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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #280 on: 06/17/2020 01:21 pm »
https://ria.ru/20200617/1573036061.html

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Rosatom estimates recovery of Sea Launch at 84 billion rubles

MOSCOW, June 17 - RIA News. The cost of restoring the Sea Launch complex to operability will amount to 84 billion rubles in 2020 prices, which exceeds the cost of its purchase by the S7 group in 2016 by almost eight times, according to Rosatom .
Given the projected inflation, the volume of required investments will amount to 91 billion rubles, according to Rosatom experts, compiled from data provided by Roskosmos that RIA Novosti has reviewed. At the same time, in 2016, the S7 group paid 150-160 million US dollars, or about ten to eleven billion rubles, at the current exchange rate for Sea Launch.

The materials do not specify for what purpose investments are required. However, it is known that the Sea Launch project has neither a rocket nor equipped for the operation of coastal infrastructure for the assembly and testing of rockets and spacecraft. In addition, all foreign equipment was removed from the Odyssey launch platform and the command ship in the United States : Boeing information and communications equipment and Ukrainian-made launch equipment for the Zenit rocket from Yuzhmash.
Earlier media reported that Rosatom was considering the acquisition of the Sea Launch complex, which had recently been relocated from the US to Russia. Currently, the owner of the complex is a group of companies S7.

According to RIA Novosti, Rosatom considers it inappropriate to buy Sea Launch due to the absence of such a need, the high competition in the launch services market created by SpaceX by  Ilona Mask , and a number of other reasons. At the same time, the press service of the corporation told the agency that the potential risks of the project were being studied and measures were being worked out to prevent them.
Sea Launch was created in 1995 for the operation of a sea-based rocket and space complex. In 2016, the S7 Group signed a contract with the Sea Launch group of companies (a subsidiary of RSC Energia), which provides for the purchase of the project's property complex.
In March 2020, with the approval of the US State Department, the complex was relocated to Russia. At the end of April, Vyacheslav Filev, chairman of the board of directors of S7 Group, told Kommersant in an interview that the Sea Launch was frozen until better times.
Around the same time, it became known that Roscosmos set a task for its enterprises to conduct an economic feasibility study for resuming the project - to estimate the costs of repairing a floating spaceport and creating a new Soyuz-7 rocket . At the same time, launches are planned from 2024.

I don't know about you guys, but to me it looks like both these ships will be ultimately heading to the scrap yard  :'(

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #281 on: 06/18/2020 07:46 am »
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4379358

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Rosatom lists the risks associated with the purchase of Sea Launch

Rosatom considers it inappropriate to purchase the Sea Launch complex, according to the materials of the state corporation, which RIA Novosti got acquainted with . Among the reasons - high competition in the launch services market, created by SpaceX Ilona Mask.

The materials list five risks associated with the purchase of the complex:

1) The absence of a significant need for ROSATOM for space launches;
2) Lack of competencies in Rosatom for attracting customers to launches;
3) The purchase of Sea Launch will lead to competition with another Russian state-owned corporation, Roskosmos;
4) Rosatom noted a decrease in the cost of launching launch vehicles in the commercial market in connection with the activities of SpaceX;
5) Rosatom noted the need to compensate for accumulated losses and debts under the Sea Launch project.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #282 on: 06/24/2020 11:31 pm »
You might not want to google Ilona Mask...

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #283 on: 06/25/2020 07:40 am »
You might not want to google Ilona Mask...
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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #284 on: 06/30/2020 05:08 am »
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1277617904670867456

Any idea what restrictions he is referring to? The 2 ships were already stripped of all the US made components.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #285 on: 06/30/2020 05:19 am »
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1277617904670867456

Any idea what restrictions he is referring to? The 2 ships were already stripped of all the US made components.
Probably any Ukrainian hardware and possibly any Norwegian hardware.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #286 on: 08/24/2020 05:50 pm »
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1297922617224175617

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Russia will restore the #SeaLaunch cosmodrome, said the Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov today at the Army-2020 forum. According to him, the preliminary calculations showed that the restoration will cost about 35 billion rubles (ca $450 million). ria.ru/20200824/15762…

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Russia will restore the #SeaLaunch cosmodrome, said the Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov today at the Army-2020 forum. According to him, the preliminary calculations showed that the restoration will cost about 35 billion rubles (ca $450 million). ria.ru/20200824/15762…

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1297926270941093890

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Yuri Borisov said, an assessment is being made of the possibility of using the Soyuz-5 rocket with Sea Launch complex, or modify the project of a rocket for this complex.

twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1297926903505051649

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He also believes that after the renovation, the launch complex could bring profit with 5 launches per year.

