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SpaceX Falcon 9 : SARah 1 : Vandenberg : 18 June 2022 (14:19 UTC)
by
Chris Bergin
on 08 Aug, 2013 17:47
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by
Chris Bergin
on 08 Aug, 2013 19:46
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SPACEX IS AWARDED LAUNCH OF GERMAN RADAR RECONNAISSANCE SATELLITE SYSTEM
Falcon 9 rocket will deliver three-satellite SARah Constellation that will serve German Ministry of Defense
Hawthorne, CA – Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) will provide the launch services for Germany’s second-generation radar reconnaissance satellite system. The satellites, provided by OHB System AG and Astrium GmbH, will replace the current constellation and will be delivered to orbit by two Falcon 9 rockets in 2018 and 2019.
"SpaceX looks forward to working with OHB and Astrium, and we appreciate their confidence in SpaceX to reliably deliver these satellites to orbit,” said Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX President and COO. “These missions are very meaningful for SpaceX as the first contracted for a European government.”
OHB will build two passive-antenna synthetic aperture radar (SAR) satellites, and Astrium GmbH will build a larger, phased-array-antenna satellite under contract for OHB. The three-satellite constellation will replace the current OHB-built five-satellite SAR-Lupe constellation.
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#2
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kevin-rf
on 08 Aug, 2013 21:00
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Wait is this different from Canada's RCM contract for Radar Sats?
Okay, awake now... time to find some black coffee or something. Looks like someone has a polar launcher that is competitive to nail all these polar contracts (SARah,RCM,Iridium).
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#3
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Lars_J
on 08 Aug, 2013 21:19
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Ah, polar, so these will launch out of VAFB, then. Right?
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#4
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kevin-rf
on 08 Aug, 2013 22:05
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#5
by
Ronsmytheiii
on 08 Aug, 2013 23:12
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This is kind of a big deal, Europe usually goes with Ariane 5 or Soyuz. Of course SpaceX needs to keep the contracts it has by getting Falcon 9 flying those commercial payloads.
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#6
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Zed_Noir
on 09 Aug, 2013 00:17
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Wait is this different from Canada's RCM contract for Radar Sats?
Okay, awake now... time to find some black coffee or something. Looks like someone has a polar launcher that is competitive to nail all these polar contracts (SARah,RCM,Iridium).
Just of curiosity, what are the other launch vehicle options available for polar orbit missions currently? Excluding the Delta IV and the the Atlas V.
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#7
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pippin
on 09 Aug, 2013 00:47
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This is kind of a big deal, Europe usually goes with Ariane 5 or Soyuz. Of course SpaceX needs to keep the contracts it has by getting Falcon 9 flying those commercial payloads.
The first SAR-Lupe constellation was launched on Kosmos-3M's. The sats are way too small for an Ariane 5.
Vega would be an option but I don't know the size of the new sats, if they only launch two of them at a time on an F9 they might be bigger than the old ones but they are still probably only like a ton or so to SSO, nothing you'd want to use an Ariane 5 or even a single Soyuz for.
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#8
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kevin-rf
on 09 Aug, 2013 01:40
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Delta II
Athena is being marketed again
Taurus
Taurus II Antares
Pegasus
Minotaur is not applicable since it is DOD only
And that is just the US providers
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#9
by
baldusi
on 09 Aug, 2013 02:20
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Well, Vega has a 2.6m fairing, while Soyuz-STB has a 4.1m x 11m (internally 3.7m x 5.3m and then tapers ) versus the Falcon 9's 5.2m x 13m (4.6m x 6.6 and then tapers). May be they were volume limited?
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#10
by
beancounter
on 09 Aug, 2013 02:54
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I wonder who else bid on it if anyone? But regardless, just another feather for SpaceX to add to their cap.
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#11
by
Zed_Noir
on 09 Aug, 2013 03:16
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This is kind of a big deal, Europe usually goes with Ariane 5 or Soyuz. Of course SpaceX needs to keep the contracts it has by getting Falcon 9 flying those commercial payloads.
The first SAR-Lupe constellation was launched on Kosmos-3M's. The sats are way too small for an Ariane 5.
Vega would be an option but I don't know the size of the new sats, if they only launch two of them at a time on an F9 they might be bigger than the old ones but they are still probably only like a ton or so to SSO, nothing you'd want to use an Ariane 5 or even a single Soyuz for.
The new active OHB SARah phased-array-antenna satellite is supposedly a variant of the TerraSAR-X satellite according to SpaceNews. The TerraSAR-X is about 1250 kg.
http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/36091ohb-signs-contract-for-germany%E2%80%99s-next-gen-radar-satellites
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#12
by
fatjohn1408
on 18 Sep, 2013 07:52
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#13
by
IRobot
on 18 Sep, 2013 08:34
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I read it 2 F9 launches to replace 3 F1 launches. Still, they won't make a profit, unless they reuse first stages.
On the other hand you have to ask how much money would SpaceX spend to keep F1 active?
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#14
by
CuddlyRocket
on 18 Sep, 2013 09:24
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Lots of performance margin on these flights. Good opportunity to get some testing in.
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#15
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smoliarm
on 18 Sep, 2013 11:27
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Lots of performance margin on these flights. Good opportunity to get some testing in.
These missions are scheduled for 2018-19. They do need testing opportunities -- now.
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#16
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smoliarm
on 18 Sep, 2013 11:41
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I read it 2 F9 launches to replace 3 F1 launches. Still, they won't make a profit, unless they reuse first stages.
On the other hand you have to ask how much money would SpaceX spend to keep F1 active?
"3 F1 launches" does not sound right, these SARah sats are ~ 2000 kg each
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/sarah-a.htmhttp://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/sarah-p.htmIt's way too heavy for F1.
Te article says:
SpaceX ... will be launching all three of Germany’s next-generation radar reconnaissance satellites under an agreement that makes use of long-dormant options held by Astrium of Europe for the now-shelved Falcon 1 rocket, industry officials said.
We do not know what are these options and how many F1 flights were in Astrium contract. It would take 10+ launches of F1e to get 5.8 tons into polar orbit.
May be they used these options to get some discount ?
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#17
by
Lurker Steve
on 18 Sep, 2013 14:28
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I wonder who else bid on it if anyone? But regardless, just another feather for SpaceX to add to their cap.
Yeah another bloody feather that will push their balance books closer to the red.
http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/35905falcon-9-selected-to-launch-german-military-radar-satellites
Falcon 1 contracts eh? So these were again sold for 20-something million then? Anybody knows?
Falcon 1 contracts were down in the 10-something million range I thought.
Pretty smart deal by the Germans. And when those F1 contracts were signed, there was no hint of re-usability, so these are launching on brand-spanking new launch vehicles.
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#18
by
mlindner
on 19 Sep, 2013 00:00
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I read it 2 F9 launches to replace 3 F1 launches. Still, they won't make a profit, unless they reuse first stages.
On the other hand you have to ask how much money would SpaceX spend to keep F1 active?
"3 F1 launches" does not sound right, these SARah sats are ~ 2000 kg each
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/sarah-a.htm
http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/sarah-p.htm
It's way too heavy for F1.
Te article says:
SpaceX ... will be launching all three of Germany’s next-generation radar reconnaissance satellites under an agreement that makes use of long-dormant options held by Astrium of Europe for the now-shelved Falcon 1 rocket, industry officials said.
We do not know what are these options and how many F1 flights were in Astrium contract. It would take 10+ launches of F1e to get 5.8 tons into polar orbit.
May be they used these options to get some discount ?
Agreed. There was either a contract loophole that they used to acquire F9 v1.1 rockets for a different satellite than originally intended or there was an option for many more smaller launches. Either way, if they're getting F1 prices, sounds like dirty pool.
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#19
by
CuddlyRocket
on 19 Sep, 2013 03:30
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Lots of performance margin on these flights. Good opportunity to get some testing in.
These missions are scheduled for 2018-19. They do need testing opportunities -- now.
There is a continuous need for testing with a philosophy of continual improvement!
Falcon 9 1.1 is a step towards SpaceX's ultimate goals; there will always be the next thing to be tested whilst on that journey.
