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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #400 on: 10/14/2015 08:07 pm »
"We can basically say now we are riding first-class," said Garrett Skrobot, the Launch Services Program's mission lead for the Educational Launch of Nanosatellites, or ELaNa, program.

In other words, paying more to get to the same place.

Which is a completely reasonable thing to do for certain payloads. Otherwise USPS would have put DHL out of business a long time ago.
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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #401 on: 10/14/2015 11:22 pm »
Firefly Space Systems Selected for Venture Class Launches

Published on Oct 14, 2015
Firefly Space Systems, based in Cedar Park, Texas, is developing its Alpha vehicle that uses an aerospike first stage engine powered by refined kerosene and liquid oxygen. The rocket is tailored to payloads weighing about 880 pounds, which means it could launch a variety of CubeSats all at once or a single small satellite or a mix.

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #402 on: 10/14/2015 11:36 pm »
Impressive how quickly they've managed to progress.

Their CFO, Michael Blum, he wouldn't also happen to be moonlighting as a petrophysicist in Basra, would he?

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #403 on: 10/16/2015 04:12 pm »
Any word on when or if they will open a FL based location to support LC-39C operations?
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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #404 on: 10/16/2015 04:58 pm »
Tom Markusic (Firelfy CEO) will be participating in a session on "How To Settle Mars?".  It is tomorrow (17 Oct) at the New Worlds 2015 conference in Austin.  Use promotion code "texas2015" and get half off registration.
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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #405 on: 10/16/2015 05:28 pm »
"We can basically say now we are riding first-class," said Garrett Skrobot, the Launch Services Program's mission lead for the Educational Launch of Nanosatellites, or ELaNa, program.

In other words, paying more to get to the same place.
Ride share is like catching a bus while dedicated LV is like a taxi. The taxi costs more but delivers you door to door when you want.
The bus doesn't care if you are on board when it leaves. Once dropped off you will need to walk (propulsion) to your destination.

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #407 on: 10/19/2015 01:36 pm »
Firefly the uber of space
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/firefly-co-founder-firefly-uber-121820241.html

Interesting comparison, but for me it falls apart when you realize that Uber has transported people and Firefly still hasn't "transported" anything...
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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #408 on: 10/19/2015 08:28 pm »
Firefly the uber of space
http://finance.yahoo.com/video/firefly-co-founder-firefly-uber-121820241.html

Interesting comparison, but for me it falls apart when you realize that Uber has transported people and Firefly still hasn't "transported" anything...

keep in mind finance.yahoo, no bucks no buck rogers.
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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #409 on: 10/20/2015 12:38 am »
Has FFSS published any information on how they will pursue re-usability of its launch vehicles other than the Gamma lifting body design?

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #410 on: 10/21/2015 06:35 pm »
"We can basically say now we are riding first-class," said Garrett Skrobot, the Launch Services Program's mission lead for the Educational Launch of Nanosatellites, or ELaNa, program.

In other words, paying more to get to the same place.
Ride share is like catching a bus while dedicated LV is like a taxi. The taxi costs more but delivers you door to door when you want.
The bus doesn't care if you are on board when it leaves. Once dropped off you will need to walk (propulsion) to your destination.

Small satellites don't generally all have their own individual houses they need to go to.  There are a small number of orbits that cover the vast majority of places small satellites need to end up.

And the bus/taxi analogy also breaks down when you consider that the cost of either is a small portion of what most people spend each year.  For most small satellite makers $5 million is a huge portion of their budget, if not more than the budget.

The promise of small satellites is that they can cost far less then $1 million each.  That makes no sense if they have to pay $5 million for a launch.

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #411 on: 10/21/2015 07:20 pm »
Small satellites don't generally all have their own individual houses they need to go to.  There are a small number of orbits that cover the vast majority of places small satellites need to end up.

And the bus/taxi analogy also breaks down when you consider that the cost of either is a small portion of what most people spend each year.  For most small satellite makers $5 million is a huge portion of their budget, if not more than the budget.

