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NASA FY 2015 Budget
« on: 03/04/2014 02:17 pm »
« Last Edit: 03/04/2014 03:30 pm by yg1968 »

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #1 on: 03/04/2014 02:32 pm »
If you guys can keep a good eye on this, it'll be appreciated. I'm busy with the day job for a good number of hours yet, but I'm pretty useless with these budgets until someone summarizes what it means for the main programs.

You guys always do a better job.

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #2 on: 03/04/2014 03:36 pm »
Budget documents have been posted:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #4 on: 03/04/2014 03:48 pm »
NASA Budget:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2015/assets/nsa.pdf

That's unfortunately a sales brochure for the budget, not the budget itself. It mentions a $17.5 billion top line budget but not the budget for individual directorates or programs. [Edit: the above is wrong. I confused the budget nsa.pdf with the sales brochure nasa.pdf.] IIRC from previous years the detailed budget will be posted on http://www.nasa.gov/news/budget/ at around the time of the 2 pm news conference.

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #5 on: 03/04/2014 03:55 pm »
I am not sure what you mean by sales brochure, it's a document that is part of the Budget. It's not as detailed as the NASA budget that will be released at 2 pm but it is still part of the budget.

In any event, here are some information from that Appendix.

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Provided further, That $696,000,000 shall be for commercial spaceflight activities, of which $171,000,000 shall be made available after the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration has certified that the commercial crew program has undergone an independent benefit-cost analysis that takes into consideration the total Federal investment in the commercial crew program and the expected operational life of the International Space Station as described in the explanatory statement described in section 4 (in the matter preceding division A of this consolidated Act):
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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #6 on: 03/04/2014 04:01 pm »
Those numbers seem copy pasted from the FY14 budget approved by Congress, not like Obama's budget.

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #7 on: 03/04/2014 04:05 pm »
I am not sure what you mean by sales brochure, it's a document that is part of the Budget. It's not as detailed as the NASA budget that will be released at 2 pm but it is still part of the budget.
Oops, the sales brochure I was referring to is at http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2015/assets/nasa.pdf . The URLs differ by only 1 character (nsa.pdf vs nasa.pdf).
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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #8 on: 03/04/2014 04:18 pm »
I am not sure what you mean by sales brochure, it's a document that is part of the Budget. It's not as detailed as the NASA budget that will be released at 2 pm but it is still part of the budget.
Oops, the sales brochure I was referring to is at http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2015/assets/nasa.pdf . The URLs differ by only 1 character (nsa.pdf vs nasa.pdf).

That fact sheet has some aditionnal information on commercial crew:

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The Opportunity, Growth, and Security Initiative provides an additional $250 million to speed development and certification of these systems.

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #9 on: 03/04/2014 04:19 pm »
Those numbers seem copy pasted from the FY14 budget approved by Congress, not like Obama's budget.

I admit that I am a bit confused by the document. Some stuff is in bracket as if it was still in draft form.
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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #10 on: 03/04/2014 04:21 pm »
The NASA budget will be posted on here by 1 pm EST, or about 40 minutes from now if my top of the head time converting is right.

I admit that I am a bit confused by the document. Some stuff is in bracket as if it was still in draft form.
So am I. It seems like they copied the budgets from the recent omnibus bill as placeholders and forgot to change it when they released it.

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #11 on: 03/04/2014 04:25 pm »
Those numbers seem copy pasted from the FY14 budget approved by Congress, not like Obama's budget.

The text in question is enclosed in brackets []. I'm guessing that text in brackets is the current FY2014 language, text in italics is the proposed FY2015 language, and other text is common to both.

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #12 on: 03/04/2014 04:37 pm »
First victim of the budget goes to...............




.................. SOFIA - apparently it will go into storage in FY2015.  ???

https://twitter.com/CaseyDreier/status/440900255219859456
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Chinese spaceflight is a cosmic riddle wrapped in a galactic mystery inside an orbital enigma... - (not) Winston Churchill

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #13 on: 03/04/2014 04:41 pm »
The NASA budget will be posted on here by 1 pm EST, or about 40 minutes from now if my top of the head time converting is right.

I admit that I am a bit confused by the document. Some stuff is in bracket as if it was still in draft form.
So am I. It seems like they copied the budgets from the recent omnibus bill as placeholders and forgot to change it when they released it.

Here is one section that has brackets around it:

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[  2015:Provided, That not less than $1,197,000,000 shallbe for the Orion Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle:
Provided further, That notless than $1,918,200,000 shall be for the Space Launch System, whichshall have a lift capability not less than 130 metric tons and which shall have an upper stage and other core elements developed simultaneously:Provided further , That of the funds made available for the Space Launch System, $1,600,000,000 shall be for launch vehicle development and $318,200,000 shall be for exploration ground systems: Provided further, That funds made available for the Orion Multi-Purpose Crew Vehicle and Space Launch System are in addition to funds provided for these programs under the "Construction and Environmental Compliance and Restoration'' heading: Provided further, That $696,000,000 shall be for commercial spaceflight activities, of which $171,000,000 shall be made available after the Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration has certified that the commercial crew program has un-dergone an independent benefit-cost analysis that takes into consideration the total Federal investment in the commercial crew program and the expected operational life of the International Space Station as described in the explanatory statement described in section 4 (in the matter preced-ing division A of this consolidated Act):Provided further, That$302,000,000 shall be for exploration research and development ]
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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #14 on: 03/04/2014 04:45 pm »
Yup. Those are exactly the same budget figures as from Congress. Would Obama propose 696 million for Com Crew, with a large part only after a study showing its usefulness? Seems fishy to me. I think we're going to get clearer figures within a few minutes.

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #15 on: 03/04/2014 04:48 pm »
If I add up the following FY15 numbers from nsa.pdf 4972+551+706+3976+89+2779+451+3905+38 I get 17467, which fits the $17.5 billion overall budget from the nasa.pdf sales brochure. I haven't added up the FY14 numbers from nsa.pdf but eyeballing it looks like they'd also add up to roughly the same amount (some are up, some are down), not the $16.8 billion FY14 amount mentioned in a previous thread. I wonder why this apparent discrepancy. Maybe the answer has something to do with how sequestration is accounted for?

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #16 on: 03/04/2014 04:50 pm »
If I add up the following FY15 numbers from nsa.pdf 4972+551+706+3976+89+2779+451+3905+38 I get 17467, which fits the $17.5 billion overall budget from the nasa.pdf sales brochure. I haven't added up the FY14 numbers from nsa.pdf but eyeballing it looks like they'd also add up to roughly the same amount (some are up, some are down), not the $16.8 billion FY14 amount mentioned in a previous thread. I wonder why this apparent discrepancy. Maybe the answer has something to do with how sequestration is accounted for?
The 16.8 billion was what the House proposed for FY14, and it accounted for sequestration. FY14's real budget is 17.6 billion.

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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #17 on: 03/04/2014 05:02 pm »
NASA Budget:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2015/assets/nsa.pdf

That's unfortunately a sales brochure for the budget, not the budget itself. It mentions a $17.5 billion top line budget but not the budget for individual directorates or programs. [Edit: the above is wrong. I confused the budget nsa.pdf with the sales brochure nasa.pdf.] IIRC from previous years the detailed budget will be posted on http://www.nasa.gov/news/budget/ at around the time of the 2 pm news conference.

More documents now posted. See:
http://www.nasa.gov/news/budget/
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Re: NASA FY 2015 Budget
« Reply #18 on: 03/04/2014 05:03 pm »
Neat video.


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