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#20
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Jarnis
on 19 Sep, 2013 08:21
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Lots of performance margin on these flights. Good opportunity to get some testing in.
More like good candidates for a flight that actually re-uses the booster (as there is bound to be performance penalty vs. expendable mode when returning the booster to land)
By 2018 I would expect them to have worked out the whole landing-the-first-stage thing - either it is in use at that point for all flights where the payload mass allows it, or it simply can't work with F9 v1.1 and requires another evolutionary step in booster design first.
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#21
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Garrett
on 19 Sep, 2013 08:30
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Lots of performance margin on these flights. Good opportunity to get some testing in.
These missions are scheduled for 2018-19. They do need testing opportunities -- now.
There is a continuous need for testing with a philosophy of continual improvement!
Falcon 9 1.1 is a step towards SpaceX's ultimate goals; there will always be the next thing to be tested whilst on that journey.
2018 is less than fives years away. There's no guarantee that SpaceX will have succeeded in making their F9 or FH reusable by then. It could easily take another four to five years to achieve that goal. Those SARah launches could be well suited for testing a second-hand F9R, should the contract allow for such a possibility.
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#22
by
smoliarm
on 19 Sep, 2013 08:37
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...
There is a continuous need for testing with a philosophy of continual improvement!
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Oh no!
"philosophy of continual improvement" with exclamation mark means that after just 5 launches of v1.1 there will be another year-long delay for inevitable (
) v1.2 ...
"philosophy" is a dangerous word.
Also, there is an old Russian saying (loosely translated): "BEST is the worst foe of GOOD"
[/kidding]
seriously speaking, 5 years from now and hopefully having the expected performance of v1.1 achieved -- then a launch of 2 ton sat into polar orbit gives an opportunity for ... secondary payload.
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#23
by
fatjohn1408
on 19 Sep, 2013 08:56
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I wonder who else bid on it if anyone? But regardless, just another feather for SpaceX to add to their cap.
Yeah another bloody feather that will push their balance books closer to the red.
http://www.spacenews.com/article/military-space/35905falcon-9-selected-to-launch-german-military-radar-satellites
Falcon 1 contracts eh? So these were again sold for 20-something million then? Anybody knows?
Falcon 1 contracts were down in the 10-something million range I thought.
Pretty smart deal by the Germans. And when those F1 contracts were signed, there was no hint of re-usability, so these are launching on brand-spanking new launch vehicles.
Yes but Orbcomm renegotiated F1 contracts into F9 and they paid $21.3M per F9 flight.
Bad deal for SpaceX, just as I expect these SARah sats are.
But there PR makes it look like a victory, a european institutional customer.
They do know PR.
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n1301/01orbcomm/
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#24
by
AJW
on 19 Sep, 2013 14:34
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"philosophy of continual improvement" with exclamation mark means that after just 5 launches of v1.1 there will be another year-long delay for inevitable ( ) v1.2 ...
I know it feels like longer, but CRS-2 was just this March. If you were SpaceX and had the choice of six months between CRS-1 and CRS-2 launches by staying with v1.0, or the current seven months (CRS-2 to CASSIOPE) and in the process double your payload capacity, add a new launch site, and possibly gain reusability, adding one month delay to your launch cadence seems a worthwhile tradeoff. Now add in the reports of shorter manufacturing time, lower costs, and improved reliability and that month delay can bring huge payoffs.
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#25
by
oldAtlas_Eguy
on 19 Sep, 2013 18:26
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To give some perspective of when reusable may be ready for actual landing on land after a orbital launch:
1) GH1's permit from the FAA spanded 3 years 2013, 2014, and 2015.
2) The time span included enough time to rebuild a new test vehicle if GH1 cratered.
3) GH1 test have all been successful so far and the contingency added to the permit (howerver much that was) is looking like it may not be needed cutting possibly a year off development time.
4) Permit process for higher altitude GH2 flights has started.
5) But no permits for RTLS yet, putting that first RTLS somewhere 1+ years after the completion of the GH program.
Estimations:
GH1 program complete 2014.
GH2 program complete 2016.
First possible RTLS test 2017/2018.
So yes a 2018 flight of a light payload would be a oportunity to test a fully fuctional RTLS 1st stage.
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#26
by
Karloss12
on 19 Sep, 2013 19:52
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To give some perspective of when reusable may be ready for actual landing on land after a orbital launch:
1) GH1's permit from the FAA spanded 3 years 2013, 2014, and 2015.
2) The time span included enough time to rebuild a new test vehicle if GH1 cratered.
3) GH1 test have all been successful so far and the contingency added to the permit (howerver much that was) is looking like it may not be needed cutting possibly a year off development time.
4) Permit process for higher altitude GH2 flights has started.
5) But no permits for RTLS yet, putting that first RTLS somewhere 1+ years after the completion of the GH program.
Estimations:
GH1 program complete 2014.
GH2 program complete 2016.
First possible RTLS test 2017/2018.
So yes a 2018 flight of a light payload would be a oportunity to test a fully fuctional RTLS 1st stage.
Or they could get lucky and have the 1st V1.1 hovering over the ocean next month and in the process skip 3 years of estimated development. ...........not likely.
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#27
by
Robotbeat
on 19 Sep, 2013 19:58
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But give it a 10% chance?
(But really, remember they're going to try this on other launches, too.)
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#28
by
kch
on 19 Sep, 2013 20:00
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To give some perspective of when reusable may be ready for actual landing on land after a orbital launch:
1) GH1's permit from the FAA spanded 3 years 2013, 2014, and 2015.
2) The time span included enough time to rebuild a new test vehicle if GH1 cratered.
3) GH1 test have all been successful so far and the contingency added to the permit (howerver much that was) is looking like it may not be needed cutting possibly a year off development time.
4) Permit process for higher altitude GH2 flights has started.
5) But no permits for RTLS yet, putting that first RTLS somewhere 1+ years after the completion of the GH program.
Estimations:
GH1 program complete 2014.
GH2 program complete 2016.
First possible RTLS test 2017/2018.
So yes a 2018 flight of a light payload would be a oportunity to test a fully fuctional RTLS 1st stage.
Or they could get lucky and have the 1st V1.1 hovering over the ocean next month and in the process skip 3 years of estimated development. ...........not likely.
At this point, we're just guessing about that -- a month from now, we'll know.
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#29
by
oldAtlas_Eguy
on 19 Sep, 2013 21:37
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WAG's are what we have now. 3 years from now maybe not.
5 years ago (2008) SpaceX was still designing their F9.
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#30
by
Lurker Steve
on 19 Sep, 2013 21:44
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Can we get the discussion back to this mission instead of some future launcher that hasn't been designed yet ?
There are other threads to discuss future SpaceX developments. This is supposed to be about SARah .
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#31
by
rockets4life97
on 11 Nov, 2017 14:58
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We are now on the cusp of 2018.
Is it possible that all 3 SARah sats will now fly on single F9 Block V?
Or Maybe SARah 1 is a possible co-passenger with PAZ? The look to both be going to SSO. I'm not sure how far apart the intended orbits are.
P.S. Looks like Garrett and Jarnis get credit for predicting in 2013 that SpaceX would successfully RTLS by now.
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#32
by
russianhalo117
on 11 Nov, 2017 16:38
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We are now on the cusp of 2018.
Is it possible that all 3 SARah sats will now fly on single F9 Block V?
Or Maybe SARah 1 is a possible co-passenger with PAZ? The look to both be going to SSO. I'm not sure how far apart the intended orbits are.
P.S. Looks like Garrett and Jarnis get credit for predicting in 2013 that SpaceX would successfully RTLS by now.
no the 3 SARah sats are launching to 2 different planes.
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#33
by
su27k
on 12 Nov, 2017 17:02
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We are now on the cusp of 2018.
Is it possible that all 3 SARah sats will now fly on single F9 Block V?
Or Maybe SARah 1 is a possible co-passenger with PAZ? The look to both be going to SSO. I'm not sure how far apart the intended orbits are.
I don't buy fatjohn1408's hypothesis that the two launches are sold at F1 price, what Astrium had was an option, not an actual contract, it makes no sense for SpaceX to allow someone buy F9 at F1 price just because they had a F1 option from a few years ago.
