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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : NET 2021
« Reply #60 on: 09/22/2021 06:03 am »
Could this launch with CSG 2, which is scheduled for NET November 18? CSG 1 is in 630 km SSO.

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USN LEOP support for Cosmo-SkyMed2 from Alaska

By this application, SSC Space US, Inc. dba Universal Space Network
(collectively, "USN"),1 a Delaware Corporation, seeks FCC approval to support
the Cosmo-SkyMed2 (CSG-2) LEOP.  CSG-2 is the second generation earth
observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union.   
CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no
earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.


https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03013
filed August 2, 2021
This application was filed August 2, 2021, by that time IXPE mission was on schedule - NET November 17th, 2021. I presume that this payload was binded to IXPE.

But CSG-2 is going to SSO, while IXPE is launching from 39A and I don't think SpaceX can do polar trajectories from KSC, only from SLC-40.

IXPE is going to a 0° equatorial orbit - so a launch with CSG-2 can be ruled out.

We can ask PM3 klod but it may be that by “binded to IXPE” he meant “paced by IXPE”. (oops)
As in launching afterwards
As in NET 1 day after NET Nov 17
It was a wild guess. However, I am concerned about the compatibility of the missions, because the telescope has only mass of 300 kg, and the second payload - 2k. Falcon 9 should cope. In any case, this cannot be verified in practice. I found out that IXPE is a dedicated science mission, so no rideshare.
As for this mission, its launch is planned from California, so I don't see any options for combining it with CSG-2.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : NET 2021
« Reply #61 on: 09/22/2021 12:10 pm »
As there is no sign of it on Vandenberg launch schedules or https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

At what point (if ever) do we start to take

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Nevertheless, in 2022 German military police will fly to Cap Canaveral to send off the Sarah satellites from there.
from
https://www.handelsblatt.com/technik/forschung-innovation/raumfahrt-wie-europa-seine-zukunft-im-all-vertroedelt/26632062.html?ticket=ST-82203-tyBSn9bwbl9JvAR9dnmq-ap5

more seriously re date and launch site?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : 2022
« Reply #62 on: 09/22/2021 04:58 pm »
As there is no sign of it on Vandenberg launch schedules or https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

At what point (if ever) do we start to take

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Nevertheless, in 2022 German military police will fly to Cap Canaveral to send off the Sarah satellites from there.
from
https://www.handelsblatt.com/technik/forschung-innovation/raumfahrt-wie-europa-seine-zukunft-im-all-vertroedelt/26632062.html?ticket=ST-82203-tyBSn9bwbl9JvAR9dnmq-ap5

more seriously re date and launch site?

It is already listed as 2022 in the Manifest Updates thread.
« Last Edit: 09/22/2021 07:17 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : 2022
« Reply #63 on: 10/05/2021 06:40 am »
Another reference to SARah was published on September 17th by the Bundestag.

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Welche Probleme und Schwierigkeiten gibt es mit dem Satellitensystem der Bundeswehr vom Typ SARah?

In der Realisierungsphase des Satellitensystems SARah traten diverse Verzögerungen auf. Zum einen waren Bundeswehr-interne und Bundeswehr-externe Vorgaben zur Informationssicherheit nach Vertragsschluss nachträglich zu berücksichtigen. Zudem mussten durch den Auftragnehmer zu vertretende techniDeutscher Bundestag – 19. Wahlperiode – 13 – Drucksache 19/32496 Vorabfassung - wird durch die lektorierte Version ersetzt. sche Unzulänglichkeiten im Boden-/Raumsegment ausgeräumt werden. Zusätzliche Verzögerungen sind Pandemie-bedingten Auswirkungen zuzuschreiben.

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What problems and difficulties are there with the SARah satellite system of the Bundeswehr?

Various delays occurred in the implementation phase of the SARah satellite system. On the one hand, internal and external information security requirements had to be taken into account after the contract was signed. In addition, techniDeutscher Bundestag - 19th electoral period - 13 - Printed matter 19/32496 preliminary drafting - will be replaced by the edited version. cal inadequacies in the floor / space segment are eliminated. Additional delays are due to pandemic-related effects.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : 2022
« Reply #64 on: 10/07/2021 06:18 am »
Another reference to SARah was published on September 17th by the Bundestag.

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Welche Probleme und Schwierigkeiten gibt es mit dem Satellitensystem der Bundeswehr vom Typ SARah?

In der Realisierungsphase des Satellitensystems SARah traten diverse Verzögerungen auf. Zum einen waren Bundeswehr-interne und Bundeswehr-externe Vorgaben zur Informationssicherheit nach Vertragsschluss nachträglich zu berücksichtigen. Zudem mussten durch den Auftragnehmer zu vertretende technische Unzulänglichkeiten im Boden-/Raumsegment ausgeräumt werden. Zusätzliche Verzögerungen sind Pandemie-bedingten Auswirkungen zuzuschreiben.

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What problems and difficulties are there with the SARah satellite system of the Bundeswehr?

