RE: The patch in the update thread...Is it just me, or is the S2 and faring lilly white and the S1 is a light shade of gray?(Denoting the fact that it is 'flight proven')
Quote from: NX-0 on 03/22/2017 10:51 amRE: The patch in the update thread...Is it just me, or is the S2 and faring lilly white and the S1 is a light shade of gray?(Denoting the fact that it is 'flight proven')Good eye. I was looking for (expecting?) something move obvious. Say, for example, a giant "2" emblazoned on the 1st stage, or a code in the star field alluding to the re-use. The gray tinge is more subtle than I expected.
Quote from: StarTracker on 03/22/2017 12:40 pmQuote from: NX-0 on 03/22/2017 10:51 amRE: The patch in the update thread...Is it just me, or is the S2 and faring lilly white and the S1 is a light shade of gray?(Denoting the fact that it is 'flight proven')Good eye. I was looking for (expecting?) something move obvious. Say, for example, a giant "2" emblazoned on the 1st stage, or a code in the star field alluding to the re-use. The gray tinge is more subtle than I expected.... and, to my eyes, the legs look white, like S2 and fairing. Does that mean they're new? Or am I pushing this one stage too far?
... and, to my eyes, the legs look white, like S2 and fairing. Does that mean they're new? Or am I pushing this one stage too far?
Per this update in the Atlas thread, OA-7 is now delayed "indefinitely". Can SpaceX move up to March 27th now?
Quote from: ChrisC on 03/22/2017 07:45 pmPer this update in the Atlas thread, OA-7 is now delayed "indefinitely". Can SpaceX move up to March 27th now?Gut feeling is no, they would have realigned everything to the new date, but asking.
Regarding the range team moving between launches, is SES-10 flying with auto-FTS or not?
Quote from: old_sellsword on 03/21/2017 06:37 pmQuote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 05:30 pmQuote from: old_sellsword on 03/21/2017 11:24 amQuote from: wardy89 on 03/21/2017 08:13 amQuote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 12:52 amThe AFTS is on the upper stage, isn't some version of it required for the core to fly back (or forward to the ASDS)?Is it not on both stages. If you listen to the stream i recall hearing a 1st stages AFTS safe call before the landing burn?There is definitely an FTS on both stages, so why wouldn't both be an AFTS?AIUI, the Flight 23 core still had the old "manual" FTS, the upper stage will feature the AFTS. I also understand that SES-10 will have an AFTS. So, was the F23 core upgraded to the AFTS, or will it still use the old FTS for the core landing part?1021-1 (CRS-8) definitely used manual FTS. However we have no reason to believe 1021-2 (SES-10) won't use AFTS, given they've had plenty of time to make it the primary system on that booster.As far as we know, EchoStar 23 (which used 1030-1) was the final manual FTS to fly on F9 on the east coast.I'm just saying that it might just have happened that the refurbishment of the core included, at least, the implementation of the new AFTS.
Quote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 05:30 pmQuote from: old_sellsword on 03/21/2017 11:24 amQuote from: wardy89 on 03/21/2017 08:13 amQuote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 12:52 amThe AFTS is on the upper stage, isn't some version of it required for the core to fly back (or forward to the ASDS)?Is it not on both stages. If you listen to the stream i recall hearing a 1st stages AFTS safe call before the landing burn?There is definitely an FTS on both stages, so why wouldn't both be an AFTS?AIUI, the Flight 23 core still had the old "manual" FTS, the upper stage will feature the AFTS. I also understand that SES-10 will have an AFTS. So, was the F23 core upgraded to the AFTS, or will it still use the old FTS for the core landing part?1021-1 (CRS-8) definitely used manual FTS. However we have no reason to believe 1021-2 (SES-10) won't use AFTS, given they've had plenty of time to make it the primary system on that booster.As far as we know, EchoStar 23 (which used 1030-1) was the final manual FTS to fly on F9 on the east coast.
Quote from: old_sellsword on 03/21/2017 11:24 amQuote from: wardy89 on 03/21/2017 08:13 amQuote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 12:52 amThe AFTS is on the upper stage, isn't some version of it required for the core to fly back (or forward to the ASDS)?Is it not on both stages. If you listen to the stream i recall hearing a 1st stages AFTS safe call before the landing burn?There is definitely an FTS on both stages, so why wouldn't both be an AFTS?AIUI, the Flight 23 core still had the old "manual" FTS, the upper stage will feature the AFTS. I also understand that SES-10 will have an AFTS. So, was the F23 core upgraded to the AFTS, or will it still use the old FTS for the core landing part?