If the two launches were sold at F9's regular price, then there's no incentive for SpaceX to merge them into one launch, why fly one when you can fly two at twice the price?
P.S. Looks like Garrett and Jarnis get credit for predicting in 2013 that SpaceX would successfully RTLS by now.
It's also really cool to see SpaceX exceeded some of the forum's expectations from 2013.
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#34
by
faramund
on 12 Nov, 2017 19:03
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We are now on the cusp of 2018.
Is it possible that all 3 SARah sats will now fly on single F9 Block V?
Or Maybe SARah 1 is a possible co-passenger with PAZ? The look to both be going to SSO. I'm not sure how far apart the intended orbits are.
I don't buy fatjohn1408's hypothesis that the two launches are sold at F1 price, what Astrium had was an option, not an actual contract, it makes no sense for SpaceX to allow someone buy F9 at F1 price just because they had a F1 option from a few years ago.
If the two launches were sold at F9's regular price, then there's no incentive for SpaceX to merge them into one launch, why fly one when you can fly two at twice the price?
P.S. Looks like Garrett and Jarnis get credit for predicting in 2013 that SpaceX would successfully RTLS by now.
It's also really cool to see SpaceX exceeded some of the forum's expectations from 2013.
Wouldn't this depend on the contract.
If it was, pay $1 now, and then you have the option of paying $9 later, and then you can have X, then the seller has a strong legal obligation to provide X. This sort of option occurs in financial markets - and a seller can't take the $1 and then later on say, oh no, you can't have X now - even if they give back the $1.
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#35
by
deruch
on 12 Nov, 2017 20:39
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We are now on the cusp of 2018.
Is it possible that all 3 SARah sats will now fly on single F9 Block V?
Or Maybe SARah 1 is a possible co-passenger with PAZ? The look to both be going to SSO. I'm not sure how far apart the intended orbits are.
I don't buy fatjohn1408's hypothesis that the two launches are sold at F1 price, what Astrium had was an option, not an actual contract, it makes no sense for SpaceX to allow someone buy F9 at F1 price just because they had a F1 option from a few years ago.
If the two launches were sold at F9's regular price, then there's no incentive for SpaceX to merge them into one launch, why fly one when you can fly two at twice the price?
It doesn't matter either way. SpaceX can afford to take an effective loss on a few underpriced launches without any real harm being done to them. Loss leaders are a well known/accepted part of many sales strategies. The value of expanding into launches with European govt. clients is potentially worth more than any revenue shortfall, assuming there actually is one. In my purely speculative guessing opinion, the most likely contract modification is that Astrium got a biggish discount (~15M-20M spread across both launches) on the launches but not a 1-to-1 price swap in the move to the bigger vehicle.
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#36
by
PM3
on 08 Feb, 2019 15:39
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Now NET November 2020:
http://dipbt.bundestag.de/dip21/btd/19/072/1907253.pdf"Die Satelliten werden voraussichtlich im Zeitraum November 2020 bis September
2021 in die Umlaufbahn gebracht" -- The satellites will presumably brought to orbit in the timespan of November 2020 to September 2021.
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#37
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scr00chy
on 08 Feb, 2020 13:51
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I'm pretty much convinced this launch is part of the SpaceX Smallsat Rideshare program. Clues:
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Gunter mentions: "The satellite will be launched
with a co-passenger on a Falcon-9 v1.2 (Block 5) booster between November 2020 and September 2021."
- We know it's launching to SSO, likely to an orbit similar to that of the SAR-Lupe constellation ("
typical 470 km × 505 km, 98.18°")
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SpaceX's smallsat website lists a
non-dedicated rideshare launch planned for February 2021 with an orbit of 450±25km x 450±25km
- There are no other SSO launches in that time frame (that we know of)
Therefore, I'm pretty sure SARah 1 is currently scheduled for Feb 2021 along with
NuX-1 and possibly other secondary payloads
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#38
by
PM3
on 16 Apr, 2020 14:51
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#39
by
gongora
on 10 May, 2020 19:03
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#40
by
TorenAltair
on 11 May, 2020 00:23
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#41
by
wannamoonbase
on 18 Nov, 2020 17:42
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Do we not know that this flight will be core 1063.2?
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#42
by
Jansen
on 18 Nov, 2020 17:51
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Do we not know that this flight will be core 1063.2?
I think that’s speculation based on a Vandenburg launch. However, I believe it can now be done from the Eastern Range, maybe even as part of a flight share.
There isn’t a lot of public information available, and the launch date seems to be fluid.
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#43
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gongora
on 18 Nov, 2020 17:52
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Do we not know that this flight will be core 1063.2?
I certainly don't know that. I haven't seen a schedule update on this in a long time.
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#44
by
PM3
on 26 Nov, 2020 13:15
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#45
by
scr00chy
on 26 Nov, 2020 14:34
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#46
by
PM3
on 26 Nov, 2020 16:52
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#47
by
scr00chy
on 23 Feb, 2021 12:29
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#48
by
Huskymaniac
on 01 Mar, 2021 03:24
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Any idea when we can expect to hear a hard date for "NET H1 - SARah-1, XVI, Sherpa-NG, Vigoride [NuX-1, SPARTAN, PocketPod (x2), Quadpack, SMPOD-03] - Falcon 9 - Vandenberg SLC-4E"?
I have seen May but no specific date. Would love to make plans to go and watch the launch...or try.
[zubenelgenubi: I moved your post from the US Launch Schedule thread to the SARah-1 launch thread. Both threads are the best places to check for news about this flight.
There's little concrete information on WHEN in 2021 that this will fly. There's even a chance of it launching from Cape Canaveral, Florida, instead of Vandenberg--polar and/or sun-synchronous launches are now (again) possible from the Cape.]
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#49
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PM3
on 01 Mar, 2021 09:41
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Any idea when we can expect to hear a hard date for "NET H1 - SARah-1, XVI, Sherpa-NG, Vigoride [NuX-1, SPARTAN, PocketPod (x2), Quadpack, SMPOD-03] - Falcon 9 - Vandenberg SLC-4E"?
I have been regularly monitoring the media here in Germay for any hint on the launch date, but found nothing since that Handelsblatt article mentioned above in post #44 (which hinted to 2022).
Momentus probably had manifested their Vigoride-2 mission on this launch; it was scheduled for February 2021 on a Falcon 9 polar launch. Vigoride-2 now has been moved to Transporter-2, which will probably launch in July. This could indicate that Sarah 1 will launch significantly later than July 2021. Otherwise it would have been easier for Momentus to keep VR-2 on the Sarah launch. (Except if Sarah will launch pretty soon, and Momentus does not expect to solve their licensing issues in the near term. On the other hand, those issues are - at least officially - tied to the VR-
1 payloads. Or except if they shifted VR-2 due do payload readiness.)
So there are these options now:
- NET May 2021 according to Michael Baylor, who usually is very well-informed on SpaceX launches
- NET ~ late summer 2021, as indicated by the Vigoride-2 switch to Transporter-2
- 2022 according to that poorly written Handelsblatt article
All three options are same likely imho.
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#50
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gongora
on 01 Mar, 2021 13:29
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I wouldn't be surprised if the March 2022 rideshare is this flight. (I don't have any information saying that is the case.) The NET May on Michael's site is very much NET, as in it's not launching before then but date is still unknown.
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#51
by
Jansen
on 31 May, 2021 11:45
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Just an update:
Now nominally NET October 2021 per Next Space Flight
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#52
by
StraumliBlight
on 14 Jul, 2021 19:37
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There's a brief mention of SARah in this
March 2021 German Bundestag report.
Ab 2022 wird SAR-Lupe durch das Nachfolgeprojekt SARah mit drei Aufklärungssatelliten ersetzt.
Translated:
From 2022, SAR-Lupe will be replaced by the follow-up project SARah with three reconnaissance satellites.
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#53
by
PM3
on 20 Sep, 2021 12:56
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Could this launch with CSG 2, which is scheduled for NET November 18? CSG 1 is in 630 km SSO.
USN LEOP support for Cosmo-SkyMed2 from Alaska
By this application, SSC Space US, Inc. dba Universal Space Network
(collectively, "USN"),1 a Delaware Corporation, seeks FCC approval to support
the Cosmo-SkyMed2 (CSG-2) LEOP. CSG-2 is the second generation earth
observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union.
CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no
earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03013
filed August 2, 2021
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#54
by
klod
on 20 Sep, 2021 13:32
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Could this launch with CSG 2, which is scheduled for NET November 18? CSG 1 is in 630 km SSO.
USN LEOP support for Cosmo-SkyMed2 from Alaska
By this application, SSC Space US, Inc. dba Universal Space Network
(collectively, "USN"),1 a Delaware Corporation, seeks FCC approval to support
the Cosmo-SkyMed2 (CSG-2) LEOP. CSG-2 is the second generation earth
observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union.
CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no
earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03013
filed August 2, 2021
This application was filed August 2, 2021, by that time IXPE mission was on schedule - NET November 17th, 2021. I presume that this payload was binded to IXPE.
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#55
by
scr00chy
on 20 Sep, 2021 14:17
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Could this launch with CSG 2, which is scheduled for NET November 18? CSG 1 is in 630 km SSO.
USN LEOP support for Cosmo-SkyMed2 from Alaska
By this application, SSC Space US, Inc. dba Universal Space Network
(collectively, "USN"),1 a Delaware Corporation, seeks FCC approval to support
the Cosmo-SkyMed2 (CSG-2) LEOP. CSG-2 is the second generation earth
observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union.
CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no
earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03013
filed August 2, 2021
This application was filed August 2, 2021, by that time IXPE mission was on schedule - NET November 17th, 2021. I presume that this payload was binded to IXPE.
But CSG-2 is going to SSO, while IXPE is launching from 39A and I don't think SpaceX can do polar trajectories from KSC, only from SLC-40.
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#56
by
soltasto
on 20 Sep, 2021 14:20
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Could this launch with CSG 2, which is scheduled for NET November 18? CSG 1 is in 630 km SSO.
USN LEOP support for Cosmo-SkyMed2 from Alaska
By this application, SSC Space US, Inc. dba Universal Space Network
(collectively, "USN"),1 a Delaware Corporation, seeks FCC approval to support
the Cosmo-SkyMed2 (CSG-2) LEOP. CSG-2 is the second generation earth
observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union.
CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no
earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03013
filed August 2, 2021
This application was filed August 2, 2021, by that time IXPE mission was on schedule - NET November 17th, 2021. I presume that this payload was binded to IXPE.
But CSG-2 is going to SSO, while IXPE is launching from 39A and I don't think SpaceX can do polar trajectories from KSC, only from SLC-40.
More importantly than that, IXPE is going to an equatorial orbit, with an about 0° inclination. There is just no way to perform that much of an inclination change. The IXPE/CSG-2 connection is pure coincidence
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#57
by
Skyrocket
on 20 Sep, 2021 14:55
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Could this launch with CSG 2, which is scheduled for NET November 18? CSG 1 is in 630 km SSO.
USN LEOP support for Cosmo-SkyMed2 from Alaska
By this application, SSC Space US, Inc. dba Universal Space Network
(collectively, "USN"),1 a Delaware Corporation, seeks FCC approval to support
the Cosmo-SkyMed2 (CSG-2) LEOP. CSG-2 is the second generation earth
observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union.
CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no
earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03013
filed August 2, 2021
This application was filed August 2, 2021, by that time IXPE mission was on schedule - NET November 17th, 2021. I presume that this payload was binded to IXPE.
But CSG-2 is going to SSO, while IXPE is launching from 39A and I don't think SpaceX can do polar trajectories from KSC, only from SLC-40.
IXPE is going to a 0° equatorial orbit - so a launch with CSG-2 can be ruled out.
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#58
by
Comga
on 21 Sep, 2021 03:01
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Could this launch with CSG 2, which is scheduled for NET November 18? CSG 1 is in 630 km SSO.
USN LEOP support for Cosmo-SkyMed2 from Alaska
By this application, SSC Space US, Inc. dba Universal Space Network
(collectively, "USN"),1 a Delaware Corporation, seeks FCC approval to support
the Cosmo-SkyMed2 (CSG-2) LEOP. CSG-2 is the second generation earth
observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union.
CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no
earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03013
filed August 2, 2021
This application was filed August 2, 2021, by that time IXPE mission was on schedule - NET November 17th, 2021. I presume that this payload was binded to IXPE.
But CSG-2 is going to SSO, while IXPE is launching from 39A and I don't think SpaceX can do polar trajectories from KSC, only from SLC-40.
IXPE is going to a 0° equatorial orbit - so a launch with CSG-2 can be ruled out.
We can ask
PM3 klod but it may be that by “binded to IXPE” he meant “paced by IXPE”. (oops)
As in launching afterwards
As in NET 1 day after NET Nov 17
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#59
by
PM3
on 21 Sep, 2021 22:38
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We can ask PM3 but it may be that by “binded to IXPE” he meant “paced by IXPE”.
This was not me but klod.
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#60
by
klod
on 22 Sep, 2021 06:03
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Could this launch with CSG 2, which is scheduled for NET November 18? CSG 1 is in 630 km SSO.
USN LEOP support for Cosmo-SkyMed2 from Alaska
By this application, SSC Space US, Inc. dba Universal Space Network
(collectively, "USN"),1 a Delaware Corporation, seeks FCC approval to support
the Cosmo-SkyMed2 (CSG-2) LEOP. CSG-2 is the second generation earth
observation science satellites launched by ESA to serve the European Union.
CSG-2 will be launched from Cape Canaveral Florida on a SpaceX Falcon-9 no
earlier than November 18th, 2021 at 23:11:12 UTC.
https://fcc.report/IBFS/SES-STA-INTR2021-03013
filed August 2, 2021
This application was filed August 2, 2021, by that time IXPE mission was on schedule - NET November 17th, 2021. I presume that this payload was binded to IXPE.
But CSG-2 is going to SSO, while IXPE is launching from 39A and I don't think SpaceX can do polar trajectories from KSC, only from SLC-40.
IXPE is going to a 0° equatorial orbit - so a launch with CSG-2 can be ruled out.
We can ask PM3 klod but it may be that by “binded to IXPE” he meant “paced by IXPE”. (oops)
As in launching afterwards
As in NET 1 day after NET Nov 17
It was a wild guess. However, I am concerned about the compatibility of the missions, because the telescope has only mass of 300 kg, and the second payload - 2k. Falcon 9 should cope. In any case, this cannot be verified in practice. I found out that IXPE is a dedicated science mission, so no rideshare.
As for this mission, its launch is planned from California, so I don't see any options for combining it with CSG-2.
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#61
by
crandles57
on 22 Sep, 2021 12:10
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#62
by
Comga
on 22 Sep, 2021 16:58
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#63
by
StraumliBlight
on 05 Oct, 2021 06:40
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Another
reference to SARah was published on September 17th by the
Bundestag.
Welche Probleme und Schwierigkeiten gibt es mit dem Satellitensystem der Bundeswehr vom Typ SARah?
In der Realisierungsphase des Satellitensystems SARah traten diverse Verzögerungen auf. Zum einen waren Bundeswehr-interne und Bundeswehr-externe Vorgaben zur Informationssicherheit nach Vertragsschluss nachträglich zu berücksichtigen. Zudem mussten durch den Auftragnehmer zu vertretende techniDeutscher Bundestag – 19. Wahlperiode – 13 – Drucksache 19/32496 Vorabfassung - wird durch die lektorierte Version ersetzt. sche Unzulänglichkeiten im Boden-/Raumsegment ausgeräumt werden. Zusätzliche Verzögerungen sind Pandemie-bedingten Auswirkungen zuzuschreiben.
Translated:
What problems and difficulties are there with the SARah satellite system of the Bundeswehr?
Various delays occurred in the implementation phase of the SARah satellite system. On the one hand, internal and external information security requirements had to be taken into account after the contract was signed. In addition, techniDeutscher Bundestag - 19th electoral period - 13 - Printed matter 19/32496 preliminary drafting - will be replaced by the edited version. cal inadequacies in the floor / space segment are eliminated. Additional delays are due to pandemic-related effects.