Various delays occurred in the implementation phase of the SARah satellite system. On the one hand, internal and external information security requirements had to be taken into account after the contract was signed. In addition, technical inadequacies in the floor / space segment had to be eliminated by the contractor. Additional delays are due to pandemic-related effects.

fixed the quotes - got messed up by the page header - and fixed translation
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : 2022
« Reply #65 on: 10/10/2021 09:35 pm »
As of July 2021:

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drei Nachfolge-Satelliten namens SARah zum Preis von rund 800 Millionen Euro und mit deutlich besseren Fähigkeiten sind bereits gebaut und sollen 2022 aus den USA ins All geschossen werden

https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article232475291/Bundeswehr-Fuer-den-Weltraum-Einsatz-verkuendet-AKK-eine-Maxime.html

"three successor satellites named SARah with a price tag of about 800 million Euros and with significantly better capabilities have already been built and are to be shot to space in 2022 from the USA."
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : 2022
« Reply #66 on: 11/11/2021 02:55 pm »
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/1458750531309027328
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.@OHB_SE: Q3 results show value of services-focused Digital division; we invested $25M in MEO data-relay startup #SpaceLink for expected long-term financial return. 3 SARah radar sats for @BaainBw to launch w/ @SpaceX in 2022. https://bit.ly/3qoFNrz

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : 2022
« Reply #67 on: 12/12/2021 12:39 pm »
Next Spaceflight is showing NET April 2022 for this launch.

Does anyone know what that's based on? I think we've only heard "2022" recently, nothing more specific.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : 2022
« Reply #68 on: 02/26/2022 01:24 pm »
Wild theory time. I wonder if there is any chance SARah 1 has been moved to the Transporter-4 mission. Some arguments in favor:

- It's been known for years now SARah 1 would be launching with some rideshare payloads
- Compared to previous missions, Transporter-4 manifest seems fairly light on payloads so far (although I'm sure more will be announced over the next few weeks) which might indicate a heavier payload being on board
- The expected launch dates for both SARah 1 and Transporter-4 currently line up (although I'm still not sure where did the April launch date for SARah come from)

Circumstantial, I know. :)

Alternatively, it's possible they're indeed separate launches. That could also mean that some of the payloads we assumed were for T-4 are actually SARah rideshares due to the similar launch timeframe. Meaning, we've assumed that "April SpaceX launch" meant T-4, but maybe it was actually SARah 1 in some cases?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : mid 2022
« Reply #69 on: 03/28/2022 05:24 am »
Wild theory time.
No.  But, EnMAP is a Transporter-4 payload.

Next Spaceflight is showing NET April 2022 for this launch.

Does anyone know what that's based on? I think we've only heard "2022" recently, nothing more specific.
Now NET May 2022.  I don't know when the listing was updated.

However, SFN Launch Schedule update, March 25 (one of many):
SARah 1 launches in mid 2022 from Vandenberg SLC-4E.

Could it be a rideshare on Transporter-5?  (June 1 launch from Vandenberg)
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : mid 2022
« Reply #70 on: 03/28/2022 01:35 pm »
When Next Spaceflight has something like NET May it often means "we know it's gonna launch some day, have no idea when, but it doesn't seem to be launching in April".

Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : mid 2022
« Reply #71 on: 03/28/2022 09:24 pm »
When Next Spaceflight has something like NET May it often means "we know it's gonna launch some day, have no idea when, but it doesn't seem to be launching in April".

This is correct.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : mid 2022
« Reply #72 on: 04/08/2022 01:02 am »
Could it be a rideshare on Transporter-5?  (June 1 launch from Vandenberg)

No.  Transporter-5 is a Canaveral SLC-40 launch, March 31 update, April 1 article.
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With SpaceX’s rideshare launch business booming, the launch of Transporter 5 is just two months from today.

Transporter 5 was originally slated to launch from Vandenberg, but has recently been moved back to Cape Canaveral.

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1509975618871570437
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : 2022
« Reply #73 on: 04/23/2022 11:25 am »
Cross-post:
Is SARah finally showing up?  This mission number is pretty old.

0782-EX-ST-2022  Mission 1365, Vandy, no ASDS listed
NET June [3]
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : NET June 2022
« Reply #74 on: 04/23/2022 12:51 pm »
Next Spaceflight is showing NET June 2022 for this launch, first stage landing at LZ-4.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : NET June 2022
« Reply #75 on: 04/25/2022 03:27 pm »
Do we know an approximate LTDN or LTAN for the Sun-synchronous orbit?

LTDN/LTAN = Local Time Descending/Ascending Node
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : NET June 2022
« Reply #76 on: 05/01/2022 05:40 pm »
The first SARah satellite should be arriving soon at Vandenberg, if launch is to be in early June.

Also, cross-posted:
Next launch from Vandy after 4-13 is SARah-1, there's not any Starlink in between.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : NET June 2022
« Reply #77 on: 05/10/2022 06:31 pm »
Any thoughts on if this will be a return to land for landing? Trying to plan a trip so see that. The next possible mission would be SDA Tranche 0. Thanks!

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : NET June 2022
« Reply #78 on: 05/10/2022 06:37 pm »
Any thoughts on if this will be a return to land for landing? Trying to plan a trip so see that. The next possible mission would be SDA Tranche 0. Thanks!

I wouldn't expect SDA flights to be RTLS.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : NET June 2022
« Reply #79 on: 05/12/2022 04:42 pm »
First stage 1063.5 is intended for the May 13 launch of Starlink 4-13.

I suspect that 1071.3, the other Falcon 9 first stage at Vandenberg, is intended for this launch.

I also suspect that there will be no Static Fire before a launch using either 1071.3 or 1063.6, unless the customer chooses to pay for one.

The launch vehicle, with payload stacked, will roll to the pad, for the first and only time, a day or less before liftoff.

Edit May 20: It's 1071.3.
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