Author Topic: March 5, 2014 Hearing on National Security Space Launch Programs (Musk and Gass)  (Read 114663 times)

Offline bad_astra

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Musk: ULA should phase out the Atlas 5 and concentrate on Delta IV.
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Offline Chris Bergin

Musk saying ULA is a good track record, but the first Delta IV failed and another was partial. 

ULA doesn't need both rocket families. They should phase out the Atlas V.

Should look at Delta IV and Falcon going forward.

Offline mlindner

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Gass arguing from the past on why ELC (subsidy) is needed and claims its not a subsidy.
« Last Edit: 03/05/2014 02:37 pm by mlindner »
Internal combustion engine in space. It's just a Bad Idea.TM - Robotbeat

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Gass envies SpaceX's cargo contract?
"Contact Light" -Buzz Aldrin

Offline Chris Bergin

Gass fighting back!!

They don't get what they see as a subsidy. Then went off on a tangent it seems.
« Last Edit: 03/05/2014 02:38 pm by Chris Bergin »

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Gass questioning on what should be the qualification on when you stop accepting new companies into EELV. Claims there should be a limit.
Internal combustion engine in space. It's just a Bad Idea.TM - Robotbeat

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Did Gass really just ask how do you prevent competitors from coming in and wanting a piece of the market?

Offline Chris Bergin

Musk says when ULA formed as a merger of Boeing and LM, the costs doubled.

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If our rockets are good enough for NASA, why aren't they good enough for USAF? - Musk.

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I'm having a hard time telling whether Dr. Scott Pace is against competition or for it. He apparently just seems to want consistency across government.
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Offline Chris Bergin

Whoops. Costs on the rise chart:

Offline M129K

Whoops. Costs on the rise chart:
Some real shots fired there.

Offline Chris Bergin

USAF is working against competition, claim.

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Musk says certification is going well and no red flags.

Punches ULA again over two years of engines and a five year contract.

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I'm having a hard time telling whether Dr. Scott Pace is against competition or for it. He apparently just seems to want consistency across government.

He keeps talking about how complicated it is to change things.  Since change would hurt ULA and help SpaceX, I'd say he's effectively arguing for ULA.  He also directly undercut Musk's argument that NASA's willingness to use Falcons should mean that the USAF should be happy with Falcon.
« Last Edit: 03/05/2014 02:52 pm by Proponent »

Offline Chris Bergin

HA! Elon's face when Sen. Shelby started talking!

Offline Chris Bergin

Shelby going after Elon. Saying SpaceX will have to comply with cost insight like ULA, which they apparently don't.

Elon says they do already to NASA.

US Gov does not buy launch insurance, so there's more mission assurance costs. 50 percent more cost than commercial missions. But still is much cheaper than ULA.


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Musk: It may be wise for the A.F. to re-consider buying AtlasV's in light of the current international situation (assurance of U.S. access to space).

Offline Chris Bergin

Anyone want to photoshop Gass and Musk in boxing gloves? ;) Or Altas V and F9 in boxing gloves - I'm thinking Rocky 4! ;D
« Last Edit: 03/05/2014 02:55 pm by Chris Bergin »

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Elon said that SpaceX's costs would be 50% more (i.e., $90M instead of $60M) for DOD flights because of the addditional overhead imposed by DOD.
« Last Edit: 03/05/2014 02:58 pm by yg1968 »

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