Why would you insist on aircraft-like operations in an environment so unsuited for it?People argue about HTOL vs VTOL SSTO's on Earth, but on Mars the debate gets a LOT more one sided. And if you want the aircraft to be basically a vertical take-off aircraft anyway, may I suggest that you just go ahead and make it a DC-X like vehicle to start with? In the thin atmosphere, wings are far less efficient.
Why would you insist on aircraft-like operations in an environment so unsuited for it?
QuoteWhy would you insist on aircraft-like operations in an environment so unsuited for it?Several reasons. A horizontal vehicle arrangement is more stable as well as being easier to load and unload. Because NASA has a proposed the used of martian gliders and other airborne probes I surmised that a Lifting-body or blended-wing design might provide a meaningful amount of lift while providing an excess amount of volume that I could fill with propellant. Likewise, spaceplanes are cool.
I seem to recall that flying on Mars is like flying at 100000 ft on Earth, so if you want a spaceplane you'll need a big wing going very fast, much too fast to be able take off or land at.
Quote from: lkm on 08/31/2013 07:35 pmI seem to recall that flying on Mars is like flying at 100000 ft on Earth, so if you want a spaceplane you'll need a big wing going very fast, much too fast to be able take off or land at.Yeah, similar to 100000 ft.But it seems you would have ground effect on Mars:"When an aircraft is flying at an altitude that is approximately at or below the same distance as the aircraft's wingspan or helicopter's rotor diameter, there is, depending on airfoil and aircraft design, an often noticeable ground effect. This is caused primarily by the ground interrupting the wingtip vortices and downwash behind the wing. When a wing is flown very close to the ground, wingtip vortices are unable to form effectively due to the obstruction of the ground. The result is lower induced drag, which increases the speed and lift of the aircraft."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_%28aircraft%29One could also have different airports on Mars than we have on Earth- one way they could be different is the airport could increase local air density for landings. Or instead of a concrete paving and wheels, it could be water, or ice and skies.
Quote from: lkm on 08/31/2013 07:35 pmI seem to recall that flying on Mars is like flying at 100000 ft on Earth, so if you want a spaceplane you'll need a big wing going very fast, much too fast to be able take off or land at.However, on Mars you require only 38% of Earth-equivalent lift, and atmospheric density is a bit higher than at Earth-equivalent pressure. On the other hand, the speed of sound is significantly lower on Mars, and temperature fluctuations create significant variance in atmospheric density. In short, air transport may be feasible for light payloads (and there are plenty of NASA studies that suggest such), but likely a significant challenge for what we would consider typical human or cargo transport.
The March 1990 issue of Analog has an article by Zubrin "Nuclear Rocketry Using Indigenous Propellants: The Key To The Solar System." Has a depiction of a Mars lander that looks like a streamlined Shuttle Orbiter capable of vertical landing.