Maybe now I can get a break. Wait, what's that?.......Dragon what?
Maybe now I can get a break. ...Wait, what's that?.......Dragon what?
The first stage performed as expected, reaching 1.5 million pounds of thrust once in the vacuum of space.
QuoteThe first stage performed as expected, reaching 1.5 million pounds of thrust once in the vacuum of space.Interesting.
Quote from: dante2308 on 01/09/2014 11:30 pmQuoteThe first stage performed as expected, reaching 1.5 million pounds of thrust once in the vacuum of space.Interesting.1.5 million lbs thrust in vacuum = 681,818 kg thrust giving it an Isp of 315.3 seconds, or a higher mdot. 315.3 seconds is up from 311 seconds. Of course mdot has always been just a WAG based on posted thrusts and ISP so now we have one data point and only two unknowns instead of no data points and three unknowns.
Quote from: aero on 01/10/2014 12:09 amQuote from: dante2308 on 01/09/2014 11:30 pmQuoteThe first stage performed as expected, reaching 1.5 million pounds of thrust once in the vacuum of space.Interesting.1.5 million lbs thrust in vacuum = 681,818 kg thrust giving it an Isp of 315.3 seconds, or a higher mdot. 315.3 seconds is up from 311 seconds. Of course mdot has always been just a WAG based on posted thrusts and ISP so now we have one data point and only two unknowns instead of no data points and three unknowns. I would be careful with the number of significant digits. We are given two significant digits, which really is only enough to constrain Isp to the 310-320 seconds range.
1.5 million lbs thrust in vacuum = 681,818 kg thrust giving it an Isp of 315.3 seconds, or a higher mdot.
Quote from: Mongo62 on 01/10/2014 12:53 amQuote from: aero on 01/10/2014 12:09 amQuote from: dante2308 on 01/09/2014 11:30 pmQuoteThe first stage performed as expected, reaching 1.5 million pounds of thrust once in the vacuum of space.Interesting.1.5 million lbs thrust in vacuum = 681,818 kg thrust giving it an Isp of 315.3 seconds, or a higher mdot. 315.3 seconds is up from 311 seconds. Of course mdot has always been just a WAG based on posted thrusts and ISP so now we have one data point and only two unknowns instead of no data points and three unknowns. I would be careful with the number of significant digits. We are given two significant digits, which really is only enough to constrain Isp to the 310-320 seconds range.Well that's true. At 2 digits it's no news at all since numbers I've been using give 1,479,308 lbs of thrust for the F 9 stage 1 in vacuum. That rounds to 1.5 million lbs, too. And my simulation does give good answers for LEO missions using Isp = 311 seconds, so I suppose I should leave it at that.
Quote from: aero on 01/10/2014 04:06 amQuote from: Mongo62 on 01/10/2014 12:53 amQuote from: aero on 01/10/2014 12:09 amQuote from: dante2308 on 01/09/2014 11:30 pmQuoteThe first stage performed as expected, reaching 1.5 million pounds of thrust once in the vacuum of space.Interesting.1.5 million lbs thrust in vacuum = 681,818 kg thrust giving it an Isp of 315.3 seconds, or a higher mdot. 315.3 seconds is up from 311 seconds. Of course mdot has always been just a WAG based on posted thrusts and ISP so now we have one data point and only two unknowns instead of no data points and three unknowns. I would be careful with the number of significant digits. We are given two significant digits, which really is only enough to constrain Isp to the 310-320 seconds range.Well that's true. At 2 digits it's no news at all since numbers I've been using give 1,479,308 lbs of thrust for the F 9 stage 1 in vacuum. That rounds to 1.5 million lbs, too. And my simulation does give good answers for LEO missions using Isp = 311 seconds, so I suppose I should leave it at that.Technically, I think that stating the thrust reached 1.5 million lbs thrust should be taken to mean that the actual thrust was greater than or equal to 1.50000000000... million lbs. Of course, there is nothing to say that it was just loose speech, in which case this conclusion is erroneous.
http://www.spacex.com/news/2014/01/08/thaicom-6-mission-overview