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Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« on: 12/11/2013 04:43 AM »
Started a new topic since this is different from the Robonaut project. Current prototype is called Valkyrie-1. It's 188 cm (6'2") tall and has a weight of 130 kg (270 lb).



http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/military-robots/nasa-jsc-unveils-valkyrie-drc-robot
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #1 on: 12/11/2013 04:23 PM »
You probably want to change the subject to Darpa DRC then. There will be a lot of updates and news coming out in the next few weeks. All of it has very little to do with space however.
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #2 on: 12/11/2013 05:28 PM »
Very nice looking - do you have any pics of the jet fighter mode?

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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #3 on: 12/12/2013 03:07 AM »
Very cool!
Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #4 on: 12/12/2013 03:09 AM »
Jeff Bezos has billions to spend on rockets and can go at whatever pace he likes! Wow! What pace is he going at? Well... have you heard of Zeno's paradox?

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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #5 on: 12/12/2013 11:13 AM »
looks terribly slow.
Space is pretty much literally an astronomically-high hanging fruit.

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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #6 on: 12/12/2013 02:10 PM »
Another perspective: http://nasawatch.com/archives/2013/12/nasa-jsc-has-de.html
what........we knew that they were developing a robot for the DRC, what do they mean by secret? Attached is a earlier concept of theirs. It will be interesting to see what happens at the DRC this month. The other teams have some great designs too. 
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #7 on: 12/14/2013 11:34 PM »
If, your going to name it Valkyrie then maybe they should give it a more feminine figure.

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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #8 on: 12/14/2013 11:41 PM »
If, your going to name it Valkyrie then maybe they should give it a more feminine figure.

Did ya look at the pictures?

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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #9 on: 12/16/2013 06:29 AM »
How, quickly does it go through batteries?

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« Reply #10 on: 12/16/2013 06:33 AM »
2 kilowatts an hour not to shabby. What's the cycle rate and charge on those batteries though? They NIMH?

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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #11 on: 12/17/2013 11:44 AM »
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #12 on: 12/20/2013 04:19 PM »
Keep an eye on https://twitter.com/search?q=%23DARPADRC&src=hash today, DARPA DRC is ongoing, lots of videos popping up.
 
Links to livestreams here
http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/darpa-robotics-challenge-watch-it-live
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #13 on: 12/20/2013 09:12 PM »
Aaaand so far this amazing robot has scored a 0 ( zero ) http://www.theroboticschallenge.org/  JPL Robosimian has 2 points.

Japanese SCHAFTteam has 18 out of 20 maximum possible and MIT team has 12

Unclear how many attempts each team has had yet , and full day 2 ahead

Google recently acquired SCHAFT which has a long heritage of building similar utility robots in original Japanese government sponsored Humanoid Robot Project aka HRP, and others.
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #14 on: 12/20/2013 10:26 PM »
Some pictures from Twitter
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #15 on: 12/21/2013 08:08 PM »
Team standings almost at the end of second day now.

SCHAFT still with a big lead.

JPL has actually put themselves on the map. JSC .. no.

I think they made an unfortunate call to explicitly label their team JSC-NASA there. Anyone who has been watching the live cast has been looking at that zero now.
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #16 on: 12/21/2013 09:35 PM »
- Attempted to approach debris, immediately fell over. Essentially the same thing happened on the second attempt.

- Valkyrie very slowly walks towards the door and extends a closed hand towards the handle. Stares at it and proceeds to hit its head on the door. It continues to stare at the handle. Valkyrie than taps the center of the handle with a closed fist. With a still closed fist it continues to try to open the door. It opens the door! ...and proceeds to fall down.

On the second attempt it almost opens the door (also with a closed fist) but than has a seizure.


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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #17 on: 12/21/2013 10:19 PM »
Thats worse than i thought - i wasn't watching all attempts and mostly followed what SCHAFT, Thor and a few others were doing. I thought they had a major malfunction.
Getting a full zero because something fatally broke and you couldnt try any of the challenges is one thing, but trying and failing at every single thing is slightly embarrassing.

Its safe to say at this point that all Japanese SCHAFT team pretty much wiped the floor with competition.

Final scores:
27 Schaft
20 IHMC
18 Tartan
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #18 on: 12/21/2013 10:20 PM »
Getting a full zero because something fatally broke and you couldnt try any of the challenges is one thing, but trying and failing at every single thing is slightly embarrassing.
I don't think they attempted all the tasks.
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Re: Valkyrie (humanoid robot)
« Reply #19 on: 12/21/2013 10:58 PM »
Valkyrie looked the coolest, but tied for doing the worst. Sad.

These robots seem very slow. I don't think this is fundamental to being a robot, I think it's due to constraints of power source, motor/actuator specific power, and materials selected for these budget-constrained projects. As it stands right now, humanoid robots seem like a waste of time. If it's not fast, it's not really worth it. (Though I acknowledge that this is an attempt to use robots for things that are just far too unsafe for humans, making time less of a factor.) But I think this can be improved significantly. It'll take a lot of work, though.

The Boston dynamics robots, like their Cheetah, Petman, Big Dog, and LS3, are very agile, much more so when using tethered hydraulic power. But when independent, they are lumbering. They just look... Heavy. And a little drunk (though that's partly due to not really having eye-foot coordination). If someone put a power source with a much higher specific power in them, it would improve them tremendously. During the challenge, the humanoid robots look like they're several hundred pounds overweight, that they're doing all they can just to not topple over. Petman looks fairly agile with tethered power, but Atlas just looks awkward. (Although I must say that LS3 looks like it's actually fairly practical.)

I think this is an area where more funding could actually help a lot, getting the weight/toughness (or weight/strength) ratio down as low as possible and the specific power as high as possible with more responsive, lighter weight actuators.

...I think part of the reason for this is the need for a robust robot... Robots aren't currently intelligent enough to avoid twisting an ankle or breaking a leg by subtle adjustments and strategic footwork, so we way over-build everything because otherwise the robots would break all the time.
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