The promise of small satellites is that they can cost far less then $1 million each.  That makes no sense if they have to pay $5 million for a launch.
That has been addressed several times in this and other threads. All the current frontrunners in this segment plan dedicated rideshare launches, not one launch per sat.
Which is a strong indication that the market doesnt care so much about custom orbits, but much more about responsive launch. Again, cubesat payloads can be iterated in months, but booking launches for them takes years right now.

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #412 on: 10/22/2015 03:20 am »
I've been trying to confirm this, but I think Firefly is moving faster from startup to bench test than SpaceX. 

I cannot find any info on the first SpaceX bench test of an engine.  Obviously SpaceX had a lot going on in the early days that was not really in the news (or on NSF).  Thought they were testing in Mojave before they made it to Kwajalein.
My notes say that SpaceX was formed in June 2002 and that the first Merlin testing took place at McGregor in March 2003.  I'm not sure what that testing entailed exactly.

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #413 on: 10/22/2015 05:42 pm »
There was a horizontal test stand and I recall seeing pictures of Merlin B (ablative) being tested on it. I can't find it on the SpaceX website any more. No Falcon 1 pictures either.

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #414 on: 10/22/2015 06:47 pm »
There was a horizontal test stand and I recall seeing pictures of Merlin B (ablative) being tested on it. I can't find it on the SpaceX website any more. No Falcon 1 pictures either.
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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #415 on: 10/22/2015 08:14 pm »
My notes say that SpaceX was formed in June 2002 and that the first Merlin testing took place at McGregor in March 2003.  I'm not sure what that testing entailed exactly.
In the context of Firefly and others small launcher startups claimed launch schedules, it may be worth noting SpaceX was predicting their first launch around the end of 2003 at that point.

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #416 on: 10/23/2015 06:07 am »
I've been trying to confirm this, but I think Firefly is moving faster from startup to bench test than SpaceX. 

I'd be cautious in congratulating Firefly for their pace too soon. Their prototype engine they have tested is far smaller than for example the Merlin is/was. And engine development time/expense seems to scale up with engine size. (perhaps even exponentially?) One way to view the Firefly Alpha is like a F9 scaled down to something F1 sized, so that tells you something about the engine difference.

But I'm certainly looking forward to seeing a full engine cluster of 12 engines firing on a test stand.  8)

BTW, for those curious - This is where their test area is: (google maps)
https://www.google.com/maps/@30.8791447,-97.9243948,943m/data=!3m1!1e3
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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #417 on: 10/23/2015 10:21 pm »
Yea it is pretty hard to find any news about SpaceX in the early days (2003).  Their website was scanned on the wayback machine.  Not a lot of content back then, just a single graphic and no public releases of news. 

Simply think at the early stages of a new business, Firefly SS is moving at a good clip.  Comparatively SpaceX must have been really going fast early on. 

I wish the NSF website had a way to search for the first SpaceX thread just for historical news sake.  I'd be interested if anything was being posted about bench tests and try to see more about the pace of development.  I certainly remember watching the first Falcon I launch.

Elon Musk took the Falcon 1 to Washington, back in the day. He had it parked on a trailer outside some major governmental institution or other, and IIRC was broadly ignored. Somewhere, I have the photographs... ...Google will have them, too!

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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #418 on: 10/24/2015 06:01 am »
To focus the thread back on Firefly, here are some hi-res images of their test facility that I got off twitter (my apologies if these have already been linked to in this thread):


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Re: Introducing Firefly Space Systems
« Reply #419 on: 10/24/2015 06:06 am »
Here is also a schematic view of the Alpha rocket (from the latest payload users giude), showing the latest view of the changes (after change to RP-1):
 - helium bottles now added (a single central mounted one for the upper stage?)
 - common bulkhead tanks for both stages
 - upper stage still not the same diameter as the lower stage
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