This was one tough challenge and I'm not done with a solution, however here's a quick update after trying some alternative ways to model the RD-0162.With my standard approach of using braeunig's graphs for Methane/LOX rocket engines, I came up with 1.94 m diameter nozzle using 2.9/2.93 mixture ratio 358s isp Vac (100% throttle) and 324s Isp SL (133% throttle) (calc number 2), this is the answer to your question.However, intrigued by this I continued to unravel this mystery. In calculation number 3, I assume variable throat area, using this it's easy to find a solution where restrictions on nozzle diameter, thrust and sl/vac ISP is met. Googling seem to indicate there might be ways of achieving "variable throat area", however, it seems extremely difficult. In calculation number 4 i keep also the throat area constant (more realistic), however, this puts a limitation on the 100% thrust level @ 322 klbf (133% thrust fullfil the requirement of 449 klbs, so this might be plausible if all citations of "max/SL thrust are meaning the 133% thrust level) - which makes sence since this level likely will be used at lift-off and thus is of interest when designing the rocket. However, then I found this russian paper on the RD-0162 (РДО162) and using the translation feature in preview I could understand some of it. I also dug up various other references to specs and they all point to a 3.5:1 mixture ratio. In all my calculations, starting off from braeunig's graphs I have used ~2.9. Guesstimating what it should be for mixture ratio 3.5:1 I can model an engine which match all specs at 100, see calucation number 1.The specs my model, as is, would predict the following specs for RD-0162;Note; The correct chamber pressure and adiabatic flame temperature using mixture ratio 3.5:1 specified pressure, are not known. Guesstimates are used.РДО162 @ 100%РДО162 @ 133%Nozzle Diameter, m1.651.65Throat area, m^20.0692170.069217Chamber Pressure, Mpa17.123.4Chamber Temperature, K3940*4200*Thrust, SL, lbf449'000629'000Thrust, Vac, lbf497'000677'000Isp, SL, s321.9338.9Isp, Vac, s356.2364.7*) Chamber temperature, molar mass and specific heat are not known to me at mixture ratio 3.5:1 and given pressure, I'm looking into as next step using Cantera to understand what's going on when using this mixture ratio, since braeunig's graphs only goes to 2.9:1.In all examples given, the engine is very over expanded at 100% thrust @ 1atm ambient pressure (sea-level). In calculation 2 and 4 it seems to be below the limit of what's acceptable and must run at higher thrust than 100% at sea level. In almost all calculations, the 133% throttled engined with it's higher engine pressure, shows better SL and Vac ISP, even though it's under-expanded at SL. I believe the point of this engine is to operate mostly at 100% for reusability with reasonable Vac performance, while the 133% thrust-level is for initial lift-off to minimise gravity losses while keeping engine wear and tear as low as possible. It's also an interesting design consideration to make engine nozzles smaller than SpaceX currently do; trade thrust penalty from over expansion at sea level against gravity losses at higher altitudes (smaller nozzle => require throttle down w. higher gravity losses but better Isp @ Vac/low pressure).
However, intrigued by this I continued to unravel this mystery. In calculation number 3, I assume variable throat area, using this it's easy to find a solution where restrictions on nozzle diameter, thrust and sl/vac ISP is met. Googling seem to indicate there might be ways of achieving "variable throat area", however, it seems extremely difficult.
Quote from: Mongo62 on 12/17/2014 02:07 pmQuote from: hrissan on 12/17/2014 12:02 pmQuote from: savuporo on 12/17/2014 07:10 amQuote from: R7 on 12/16/2014 08:04 pmQuote from: Earendil on 12/16/2014 07:54 pmNo mention of other details.Exactly, so wondering where the dual-turbo comment came from.http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=4&cat=51#souzQuoteДвигатель содержит низкотемпературный двухконтурный газотурбинный тракт с двумя турбинами (окислительный газогенераторный контур и восстановительный безгенераторный контур).It is dual turbine.What is interesting: 2 turbines, the bigger one is driven by gas-generator, the smaller one by evaporating methane in cooling contour.It is not clear from description which turbine drives which pumps, but after reading this workhttp://www.dissercat.com/content/povyshenie-effektivnosti-sistemy-podachi-topliva-kislorodno-metanovogo-zhrd-s-dozhiganiem-voIt becomes apparent that bigger turbine drives both main pumps, and the smaller one drives inlet "booster" pumps.So not a FFSC engine?This engine is gas-gas. Full flow of methane must be evaporated in thick channels around main chamber (and flimsy tube you see around nozzle).So if you have all your methane vaporized already without additional gas generator, and you have even excess energy in it to run turbine for inlet pumps, why not? So you have an elegant solution, the engine may be very similar to kerosene engine family.Single main turbine running on oxygen-rich gas generator has both main pumps on single shaft, does it sound familiar? This also sounds lightweight.
Quote from: hrissan on 12/17/2014 12:02 pmQuote from: savuporo on 12/17/2014 07:10 amQuote from: R7 on 12/16/2014 08:04 pmQuote from: Earendil on 12/16/2014 07:54 pmNo mention of other details.Exactly, so wondering where the dual-turbo comment came from.http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=4&cat=51#souzQuoteДвигатель содержит низкотемпературный двухконтурный газотурбинный тракт с двумя турбинами (окислительный газогенераторный контур и восстановительный безгенераторный контур).It is dual turbine.What is interesting: 2 turbines, the bigger one is driven by gas-generator, the smaller one by evaporating methane in cooling contour.It is not clear from description which turbine drives which pumps, but after reading this workhttp://www.dissercat.com/content/povyshenie-effektivnosti-sistemy-podachi-topliva-kislorodno-metanovogo-zhrd-s-dozhiganiem-voIt becomes apparent that bigger turbine drives both main pumps, and the smaller one drives inlet "booster" pumps.So not a FFSC engine?
Quote from: savuporo on 12/17/2014 07:10 amQuote from: R7 on 12/16/2014 08:04 pmQuote from: Earendil on 12/16/2014 07:54 pmNo mention of other details.Exactly, so wondering where the dual-turbo comment came from.http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=4&cat=51#souzQuoteДвигатель содержит низкотемпературный двухконтурный газотурбинный тракт с двумя турбинами (окислительный газогенераторный контур и восстановительный безгенераторный контур).It is dual turbine.What is interesting: 2 turbines, the bigger one is driven by gas-generator, the smaller one by evaporating methane in cooling contour.It is not clear from description which turbine drives which pumps, but after reading this workhttp://www.dissercat.com/content/povyshenie-effektivnosti-sistemy-podachi-topliva-kislorodno-metanovogo-zhrd-s-dozhiganiem-voIt becomes apparent that bigger turbine drives both main pumps, and the smaller one drives inlet "booster" pumps.
Quote from: R7 on 12/16/2014 08:04 pmQuote from: Earendil on 12/16/2014 07:54 pmNo mention of other details.Exactly, so wondering where the dual-turbo comment came from.http://www.kbkha.ru/?p=4&cat=51#souzQuoteДвигатель содержит низкотемпературный двухконтурный газотурбинный тракт с двумя турбинами (окислительный газогенераторный контур и восстановительный безгенераторный контур).It is dual turbine.
Quote from: Earendil on 12/16/2014 07:54 pmNo mention of other details.Exactly, so wondering where the dual-turbo comment came from.
No mention of other details.
Двигатель содержит низкотемпературный двухконтурный газотурбинный тракт с двумя турбинами (окислительный газогенераторный контур и восстановительный безгенераторный контур).
H5:Two questions:What effect do you see the ruble crash having on this research?Do you believe they will use unrefined LNG rather than pure CH4?