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#64
by
CorvusCorax
on 07 Oct, 2021 06:18
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Another reference to SARah was published on September 17th by the Bundestag.
Welche Probleme und Schwierigkeiten gibt es mit dem Satellitensystem der Bundeswehr vom Typ SARah?
In der Realisierungsphase des Satellitensystems SARah traten diverse Verzögerungen auf. Zum einen waren Bundeswehr-interne und Bundeswehr-externe Vorgaben zur Informationssicherheit nach Vertragsschluss nachträglich zu berücksichtigen. Zudem mussten durch den Auftragnehmer zu vertretende technische Unzulänglichkeiten im Boden-/Raumsegment ausgeräumt werden. Zusätzliche Verzögerungen sind Pandemie-bedingten Auswirkungen zuzuschreiben.
Translated:
What problems and difficulties are there with the SARah satellite system of the Bundeswehr?
Various delays occurred in the implementation phase of the SARah satellite system. On the one hand, internal and external information security requirements had to be taken into account after the contract was signed. In addition, technical inadequacies in the floor / space segment had to be eliminated by the contractor. Additional delays are due to pandemic-related effects.
fixed the quotes - got messed up by the page header - and fixed translation
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#65
by
PM3
on 10 Oct, 2021 21:35
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#66
by
gongora
on 11 Nov, 2021 14:55
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#67
by
scr00chy
on 12 Dec, 2021 12:39
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Next Spaceflight is showing NET April 2022 for this launch.
Does anyone know what that's based on? I think we've only heard "2022" recently, nothing more specific.
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#68
by
scr00chy
on 26 Feb, 2022 13:24
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Wild theory time. I wonder if there is any chance SARah 1 has been moved to the Transporter-4 mission. Some arguments in favor:
- It's been known for years now SARah 1 would be launching with some rideshare payloads
- Compared to previous missions, Transporter-4 manifest seems fairly light on payloads so far (although I'm sure more will be announced over the next few weeks) which might indicate a heavier payload being on board
- The expected launch dates for both SARah 1 and Transporter-4 currently line up (although I'm still not sure where did the April launch date for SARah come from)
Circumstantial, I know.
Alternatively, it's possible they're indeed separate launches. That could also mean that some of the payloads we assumed were for T-4 are actually SARah rideshares due to the similar launch timeframe. Meaning, we've assumed that "April SpaceX launch" meant T-4, but maybe it was actually SARah 1 in some cases?
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#69
by
zubenelgenubi
on 28 Mar, 2022 05:24
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Wild theory time.
No. But,
EnMAP is a
Transporter-4 payload.
Next Spaceflight is showing NET April 2022 for this launch.
Does anyone know what that's based on? I think we've only heard "2022" recently, nothing more specific.
Now NET May 2022. I don't know when the listing was updated.
However,
SFN Launch Schedule update, March 25 (one of many):
SARah 1 launches in mid 2022 from Vandenberg SLC-4E.
Could it be a rideshare on
Transporter-5? (June 1 launch from Vandenberg)
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#70
by
gongora
on 28 Mar, 2022 13:35
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When Next Spaceflight has something like NET May it often means "we know it's gonna launch some day, have no idea when, but it doesn't seem to be launching in April".
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#71
by
Spiffles
on 28 Mar, 2022 21:24
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When Next Spaceflight has something like NET May it often means "we know it's gonna launch some day, have no idea when, but it doesn't seem to be launching in April".
This is correct.
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#72
by
zubenelgenubi
on 08 Apr, 2022 01:02
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Could it be a rideshare on Transporter-5? (June 1 launch from Vandenberg)
No.
Transporter-5 is a Canaveral SLC-40 launch, March 31 update, April 1 article.
With SpaceX’s rideshare launch business booming, the launch of Transporter 5 is just two months from today.
Transporter 5 was originally slated to launch from Vandenberg, but has recently been moved back to Cape Canaveral.
https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1509975618871570437
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#73
by
zubenelgenubi
on 23 Apr, 2022 11:25
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Cross-post:
Is SARah finally showing up? This mission number is pretty old.
0782-EX-ST-2022 Mission 1365, Vandy, no ASDS listed
NET June [3]
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#74
by
zubenelgenubi
on 23 Apr, 2022 12:51
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Next Spaceflight is showing NET June 2022 for this launch, first stage landing at LZ-4.
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#75
by
zubenelgenubi
on 25 Apr, 2022 15:27
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Do we know an approximate LTDN or LTAN for the Sun-synchronous orbit?
LTDN/LTAN = Local Time Descending/Ascending Node
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#76
by
zubenelgenubi
on 01 May, 2022 17:40
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The first
SARah satellite should be arriving soon at Vandenberg, if launch is to be in early June.
Also, cross-posted:
Next launch from Vandy after 4-13 is SARah-1, there's not any Starlink in between.
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#77
by
steveholtam
on 10 May, 2022 18:31
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Any thoughts on if this will be a return to land for landing? Trying to plan a trip so see that. The next possible mission would be SDA Tranche 0. Thanks!
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#78
by
gongora
on 10 May, 2022 18:37
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Any thoughts on if this will be a return to land for landing? Trying to plan a trip so see that. The next possible mission would be SDA Tranche 0. Thanks!
I wouldn't expect SDA flights to be RTLS.
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#79
by
zubenelgenubi
on 12 May, 2022 16:42
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First stage 1063.5 is intended for the May 13 launch of Starlink 4-13.
I suspect that 1071.3, the other Falcon 9 first stage at Vandenberg, is intended for this launch.
I also suspect that there will be no Static Fire before a launch using either 1071.3 or 1063.6, unless the customer chooses to pay for one.
The launch vehicle, with payload stacked, will roll to the pad, for the first and only time, a day or less before liftoff.
Edit May 20: It's 1071.3.
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#80
by
scr00chy
on 19 May, 2022 16:23
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https://spaceflightnow.com/2022/05/18/spacex-launches-third-starlink-mission-in-five-days/Additional SpaceX flights in June will launch the Nilesat 301 geostationary communications satellite for the Egyptian operator Nilesat, the German military’s SARah 1 radar observation spacecraft, the SES 22 television broadcasting payload, and more Starlink internet satellites.
After all these years, it's finally launching? I can hardly believe it. It was originally supposed to launch in 2018 and it always felt like the launch was just 6 months away...
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#81
by
zubenelgenubi
on 19 May, 2022 20:32
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It would be "nice" to know approximately when the launch will be. We don't even know if the payload has shipped.
But, as a intelligence/defense payload, I suppose the press releases will make a short stack?
Any Feldjäger spottings at or near Vandenberg SFB?
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#82
by
Zed_Noir
on 20 May, 2022 01:40
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It would be "nice" to know approximately when the launch will be. We don't even know if the payload has shipped.
But, as a intelligence/defense payload, I suppose the press releases will make a short stack?
Any Feldjäger spottings at or near Vandenberg SFB?
Maybe it hitch a ride with Nilesat-301 and SES-22 on that Ro-Ro boat across the pond.
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#83
by
zubenelgenubi
on 20 May, 2022 17:29
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Cross-post:
Added a bunch of upcoming SpaceX launches to NextSpaceflight and some booster assignments. https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/agency/upcoming/1/
I'm expecting B1071 to be used on SARah-1 [1071.3], then on Group 3-2 about a month or so later [1071.4].
Edit: Well, that or we see them using a different booster than 63 or 71 but I doubt it.