Quote from: wardy89 on 03/21/2017 08:13 amQuote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 12:52 amThe AFTS is on the upper stage, isn't some version of it required for the core to fly back (or forward to the ASDS)?Is it not on both stages. If you listen to the stream i recall hearing a 1st stages AFTS safe call before the landing burn?There is definitely an FTS on both stages, so why wouldn't both be an AFTS?
Quote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 12:52 amThe AFTS is on the upper stage, isn't some version of it required for the core to fly back (or forward to the ASDS)?Is it not on both stages. If you listen to the stream i recall hearing a 1st stages AFTS safe call before the landing burn?
The AFTS is on the upper stage, isn't some version of it required for the core to fly back (or forward to the ASDS)?
Per the Air Force, the AFTS was tested on 13 flights in "shadow mode" prior to being activated for primary FTS on CRS-10. Ergo, assuming all those flights were on F9s, the booster for the SES-10 mission should already have all the necessary hardware/software in place for using AFTS. The upper stage which is new obviously does.The comment about the 13 previous missions was given by Gen. Monteith, 45th Space Wing Commander: http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2017/03/11/spacex-autonomous-flight-safety-system-afss-kennedy-space-center-florida-falcon9-rocket-air-force-military/98539952/
Quote from: dglow on 03/22/2017 08:13 pmRegarding the range team moving between launches, is SES-10 flying with auto-FTS or not?Previously discussed without solid confirmation either way, however it seems likely that it will.Quote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 06:51 pmQuote from: old_sellsword on 03/21/2017 06:37 pmQuote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 05:30 pmQuote from: old_sellsword on 03/21/2017 11:24 amQuote from: wardy89 on 03/21/2017 08:13 amQuote from: baldusi on 03/21/2017 12:52 amThe AFTS is on the upper stage, isn't some version of it required for the core to fly back (or forward to the ASDS)?Is it not on both stages. If you listen to the stream i recall hearing a 1st stages AFTS safe call before the landing burn?There is definitely an FTS on both stages, so why wouldn't both be an AFTS?AIUI, the Flight 23 core still had the old "manual" FTS, the upper stage will feature the AFTS. I also understand that SES-10 will have an AFTS. So, was the F23 core upgraded to the AFTS, or will it still use the old FTS for the core landing part?1021-1 (CRS-8) definitely used manual FTS. However we have no reason to believe 1021-2 (SES-10) won't use AFTS, given they've had plenty of time to make it the primary system on that booster.As far as we know, EchoStar 23 (which used 1030-1) was the final manual FTS to fly on F9 on the east coast.I'm just saying that it might just have happened that the refurbishment of the core included, at least, the implementation of the new AFTS.&Quote from: deruch on 03/22/2017 01:16 amPer the Air Force, the AFTS was tested on 13 flights in "shadow mode" prior to being activated for primary FTS on CRS-10. Ergo, assuming all those flights were on F9s, the booster for the SES-10 mission should already have all the necessary hardware/software in place for using AFTS. The upper stage which is new obviously does.The comment about the 13 previous missions was given by Gen. Monteith, 45th Space Wing Commander: http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2017/03/11/spacex-autonomous-flight-safety-system-afss-kennedy-space-center-florida-falcon9-rocket-air-force-military/98539952/
To move the static fire 3 days early to the 23rd...... today is the 21st. So they'd have two days to have it ready to roll out rather than the four they've planned on. I've never noted SpaceX to have things ready AHEAD of time. Otherwise there'd be a 2nd landing pad and 39A would have been ready for a Falcon by last fall (when indeed both were long overdue from original plan anyway). Just sayin'.
Quote from: ChrisC on 03/22/2017 07:45 pmPer this update in the Atlas thread, OA-7 is now delayed "indefinitely". Can SpaceX move up to March 27th now?What is the gain for SpaceX? Starting up a rocket for launch isn't like starting your car in the morning. No need to rush the process flow, just because you can.
The Eastern Range may not be the only organization that could eventually have problems with high launch rates, SpaceX still doesn't have an FAA license for SES-10 flight yet.
