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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #340 on: 05/24/2014 12:59 am »
Well, in light of this development:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34810.0

either AV pursues a new engine it can acquire quickly, like TR-107, or CST-100 will be looking for a new ride.

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #341 on: 05/24/2014 03:09 pm »
CST isn't a national security satellite.

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #342 on: 05/24/2014 04:20 pm »
CST isn't a national security satellite.

True but do you believe there will be a contract extension and Atlas V continuing to fly unaltered for civil payloads when military payloads have switched?

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #343 on: 05/24/2014 05:23 pm »
Nope - that is a good point.

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #344 on: 05/28/2014 11:30 pm »
Well, in light of this development:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34810.0

either AV pursues a new engine it can acquire quickly, like TR-107, or CST-100 will be looking for a new ride.

That only applies to *future* contracts. LM reportedly has 15 engines in hand and something like 30 on order under the existing contracts.

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #345 on: 05/29/2014 12:23 am »
CST isn't a national security satellite.

True but do you believe there will be a contract extension and Atlas V continuing to fly unaltered for civil payloads when military payloads have switched?

yes,

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #346 on: 06/09/2014 10:58 pm »
Looks like Boeing is going for some press coverage

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-boeing-space-capsule-20140609,0,5583321.story

Anyone near get us some close-ups?

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #347 on: 06/12/2014 10:50 am »
Found some more pics and story ..

http://d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/IMG_0631_2a_CST-100_Ken-Kremer.jpg

http://www.universetoday.com/105587/boeing-unveils-commercial-cst-100-space-taxi-to-launch-us-astronauts-to-space-from-us-soil/

"The vehicle includes five recliner seats, a hatch and windows, the pilots control console with several attached Samsung tablets for crew interfaces with wireless internet,'



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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #348 on: 06/12/2014 10:58 am »
"full scale mockup..."
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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #349 on: 06/12/2014 02:55 pm »
Sen. Nelson was there, giving a speech and crawling inside the mockup, which the reporter described as "America’s next spaceship destined to carry humans". 

Were any U.S. Senators at the SpaceX unveiling?

 - Ed Kyle
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Is it just me, or the distribution of the interior is very unusual?

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #351 on: 06/12/2014 03:19 pm »

"The vehicle includes five recliner seats, [...]"


Second reference to 5 seats in Commercial Crew CST-100.

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #352 on: 06/13/2014 12:10 am »
Sen. Nelson was there, giving a speech and crawling inside the mockup, which the reporter described as "America’s next spaceship destined to carry humans". 

Were any U.S. Senators at the SpaceX unveiling?

 - Ed Kyle

IIRC this mockup's been seen so it wasn't really an unveiling.

Several key congressmen from committees that matter, along with Sen. Nelson & Sen. Heinrich, were at the DC event.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/spacex_brings_crew_vehicle_to_dc-233747-1.html

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Technocrat spotted at the event Reps. Chaka Fattah, D-Pa., Mike Honda, D-Calif., and Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., and Sens. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., and Martin Heinrich, D-N.M. Nearly all sit on committees that set policy or draft spending bills for NASA. The House Intelligence panel’s ranking Democrat, Maryland’s C.A. “Dutch” Ruppersberger, was also spotted.
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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #353 on: 06/17/2014 04:19 pm »
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KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. — Hoping for the best, but preparing for defeat, Boeing will send out about 215 potential layoff notices to employees currently working on its NASA CST-100 Commercial Crew program.

The 60-day notices, required under the federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN), are due to be distributed on June 20 to about 170 employees in Houston and 45 in Florida in case Boeing is not selected for an upcoming Commercial Crew Transportation Capability (CCtCap) contract, Boeing spokesman Adam Morgan told SpaceNews.

“It’s just a standard way … to minimize potential business impact,” added John Mulholland, Boeing Commercial Crew program manager.

http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/40931boeing-preparing-layoff-notices-in-case-of-commercial-crew-loss

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #354 on: 06/17/2014 04:27 pm »
I don't think too much can be read into the WARN notices except that the people working on the CST-100 don't have immediate alternative internal job opportunities if they aren't awarded a CCtCap contract.

This is a good reminder though that we are getting closer to a decision...
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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #355 on: 06/17/2014 04:39 pm »
I don't think too much can be read into the WARN notices except that the people working on the CST-100 don't have immediate alternative internal job opportunities if they aren't awarded a CCtCap contract.

you can read into it the truth, the program was built on sandy soil.    Remember "commercial" was to be a partner in the costs, and help carry the program.  When SpaceX says the taxpayer is covering 80% of the costs of Dragon, & this announcement it just goes show the programs problems.  Just saying
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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #356 on: 06/17/2014 05:09 pm »
I don't think too much can be read into the WARN notices except that the people working on the CST-100 don't have immediate alternative internal job opportunities if they aren't awarded a CCtCap contract.

you can read into it the truth, the program was built on sandy soil.    Remember "commercial" was to be a partner in the costs, and help carry the program.  When SpaceX says the taxpayer is covering 80% of the costs of Dragon, & this announcement it just goes show the programs problems.  Just saying

It also shows Boeing has little faith in Bigelow and is unwilling to continue development on the CST-100 on it's own dime.  Both SpaceX and SNC have stated they will keep development going.
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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #357 on: 06/17/2014 05:12 pm »
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KENNEDY SPACE CENTER, Fla. — Hoping for the best, but preparing for defeat, Boeing will send out about 215 potential layoff notices to employees currently working on its NASA CST-100 Commercial Crew program.

The 60-day notices, required under the federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN), are due to be distributed on June 20 to about 170 employees in Houston and 45 in Florida in case Boeing is not selected for an upcoming Commercial Crew Transportation Capability (CCtCap) contract, Boeing spokesman Adam Morgan told SpaceNews.

“It’s just a standard way … to minimize potential business impact,” added John Mulholland, Boeing Commercial Crew program manager.

http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/40931boeing-preparing-layoff-notices-in-case-of-commercial-crew-loss
After reading that article, were is Boeing's commercial market they were to have?
So no tax payer money, then no CST-100 from Boeing?

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #358 on: 06/17/2014 06:09 pm »
From the article:
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The 60-day notices, required under the federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN), are due to be distributed on June 20 to about 170 employees in Houston and 45 in Florida in case Boeing is not selected for an upcoming Commercial Crew Transportation Capability (CCtCap) contract, Boeing spokesman Adam Morgan told SpaceNews.
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Mulholland said “several hundred” employees currently work on the CST-100 program, including just under 100 in Florida.

So not everyone involved is getting a notice. I'm not sure if that signifies plans for any ongoing investment in CST-100 if they lose the contract. It could be that everyone not getting a notice has a potential assignment on another project.

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Re: Boeing's CST-100 capsule updates & discussion THREAD 2
« Reply #359 on: 06/17/2014 06:19 pm »
Or it's a targeted PR move aimed at  congresscritters to spook their way into a slot; 'select us or a lot of your constituents lose their jobs.'
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