Vandenberg orbital launches in the near future:
2022 Launched:№ – Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)June 18 NET Sept 2021 NET Oct 2021 or 2022 TBD NET Apr midyear NET 3 NET 18 - SARah 1,
Sherpa-NG?, Vigoride [NuX-1, ORESAT0, Quadpack, SMPOD-03], XVI(?) - Falcon 9-
159? 158? TBD 160? 161? (
1071.3 LZ-4) - Vandenberg SLC-4E -
14:19:52 June 18 13:50 June 18 after 14:00(Sun-synchronous orbit satellites: launch at approximately the same time of day year-round)2022 Scheduled:№ – Date - Satellite(s) - Rocket - Launch Site - Time (UTC)July 8 NET Nov 2021 Dec 2021 NET Jan 2022 NET Feb NET Mar NET Apr TBD NET Jun Jul NET Jul 5/NET Jun 25 NET 8 - Starlink
3-1 2-5 2-TBD TBD (
xTBD x51?) (
flight 50?/polar flight 1 high inclination flight 5 polar flight 3? TBD) [
v1.5 L21? v2.0 L5 L5 L-TBD] - Falcon 9-
163? 163? 164? (
1063.6 OCISLY ASDS) - Vandenberg SLC-4E
July 17 NET May 2021 late 2021 NET Dec 2021 NET Jan 31 2022 late Jan TBD NET Mar NET Apr May NET Jun -
ALS mission 1: Carbonite 4 (CBNT 4),
GENESIS-G & J, QUBIK-3/4/5/6, Sapling-1, Spinnaker3 hosted payload - Alpha
(FLTA002) - Vandenberg SLC-2W
Late July/NET July 14 NET Dec 2021 Jan 2022 NET Feb NET Mar NET Apr NET May TBD NET Jul - Starlink
3-2 2-6 2-TBD TBD (
xTBD x51?) (
flight TBD/polar flight 2 high inclination flight 6 polar flight 4?) [
v1.5 L-TBD v2.0 L6 L6] - Falcon 9 (
1071.4 OCISLY ASDS) - Vandenberg SLC-4E
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#84
by
Conexion Espacial
on 21 May, 2022 12:31
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#85
by
zubenelgenubi
on 27 May, 2022 19:43
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Is a non-propulsive model of
Sherpa-NG flying with
SARah-1?
Or has it been removed from the flight?
Is a Vigoride
VR spacecraft returning to the flight?
It sounds like Spaceflight's Sherpa is not flying on this mission [Transporter-4]?
https://spacenews.com/spacex-severs-ties-with-spaceflight/ [March 21]
“Sherpa itself was subjected to all expected launch environments with industry standard factors,” Sorensen said by email. “Spaceflight and SpaceX continued to discuss analysis and test products up until Spaceflight was informed that SpaceX would not fly the vehicle, which was the day of final integration to the SpaceX vehicle.”
Edit June 7: Any news about the rideshares?
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#86
by
zubenelgenubi
on 08 Jun, 2022 20:29
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Cross-post:
SFN Globalstar spare satellite to launch on SpaceX rocket this month, June 7
Here’s a snapshot of the Falcon 9 launch schedule for June, as of Tuesday [June 7]:
• June 8: Nilesat 301 from SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida
• Mid-June: Globalstar FM15 from SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida
• June 18: SARah 1 from SLC-4E at Vandenberg Space Force Base, California
• Mid-June: Starlink 4-19 from LC-39A at Kennedy Space Center, Florida
• June 28: CRS-25 from LC-39A at Kennedy Space Center, Florida
• June 28: SES 22 from SLC-40 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida
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#87
by
Conexion Espacial
on 09 Jun, 2022 13:07
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#88
by
Skyrocket
on 09 Jun, 2022 17:14
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Has anyone solid information if there will be any ride-share payloads on this flight?
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#89
by
zubenelgenubi
on 10 Jun, 2022 01:59
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Cross-posts
Other announced Momentus payloads for this launch:
- NuX-1
- IRIS-1
- SPARTAN and QMR-KWT
Viasat, which was selected to lead the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) Space Vehicles XVI program, is scheduled to deliver the first 50-pound XVI satellite to Vandenberg Air Force Base, California in December ahead of a scheduled launch in the spring of 2021.
https://corpblog.viasat.com/xvi-update/
Sounds like that satellite could be launching on this mission.
I didn't see any other obvious candidate flights, unless they're counting on one of the new launchers to be flying by then.
Edit/add to better explain--my apologies:
The "original" rideshare list has turned almost completely over twice?--over the past years. A previous, pending rideshare launch was canceled, with the rideshare payloads listed as transferred to the
SARah-1 launch. However, we have no links listing a direct assignation of secondary payloads to this flight.
XVI payload blog link now forwards to a different Viasat website link, with a different text, about the technology, but no longer listing a launch year.
And, we don't know if the Sherpa payload exists. And if it did exist, it would only fly now if it's non-propulsive.
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#90
by
Skyrocket
on 10 Jun, 2022 05:52
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Cross-posts
Other announced Momentus payloads for this launch:
- NuX-1
- IRIS-1
- SPARTAN and QMR-KWT
Viasat, which was selected to lead the U.S. Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) Space Vehicles XVI program, is scheduled to deliver the first 50-pound XVI satellite to Vandenberg Air Force Base, California in December ahead of a scheduled launch in the spring of 2021.
https://corpblog.viasat.com/xvi-update/
Sounds like that satellite could be launching on this mission.
I didn't see any other obvious candidate flights, unless they're counting on one of the new launchers to be flying by then.
NuX-1, IRIS-1, SPARTAN and QMR-KWT have already been launched.
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#91
by
gongora
on 13 Jun, 2022 15:16
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Airbus-built Earth observation satellite (SARah-1) ready for launchFriedrichshafen / Vandenberg, CA, USA, 13 June 2022 – The Airbus-built "SARah-1" Earth observation satellite, under subcontract to OHB System AG, has been transported from Friedrichshafen, Germany, to Vandenberg, California, USA, and is currently being prepared for launch in June 2022 and subsequent operation by Airbus in space.
SARah is a new operational reconnaissance system consisting of several satellites and a ground segment, which was developed on behalf of the German Bundeswehr. As the successor system, it replaces the SAR-Lupe system currently in service and offers significantly enhanced capabilities and system performance.
Overall responsibility for the complete SARah system lies with OHB System AG, Bremen, as prime contractor, which holds the main contract from the Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support (BAAINBw). Airbus is the main subcontractor. The architecture of the overall SARah system consists of a space segment with three radar satellites (2 x OHB, 1 x Airbus) and a ground segment connected to two ground stations.
Airbus Defence and Space in Friedrichshafen developed the satellite with the latest, highest-resolution radar technology as well as jointly developing the ground segment to operate its own satellite. The company is also responsible for the launch, calibration and validation of the radar satellite, with final in-orbit delivery.
The radar instrument developed and built by Airbus features a sophisticated active phased array antenna and represents a further development of the Airbus-built TerraSAR, TanDEM-X and PAZ Earth observation satellites already successfully operating in orbit. This technology offers the advantages of very fast pointing and very flexible shaping of the antenna beam to deliver imagery in record time.
In general, radar satellites, with both passive and active antenna technology, allow observation of the Earth's surface regardless of the time of day or weather conditions.
The satellite, built by Airbus, weighs around four tons and will be launched from Vandenberg, California, USA.
The launch and commissioning (LEOP) of the satellite will be supervised from Airbus' control centre in Friedrichshafen. The subsequent calibration, validation and operation will be carried out from the Bundeswehr control centre.
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#92
by
Rondaz
on 15 Jun, 2022 14:20
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#93
by
wannamoonbase
on 15 Jun, 2022 14:32
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Another RTLS approaches at Vandenberg SFB this weekend with the SARah 1 mission. Camera prep underway.
https://twitter.com/w00ki33/status/1537054961967607809
I love that so many VSFB flights are RTLS. If it's foggy its dramatic, if its clear its stunning.
Fingers crossed for a higher VSFB launch cadence.
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#94
by
Nosu
on 16 Jun, 2022 15:05
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#95
by
Pheogh
on 16 Jun, 2022 16:03
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Scouring weather forecast right now for Lompoc. Does anyone know what the wind restrictions are for F9?
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#96
by
tleski
on 16 Jun, 2022 16:51
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#97
by
DaveJes1979
on 16 Jun, 2022 17:06
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It is tough to find really specific weather forecasts, that can tell us if there will be fog at the pad at around 7 a.m.
And will the fog extend a few miles inland, where most spectators will be?
Related: does anyone know where the Ocean Avenue barricade will be this time? It has moved around a bit for RTLS flights.
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#98
by
Pheogh
on 16 Jun, 2022 19:01
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Ugh, that's disappointing if that typo is right. Looks like it will be very foggy at 7am.
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#99
by
Conexion Espacial
on 16 Jun, 2022 19:23
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#100
by
DaveJes1979
on 16 Jun, 2022 19:57
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Ugh, that's disappointing if that typo is right. Looks like it will be very foggy at 7am.