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1297927064637657088

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That is, in my opinion, we are ready to step on the rake again!

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #287 on: 08/26/2020 12:38 am »

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #289 on: 09/07/2020 10:46 pm »

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« Reply #290 on: 09/09/2020 07:59 pm »
https://twitter.com/Rogozin/status/1303400437022945281

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Manual @roscosmos Together with specialists from the industry and S7, we assessed the scope of work to ensure the readiness of the Odyssey floating offshore platform and the command vessel for the launch of the promising Soyuz-5 and Soyuz-6 missiles being developed at the Samara RCC Progress.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #291 on: 09/25/2020 06:00 pm »


Floating Cosmodrome Sea Launch 360 °

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #292 on: 11/11/2020 04:03 pm »
https://ria.ru/20201106/ivanov-1583342773.html

Alexander Ivanov, the member of the Military-Industrial Commission of Russia, gave an interview to RIA Novosti last week, in which he shared some news about Sea Launch.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #293 on: 11/12/2020 03:00 am »
Some interesting tidbits.

"When the Soyuz-5 requirements were in place, the goal was to ensure that the rocket was priced in line with the Falcon 9. Now colleagues from "Sea Launch" want to create a rocket even cheaper.
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We went to Slavyanka, appreciated. Shipbuilders went with us. In their opinion, the complex needs regular repairs worth 1-1.5 billion rubles.
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There were computational machines still on the bobbins. All this can now be replaced by a small computer. By that time the situation with the pandemic began to improve and Vladislav Felixovich talked not about the sale of the complex, but about the creation of a joint venture with the head role of S7. He bought the Ulyanovsk plant, where he intends to start production of the first stages of rockets. Plus, he has a development center near Domodedovo, where he gathered qualified specialists to develop technologies for the production of launch vehicle hulls and tanks.
Akin's Laws of Spacecraft Design #1:  Engineering is done with numbers.  Analysis without numbers is only an opinion.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #295 on: 12/30/2020 09:26 am »
A lot of posts about what "will" happen, but not so many about what is actually happening.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #296 on: 12/30/2020 05:16 pm »
A lot of posts about what "will" happen, but not so many about what is actually happening.
If I understand correctly, Russian only has future tense. They lack a conditional future tense and that might form a bit the way of talking. In Spanish be have a couple of conditional futures with two or three correct ways for each kind. So I find it very hard to translate.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #297 on: 12/31/2020 03:23 am »
A lot of posts about what "will" happen, but not so many about what is actually happening.

The main reason for delay is that the rocket Sea Launch used to launch is no longer in production. Russia first need to get the new rocket ready before doing anything with these 2 platforms.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #298 on: 12/31/2020 05:56 am »
A lot of posts about what "will" happen, but not so many about what is actually happening.

The main reason for delay is that the rocket Sea Launch used to launch is no longer in production. Russia first need to get the new rocket ready before doing anything with these 2 platforms.
Not entirely correct. The most recent ones were ordered by S7 before they were "barred" from accepting delivery of them even though paid for them (not final amount). It is a rocket that is without replacement engines and launch sites. It is per others that work continues at a slow place to train an incoming new young workforce and allow transfer of knowledge. They are retained by having them work on other rocket programmes such as Antares. They are also planning bench tests of Ukrainian replacement engines using Zenit stages. The ones including training versions have been requested to be returned to the factory from its Baikonur MIK.

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Re: Sea Launch Future
« Reply #299 on: 12/31/2020 08:22 am »
A lot of posts about what "will" happen, but not so many about what is actually happening.

The main reason for delay is that the rocket Sea Launch used to launch is no longer in production. Russia first need to get the new rocket ready before doing anything with these 2 platforms.
Not entirely correct. The most recent ones were ordered by S7 before they were "barred" from accepting delivery of them even though paid for them (not final amount). It is a rocket that is without replacement engines and launch sites. It is per others that work continues at a slow place to train an incoming new young workforce and allow transfer of knowledge. They are retained by having them work on other rocket programmes such as Antares. They are also planning bench tests of Ukrainian replacement engines using Zenit stages. The ones including training versions have been requested to be returned to the factory from its Baikonur MIK.
Bottom line is: Sea Launch could only launch Zenit, and Zenit is no longer available for launching, for whatever reason. Unless a new rocket capable of launching from Sea Launch becomes available, the 2 ships would remain where they are currently with nothing being done on them.

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