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#480
by
Sean Lynch
on 11 Jun, 2014 20:58
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Thank you AnalogMan!
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#481
by
savuporo
on 12 Jun, 2014 18:46
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At least Orbital might now be able to obtain RD-180s if they still want to
FTC inquiry into ULA venture closed; Orbital might access RD-180 engines“The pattern is clear,” Orbital noted in the lawsuit, pointing out that every time that Orbital threatened to compete with ULA, it extended the “exclusivity agreement” to stop Orbital’s access to the RD-180.
Orbital’s attorney Eugene Norman Hansen with Fried Frank Harris Shriver and Jacobson of Washington D.C. did not respond to a request for comment, regarding the parties’ agreement to the lawsuit’s dismissal.
Rye noted that, “if a mutually agreeable resolution is not reached, Orbital will have the option to refile its lawsuit.”
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#482
by
TrevorMonty
on 12 Jun, 2014 23:10
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If ULA hadn't blocked Orbitals access to RD180, Orbital would have now started designing a new LV based on RD180. With recent events Orbital would now have been considering whether to proceed with this new LV.
Looks like ULA actions may have done Orbital a favour.
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#483
by
MP99
on 13 Jun, 2014 09:41
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At least Orbital might now be able to obtain RD-180s if they still want to
FTC inquiry into ULA venture closed; Orbital might access RD-180 engines
“The pattern is clear,” Orbital noted in the lawsuit, pointing out that every time that Orbital threatened to compete with ULA, it extended the “exclusivity agreement” to stop Orbital’s access to the RD-180.
Orbital’s attorney Eugene Norman Hansen with Fried Frank Harris Shriver and Jacobson of Washington D.C. did not respond to a request for comment, regarding the parties’ agreement to the lawsuit’s dismissal.
Rye noted that, “if a mutually agreeable resolution is not reached, Orbital will have the option to refile its lawsuit.”
Wow, this was new to me from the article:-
Orbital maintained that although RD Amross had been agreeable to selling the engines in the mid to late 1990s, it had reneged after ULA intervened and Orbital did not agree to use ULA’s first stage booster in Antares. “The ULA first-stage booster offering only had value to ULA, as it effectively precluded Orbital from becoming an independent viable competitor in the Medium-Class Space Launch Systems and Services Market,” Orbital’s lawsuit states.
cheers, Martin
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#484
by
edkyle99
on 13 Jun, 2014 13:23
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Wow, this was new to me from the article:-
Orbital maintained that although RD Amross had been agreeable to selling the engines in the mid to late 1990s, it had reneged after ULA intervened and Orbital did not agree to use ULA’s first stage booster in Antares. “The ULA first-stage booster offering only had value to ULA, as it effectively precluded Orbital from becoming an independent viable competitor in the Medium-Class Space Launch Systems and Services Market,” Orbital’s lawsuit states.
cheers, Martin
That would have created something like the "EELV Lite" that was in the original plans. I assume this would have been an Atlas 5 CCB. I wonder if Lockheed Martin (or ULA's) idea was to launch it from LC 41.
- Ed Kyle
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#485
by
Linze
on 13 Jun, 2014 23:50
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If ULA hadn't blocked Orbitals access to RD180, Orbital would have now started designing a new LV based on RD180. With recent events Orbital would now have been considering whether to proceed with this new LV.
Looks like ULA actions may have done Orbital a favour.
Fully agree, with ULA's help, Orbital has dodged a bullet. Now that Russia's sending tanks into Ukraine proper, any chances of RD-180 shipments would seem to be further diminished.
http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-ukraine-tanks-war-putin-obama-2014-6
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#486
by
Jim
on 14 Jun, 2014 02:47
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Now that Russia's sending tanks into Ukraine proper, any chances of RD-180 shipments would seem to be further diminished.
Still pushing your unsubstantiated agenda. The chances have not "diminished", much less "further".
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#487
by
Linze
on 14 Jun, 2014 06:32
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Now that Russia's sending tanks into Ukraine proper, any chances of RD-180 shipments would seem to be further diminished.
Still pushing your unsubstantiated agenda. The chances have not "diminished", much less "further".
Not an agenda. It's facts on the ground that have already had direct effects on this issue. Facts that have significantly escalated in the past two days.
When I look out the window and see a storm raging, I tend to wonder about the motivation of those who deny the storm could ever do any damage. Storms don't do less damage when they're ignored.
Oh, and the Russians just shot down a IL-76.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27845313
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#488
by
sdsds
on 14 Jun, 2014 22:08
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#489
by
newpylong
on 16 Jun, 2014 13:14
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Now that Russia's sending tanks into Ukraine proper, any chances of RD-180 shipments would seem to be further diminished.