What source are you referring to? I don't see any in this thread.
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#101
by
Pheogh
on 16 Jun, 2022 20:51
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There's a few great weather sites but my favorites are "Marine Weather and Tides Lompoc, CA". Additionally "windy.com" is pretty good and shows all the webcams. Nothing is for certain but the trends day to day can paint some kind of a picture. The last few days it hasn't cleared out until 11am. Looking at the temperature and humidity... trends aren't so good for Saturday morning, especially at 7am. If the launch window opened closer to 10-11am I probably would have made the trip.
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#102
by
DaveJes1979
on 16 Jun, 2022 21:30
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There's a few great weather sites but my favorites are "Marine Weather and Tides Lompoc, CA". Additionally "windy.com" is pretty good and shows all the webcams. Nothing is for certain but the trends day to day can paint some kind of a picture. The last few days it hasn't cleared out until 11am. Looking at the temperature and humidity... trends aren't so good for Saturday morning, especially at 7am. If the launch window opened closer to 10-11am I probably would have made the trip.
Hmm, visibility should be 10 statute miles.
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#103
by
Pheogh
on 16 Jun, 2022 21:50
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So that seems to indicate that the fog won't be a problem?
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#104
by
macpacheco
on 16 Jun, 2022 23:27
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So that seems to indicate that the fog won't be a problem?
Fog by itself isn't a problem. Potential weather issues are cumulus clouds, too strong winds, lightning, thunderstorms.
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#105
by
DaveJes1979
on 16 Jun, 2022 23:54
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What are the odds?
My trip is 4 hours one-way, so I'd like to find out if I'm burning time (and gas)!
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#106
by
alugobi
on 17 Jun, 2022 00:29
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It's June on the SoCal west coast. There's a saying: "June gloom".
Sometimes it fogs, and sometimes the day starts bright and clear. You're asking for assurances that can't be given.
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#107
by
DaveJes1979
on 17 Jun, 2022 00:43
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It's June on the SoCal west coast. There's a saying: "June gloom".
Sometimes it fogs, and sometimes the day starts bright and clear. You're asking for assurances that can't be given.
I'm asking for odds.
The weather violation % chance for the launch vehicle should be known.
Fog/no fog for viewing will be harder to come by.
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#108
by
jcm
on 17 Jun, 2022 03:56
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I assume from its heritage that SARah is an X-band system, but is this actually stated anywhere?
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#109
by
Rondaz
on 17 Jun, 2022 15:44
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#110
by
Skyrocket
on 17 Jun, 2022 18:14
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Has anyone found solid information if there are secondary payloads on this launch? And if they are there, which are they?
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#111
by
gongora
on 17 Jun, 2022 19:07
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As far as I can tell there isn't a Sherpa or Vigoride. Not sure what is actually on there.
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#112
by
Rondaz
on 17 Jun, 2022 19:30
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Orbital Launch no. 66 of 2022 #34 "25th launch for SpaceX in 2022"
#SpaceX to launch a German military Satellite #SARah1" for @bundeswehrInfo's onboard the #Falcon9 FT "B1071-3" launch vehicle at the @SLDelta30 "Vandenberg" SLC-4E.
https://twitter.com/nkknspace/status/1537851566975135745
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#113
by
Conexion Espacial
on 17 Jun, 2022 22:14
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#114
by
Josh_from_Canada
on 17 Jun, 2022 22:51
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#115
by
Josh_from_Canada
on 17 Jun, 2022 22:59
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Live Stream
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#116
by
zubenelgenubi
on 17 Jun, 2022 22:59
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SpaceX mission page
https://www.spacex.com/launches/sarah-1/
Confirms first stage 1071.3.
No mention of secondary payloads. But, there's also no spacecraft separation time (or times) given in the after launch timeline--which would otherwise be an indication of one or more payloads.
Will there be a webcast view of the spacecraft from the appropriately-pointed rocketcams aboard? (Fairing separation through spacecraft separation)
Are there NOTAMs and/or NOTMARs for this launch? Particularly, when and where is the second stage disposal?
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#117
by
Conexion Espacial
on 17 Jun, 2022 23:09
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#118
by
Conexion Espacial
on 17 Jun, 2022 23:18
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#119
by
Ken the Bin
on 18 Jun, 2022 00:05
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Are there NOTAMs and/or NOTMARs for this launch? Particularly, when and where is the second stage disposal?
The stuff that comes out of the western range is such a pile that it's very difficult to tell what is what.
This NGA notice
might be for second stage reentry. I'm no map expert and I don't know how to plot all of these coordinates to see what the actual area looks like.
160623Z JUN 22
NAVAREA XII 386/22(83).
EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS, SPACE DEBRIS
1503Z TO 1722Z DAILY 18 THRU 24 JUN
IN AREA BOUND BY
15-38.00N 150-24.00W, 15-15.00N 148-42.00W,
06-33.00N 150-43.00W, 06-57.00N 152-26.00W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 241822Z JUN 22.//
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#120
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 01:05
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#121
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 01:08
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#122
by
OneSpeed
on 18 Jun, 2022 07:29
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Are there NOTAMs and/or NOTMARs for this launch? Particularly, when and where is the second stage disposal?
The stuff that comes out of the western range is such a pile that it's very difficult to tell what is what.
This NGA notice might be for second stage reentry. I'm no map expert and I don't know how to plot all of these coordinates to see what the actual area looks like.
The area looks feasible for a single orbit re-entry from Vandenberg at 98° inclination. It's about 1,000km south-east of the big island. I have no idea how to sort through that pile.
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#123
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 09:38
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LHA map for #SARah-1 mission from VSFB SLC-4E NET 18 Jun 14:19 UTC, altern. 19-24 Jun based on issued NOTMAR/NOTAM messages. LZ-4 landing for B1071.3, estimated fairing recovery ~391km downrange. Stage2 debris reentry in Pacific Ocean on the second orbit.
https://twitter.com/Raul74Cz/status/1538005206146789377
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#124
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 09:40
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#125
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 09:41
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#126
by
soltasto
on 18 Jun, 2022 09:50
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"Press kit" capture with OCR
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#127
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 10:03
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#128
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 10:13
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#129
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 11:35
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T-minus 3 hours. A German military satellite is set to ride a SpaceX rocket to orbit today from Vandenberg Space Force Base.
Launch is set for 7:19am PDT (10:19am EDT; 1419 GMT), and the Falcon 9 booster will land back at Vandenberg eight minutes later.
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1538119323331579907
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#130
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 11:40
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#131
by
SpaceFinnOriginal
on 18 Jun, 2022 12:27
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T-minus 3 hours. A German military satellite is set to ride a SpaceX rocket to orbit today from Vandenberg Space Force Base.
Launch is set for 7:19am PDT (10:19am EDT; 1419 GMT), and the Falcon 9 booster will land back at Vandenberg eight minutes later.
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1538119323331579907
Can anyone post the mission patch I see here on the faring?
What are the coat-of-arms on the sides of Bundesvehr insignia?
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#132
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 18 Jun, 2022 13:02
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#133
by
Conexion Espacial
on 18 Jun, 2022 13:27
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#134
by
Conexion Espacial
on 18 Jun, 2022 13:32
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#135
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 18 Jun, 2022 14:21
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#136
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 18 Jun, 2022 14:29
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#137
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 18 Jun, 2022 14:30
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#138
by
markbike528cbx
on 18 Jun, 2022 14:37
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I thought I heard a callout for "stage 1 FTS is safed " just before landing burn. Is this correct?
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#139
by
Herb Schaltegger
on 18 Jun, 2022 14:59
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I thought I heard a callout for "stage 1 FTS is safed " just before landing burn. Is this correct?
Yes. It’s a standard call for all landing attempts. Basically, once stage guidance has converged and the CEP of the landing ellipse has shrunken down enough that any debris from a failed landing will be contained within the restricted keep-out area, there’s no point in using FTS in case of a failure. Better to just let the stage crash.
