, although I could see that might eliminate problems with leaks this way.

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #124 on: 06/28/2014 03:53 pm »
Even before this news about the valve becomes public, the associated press put out a very harsh story on the angara launch attempt:

"MOSCOW –  The first launch of Russia's new space rocket after two decades of development has been aborted moments before its blastoff as President Vladimir Putin was watching via live feed.

Friday's botched attempt to launch the Angara booster rocket was the latest mishap to dog Russia's troubled space industries, whose Soviet-era glory has faded in a series of launch failures.

Angara is built to replace the Soyuz, a workhorse of the Soviet and then Russian space program, designed more than four decades ago.

.........
"

This is their story for a 24 hour delay. Imagine if SpaceX, ULA, or orbital got that coverage? I could only imagine what it will be for a return to factory delay.  I suspect that the AP author wouldn't know the difference.

The story was written by Vladimir Isachenkov.  I'm not certain, but, based on the numerous stories he has posted, he appears to be based in Moscow.

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #125 on: 06/28/2014 05:14 pm »
The story was written by Vladimir Isachenkov.  I'm not certain, but, based on the numerous stories he has posted, he appears to be based in Moscow.
 - Ed Kyle
Chris should have a rule, no quoting alleged "journalists" from the press who are intentionally trolling publishing such rubbish.
Isachenkov usually seems to produce solid reports.  This one seems atypical. 

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Angara 3 replaces Soyuz ... somewhat ... roughly depending upon version

does it have funding? i thought only a1 and a5 are in development
a3 unmanned is developed with a5 because they are similar projects. a3 manned is not in development anymore. No launches of a3 are manifested at this time.

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #127 on: 06/28/2014 08:14 pm »
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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #128 on: 06/29/2014 09:58 pm »
NOTAMs published for July 1-2.

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P4422/14 - TEMPO DANGER AREA ACT WI COORD: 5843N 16024E-5823N 16106E-5724N 16205E- 5653N 16207E-5714N 16126E-5813N 16030E- 5843N 16024E. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0600-1130 1300-1730, 01 JUL 06:00 2014 UNTIL 02 JUL 17:30 2014. CREATED: 29 JUN 15:38 2014

P4421/14 - ATS RTE B240 SEGMENT TILICHIKI NDB (TK) - OKLED CLSD. SFC - UNL, DAILY 0600-1130 1300-1730, 01 JUL 06:00 2014 UNTIL 02 JUL 17:30 2014. CREATED: 29 JUN 15:10 2014
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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #129 on: 06/30/2014 06:07 am »
AZ also has an update on this:

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara1pp.html#0629

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On June 30, Russian authorities again issued a warning to pilots to avoid areas around the Kura impact range on the Kamchatka Peninsula, indicating that another launch attempt was scheduled for July 1 and July 2, 2014. Given the short time available for repairs, it could indicate that only basic checks would be done on the rocket and its flight control system could be just reprogrammed to ignore the problem with the valve

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #130 on: 06/30/2014 04:07 pm »
State committee decides to remove Angara rocket from launch pad

http://www.interfax.ru/383405 (in Russian)

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #131 on: 07/01/2014 04:22 am »
They are still planning a July launch:

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2502800

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start "Angara" under the most optimistic scenario, will be held in two weeks.

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #132 on: 07/01/2014 08:44 am »
They are still planning a July launch:

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2502800

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start "Angara" under the most optimistic scenario, will be held in two weeks.

This article seems to have  a lot of detailed information. Can one of NSF Russian speaking members post an English translation, please?

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« Reply #133 on: 07/03/2014 01:52 pm »
So what caused the scrub? The answer is, ahem, rather "SpaceX-ish"......  ::)

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara1pp.html#energomash
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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #134 on: 07/04/2014 02:30 pm »
So what caused the scrub? The answer is, ahem, rather "SpaceX-ish"......  ::) 

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara1pp.html#energomash

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The following inspection of the rocket confirmed that the oxidizer tank drainage valve had remained in open position and led to the loss of pressure, which had been detected by the flight control system shortly before liftoff. It was not immediately clear what caused the valve to stuck, but all oxidizer systems operate in the environment of the cryogenically cooled liquid oxygen and prone to freezing as a result.[/size]

Are ALL valves in the propulsion system designed to fail safe, and fail open? What's the default state of an unpowered drain valve? Open or closed?

Or was it, as is implied by the last sentence, a result of the cold temperature - perhaps some ice-formation due to unexpected humidity, or some nucleating impurity that was a mechanical impediment to the valve closure...?
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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #135 on: 07/04/2014 11:57 pm »
     First half-decent on-pad shot I've found, probably fuelling before the first attempt. 
Almost approaches being hi-res :)

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #136 on: 07/05/2014 02:57 am »
Next attempt is tentatively set to July 9th: http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/05/angara/
State commission meeting will be on July 5th which would review the readiness and confirm the launch date.

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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #137 on: 07/05/2014 04:36 pm »
So what caused the scrub? The answer is, ahem, rather "SpaceX-ish"......  ::) 

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara1pp.html#energomash

Quote from:  linked article
The following inspection of the rocket confirmed that the oxidizer tank drainage valve had remained in open position and led to the loss of pressure, which had been detected by the flight control system shortly before liftoff. It was not immediately clear what caused the valve to stuck, but all oxidizer systems operate in the environment of the cryogenically cooled liquid oxygen and prone to freezing as a result.[/size]

Are ALL valves in the propulsion system designed to fail safe, and fail open? What's the default state of an unpowered drain valve? Open or closed?

Or was it, as is implied by the last sentence, a result of the cold temperature - perhaps some ice-formation due to unexpected humidity, or some nucleating impurity that was a mechanical impediment to the valve closure...?

this reminds me very much of the frozen valves in CS  http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34853.msg1207929#msg1207929
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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #138 on: 07/05/2014 04:42 pm »
     First half-decent on-pad shot I've found, probably fuelling before the first attempt. 
Almost approaches being hi-res :)

Now that is a picture! Thanks for posting.  A very fine looking LV.
« Last Edit: 07/05/2014 04:42 pm by EE Scott »
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Re: SCRUB: Angara-1.2PP first launch - NET July 2014
« Reply #139 on: 07/05/2014 07:35 pm »
Next attempt is tentatively set to July 9th: http://lenta.ru/news/2014/07/05/angara/
State commission meeting will be on July 5th which would review the readiness and confirm the launch date.

Looks like they have confirmed July 9 as the date of the next attempt: http://www.interfax.ru/russia/384292
The rocket will be re-rolled-out on Monday: http://ria.ru/space/20140705/1014862404.html
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