Still pushing your unsubstantiated agenda. The chances have not "diminished", much less "further".
Not an agenda. It's facts on the ground that have already had direct effects on this issue. Facts that have significantly escalated in the past two days.
When I look out the window and see a storm raging, I tend to wonder about the motivation of those who deny the storm could ever do any damage. Storms don't do less damage when they're ignored.
Oh, and the Russians just shot down a IL-76. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27845313
What does any of this have to do with the RD-180?
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#490
by
Skyrocket
on 16 Jun, 2014 13:31
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How many engines are to be in the next delivery?
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#491
by
edkyle99
on 16 Jun, 2014 19:00
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How many engines are to be in the next delivery?
This report
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/204316-contractor-speeds-up-deliveries-of-russian-enginessaid:
"United Launch Alliance said Thursday it is speeding up its schedule for receiving Russian-made engines, from once a year to twice per year.
ULA received one shipment of four engines last November, but this year will receive shipments of two engines in August and three engines in October. "
August will be interesting.
- Ed Kyle
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#492
by
kevin-rf
on 16 Jun, 2014 19:32
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The Engines of August...
...reminds me of a book title
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#493
by
Sean Lynch
on 16 Jun, 2014 20:40
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Is there actually a binding agreement with Russia that RD-180s cannot be used for military purposes?
Under the existing EELV block buy contract who eats the additional cost for substituting Delta IVs for Atlas Vs and how much would that amount to?
kevin-rf; "The Engines of August" followed by "The Hunt for Red November"
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#494
by
WHAP
on 16 Jun, 2014 21:52
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How many engines are to be in the next delivery?
This report
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/204316-contractor-speeds-up-deliveries-of-russian-engines
said:
"United Launch Alliance said Thursday it is speeding up its schedule for receiving Russian-made engines, from once a year to twice per year.
ULA received one shipment of four engines last November, but this year will receive shipments of two engines in August and three engines in October. "
August will be interesting.
- Ed Kyle
Why? A plane will fly from Moscow to Hunstville and deliver two engines. I can't imagine that it will be that interesting. Certainly no more interesting than the forum speculation about whether or not there would be Russians supporting the last Atlas launch, or whether that launch would be allowed to proceed, etc., etc. Turned out to be pretty boring, if you ask me.
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#495
by
baldusi
on 16 Jun, 2014 22:01
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Atlas V is flying more missions per year than the engines they are buying?
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#496
by
edkyle99
on 17 Jun, 2014 00:24
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Why? A plane will fly from Moscow to Hunstville and deliver two engines. I can't imagine that it will be that interesting. Certainly no more interesting than the forum speculation about whether or not there would be Russians supporting the last Atlas launch, or whether that launch would be allowed to proceed, etc., etc. Turned out to be pretty boring, if you ask me.
I fully expect that what you describe will happen. The interesting part will be how the media and others who've been highlighting the RD-180 "boycott" will present the story. I hope that the result will be clarification for everyone.
- Ed Kyle
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#497
by
WHAP
on 17 Jun, 2014 04:10
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Why? A plane will fly from Moscow to Hunstville and deliver two engines. I can't imagine that it will be that interesting. Certainly no more interesting than the forum speculation about whether or not there would be Russians supporting the last Atlas launch, or whether that launch would be allowed to proceed, etc., etc. Turned out to be pretty boring, if you ask me.
I fully expect that what you describe will happen. The interesting part will be how the media and others who've been highlighting the RD-180 "boycott" will present the story. I hope that the result will be clarification for everyone.
- Ed Kyle
The "media" will present whatever attracts attention. If the situation remains stable (i.e., no additional escalation of non-rocket related events), I doubt this will make it to the media's radar. There was a lot of discussion on this forum about the potential issues for the last Atlas launch, none of which showed up in the mainstream media, and even faded fast as launch approached.
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#498
by
Linze
on 17 Jun, 2014 20:27
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Why? A plane will fly from Moscow to Hunstville and deliver two engines. I can't imagine that it will be that interesting. Certainly no more interesting than the forum speculation about whether or not there would be Russians supporting the last Atlas launch, or whether that launch would be allowed to proceed, etc., etc. Turned out to be pretty boring, if you ask me.
I fully expect that what you describe will happen. The interesting part will be how the media and others who've been highlighting the RD-180 "boycott" will present the story. I hope that the result will be clarification for everyone.
- Ed Kyle
And if it doesn't happen as you describe? If the embargo lasts past the August shipment date that's been posited? What then?
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#499
by
sdsds
on 17 Jun, 2014 20:51
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A plane will fly from Moscow to Hunstville and deliver two engines.
Huntsville? Is that really the point of delivery for the engines? Any idea why?