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#140
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 15:03
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#141
by
SPKirsch
on 18 Jun, 2022 15:12
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#142
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 15:32
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#143
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 15:38
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#144
by
Conexion Espacial
on 18 Jun, 2022 15:43
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#145
by
SPKirsch
on 18 Jun, 2022 15:56
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https://twitter.com/BaainBw/status/1538183597055545344Google Translate:
"Payload deployment": Next important step for our #SARah #satellite 🛰 The satellite is separated from the #rocket and is flying in #space
We are now waiting for the first contact between the satellite and the ground station
@cirbw @BMVg_Bundeswehr @Team_Luftwaffe @unibw_m
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#146
by
SPKirsch
on 18 Jun, 2022 16:21
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#147
by
gongora
on 18 Jun, 2022 16:56
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The Airbus press release posted upthread had the four ton value.
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#148
by
cpushack
on 18 Jun, 2022 16:57
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I thought I heard a callout for "stage 1 FTS is safed " just before landing burn. Is this correct?
That call was actually Stage 2 FTS safed, and probably was not meant to be broadcast.
It was also followed by Stage 2 Terminal Guidance, meaning that was right about when Stage 2 had made it to its orbit and was about time for SECO (around T + 8 minutes
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#149
by
Herb Schaltegger
on 18 Jun, 2022 17:06
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I thought I heard a callout for "stage 1 FTS is safed " just before landing burn. Is this correct?
That call was actually Stage 2 FTS safed, and probably was not meant to be broadcast.
It was also followed by Stage 2 Terminal Guidance, meaning that was right about when Stage 2 had made it to its orbit and was about time for SECO (around T + 8 minutes
Incorrect. Go back and watch again (about 22:04 in the video, about T+7:07 or so). There was (and usually is) a "Stage 1 FTS is safed" callout.
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#150
by
SPKirsch
on 18 Jun, 2022 17:30
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https://mobile.twitter.com/BaainBw/status/1538207134105538560Google Translate:
Update 🛰 #SARah #Satellite sends first sign of life, all (sub)systems are working. Contact has been made with the global ground station network. Next, the satellite is placed in the target orbit. @cirbw @BMVg_Bundeswehr @Team_Luftwaffe @bundeswehrInfo #Procurement running
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#151
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 18 Jun, 2022 17:42
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#152
by
JayWee
on 18 Jun, 2022 17:48
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I thought I heard a callout for "stage 1 FTS is safed " just before landing burn. Is this correct?
That call was actually Stage 2 FTS safed, and probably was not meant to be broadcast.
It was also followed by Stage 2 Terminal Guidance, meaning that was right about when Stage 2 had made it to its orbit and was about time for SECO (around T + 8 minutes
Incorrect. Go back and watch again (about 22:04 in the video, about T+7:07 or so). There was (and usually is) a "Stage 1 FTS is safed" callout.
They were both
T+7:06 - Stage 1 FTS is safed
T+7:43 - Stage 2 FTS is safed
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#153
by
AC in NC
on 18 Jun, 2022 17:52
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I thought I heard a callout for "stage 1 FTS is safed " just before landing burn. Is this correct?
That call was actually Stage 2 FTS safed, and probably was not meant to be broadcast.
It was also followed by Stage 2 Terminal Guidance, meaning that was right about when Stage 2 had made it to its orbit and was about time for SECO (around T + 8 minutes
Incorrect:
Broadcast Cued Up to T+7:06"Stage 1 FTS is safed" at T+7:06 before Landing Burn
"Stage 2 FTS is safed" at T+7:41 after Landing Burn
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#154
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 23:41
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#155
by
Rondaz
on 18 Jun, 2022 23:51
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#156
by
OneSpeed
on 18 Jun, 2022 23:56
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Here is the webcast telemetry from the SAHra-1 mission, as well as a comparison with the NROL-87 mission telemetry.
1. Both SAHra-1 and NROL-87 showed the first stage telemetry only.
2. The first image includes processing of the screen data to provide additional information. E.g. the downrange distance measured was a maximum of 76.7km, and was within a kilometre of the launch site at landing.
3. The second image shows that SAHra-1 had less loft than NROL-87, and returned to the landing zone some 15 seconds earlier.
4. The third image from the mission control audio shows the booster at apogee.
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#157
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 19 Jun, 2022 00:26
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#158
by
Rondaz
on 19 Jun, 2022 01:12
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#159
by
Lewis007
on 19 Jun, 2022 04:19
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#160
by
FutureSpaceTourist
on 19 Jun, 2022 20:18
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#161
by
Rondaz
on 20 Jun, 2022 01:21
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#162
by
SPKirsch
on 20 Jun, 2022 01:59
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#163
by
Rondaz
on 20 Jun, 2022 09:59
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#164
by
Rondaz
on 20 Jun, 2022 10:33
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#165
by
Rondaz
on 22 Jun, 2022 10:44
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#166
by
Rondaz
on 23 Jun, 2022 18:16
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#167
by
Rondaz
on 29 Jun, 2022 20:09
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The German radar spy satellite SARah-1 was tracked by Space Force in a 745 x 748 km sun-sync orbit until Jun 23. With no new orbital data since then, it appears that the satellite orbit is now secret and we'll have to depend on hobbyist observers to track it.
https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1542237606494224386
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#168
by
SPKirsch
on 29 Jun, 2022 20:38
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#169
by
GWR64
on 06 Oct, 2023 14:29
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https://www.ohb.de/en/news/federal-armed-forces-start-operational-use-of-the-satellite-based-reconnaissance-system-sarah-with-the-first-satelliteFederal Armed Forces start operational use of the satellite-based reconnaissance system SARah with the first satellite
Bremen, 5. October 2023 - This week, the operational part of the national reconnaissance system SARah began with the phased array subsystem. This means that the first of a total of three satellites in the constellation is already in partial use and transmitting data to the ground stations belonging to the system. The phased array subsystem was realised by Airbus Defence and Space in Immenstaad as the main subcontractor. The entire SARah system is being realised by the prime contractor OHB System in Bremen.
The first satellite was launched on 18 June 2022 with a Falcon 9 launcher, reached its target orbit shortly afterwards and successfully passed the verification of its performance. The German Federal Armed Forces can now integrate this satellite into their military reconnaissance activities in addition to their current five SAR-Lupe satellites from OHB.
The SARah satellites represent an improved global and weather-independent reconnaissance capability for the Federal Armed Forces.
The two SARah radar satellites realized by OHB are currently close to completion and will also be launched into their target orbit in the near future. These are based on a further development of the reflector technology of the SAR-Lupe constellation. SAR-Lupe is the Federal Armed Forces' first space-based reconnaissance system and has been operated by OHB System in cooperation with OHB Digital Connect for 15 years.
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#170
by
osiossim
on 29 Jun, 2024 10:39
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https://www.ohb.de/en/news/federal-armed-forces-start-operational-use-of-the-satellite-based-reconnaissance-system-sarah-with-the-first-satellite
Federal Armed Forces start operational use of the satellite-based reconnaissance system SARah with the first satellite
Bremen, 5. October 2023 - This week, the operational part of the national reconnaissance system SARah began with the phased array subsystem. This means that the first of a total of three satellites in the constellation is already in partial use and transmitting data to the ground stations belonging to the system. The phased array subsystem was realised by Airbus Defence and Space in Immenstaad as the main subcontractor. The entire SARah system is being realised by the prime contractor OHB System in Bremen.
The first satellite was launched on 18 June 2022 with a Falcon 9 launcher, reached its target orbit shortly afterwards and successfully passed the verification of its performance. The German Federal Armed Forces can now integrate this satellite into their military reconnaissance activities in addition to their current five SAR-Lupe satellites from OHB.
The SARah satellites represent an improved global and weather-independent reconnaissance capability for the Federal Armed Forces.
The two SARah radar satellites realized by OHB are currently close to completion and will also be launched into their target orbit in the near future. These are based on a further development of the reflector technology of the SAR-Lupe constellation. SAR-Lupe is the Federal Armed Forces' first space-based reconnaissance system and has been operated by OHB System in cooperation with OHB Digital Connect for 15 years.
OHB made Sarah couple are not working
https://www.rnd.de/politik/bundeswehr-die-neuen-sarah-aufklaerungssatelliten-funktionieren-nicht-4YT4KBCDUJLATE2ZDTJT4YWY54.html
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