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#440
by
arachnitect
on 24 Jun, 2014 00:40
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http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2538/1Good review of the latest CST-100 event and status of the program in general. Worth reading.
Assuming Boeing does win a contract from NASA to provide launch services for its astronauts and international crew members to the International Space Station, Boeing and ULA state the first launch (no crew) will take place early in 2017, with the first crewed mission commanded by Christopher Ferguson to take place mid-2017. Boeing’s goal is to have the first mission dock to the ISS, not merely make an approach.
-OPF-3 engine shop refurbishment complete, shuttle processing area still being renovated.
-Crew access tower design "96% complete"
-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
-Boeing wants to sell tourist excursions to ISS via Space Adventures.
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#441
by
QuantumG
on 24 Jun, 2014 00:44
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“We’ve got a great relationship with Space Adventures,” John Mulholland told Space News in November of 2012. “I love the idea of flying people up to the International Space Station. It brings additional awareness to all the good things that are being done on the space station. You build advocacy. So we really hope to be able to partner with Space Adventures and NASA to fly customers in extra seats to the International Space Station.”
Good to hear. Shame we haven't heard it recently.
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#442
by
newpylong
on 24 Jun, 2014 01:04
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http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2538/1
Good review of the latest CST-100 event and status of the program in general. Worth reading.
Assuming Boeing does win a contract from NASA to provide launch services for its astronauts and international crew members to the International Space Station, Boeing and ULA state the first launch (no crew) will take place early in 2017, with the first crewed mission commanded by Christopher Ferguson to take place mid-2017. Boeing’s goal is to have the first mission dock to the ISS, not merely make an approach.
-OPF-3 engine shop refurbishment complete, shuttle processing area still being renovated.
-Crew access tower design "96% complete"
-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
-Boeing wants to sell tourist excursions to ISS via Space Adventures.
Nice find! Great info on a fairly reclusive program. I wish there was enough money for all 3 vendors because they are all pretty exciting.
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#443
by
arachnitect
on 24 Jun, 2014 01:16
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“We’ve got a great relationship with Space Adventures,” John Mulholland told Space News in November of 2012. “I love the idea of flying people up to the International Space Station. It brings additional awareness to all the good things that are being done on the space station. You build advocacy. So we really hope to be able to partner with Space Adventures and NASA to fly customers in extra seats to the International Space Station.”
Good to hear. Shame we haven't heard it recently.
References to a 5th seat in CST imply that Boeing is protecting the option.
Not only would a tourist seat require NASA's approval, on a $ per kg. basis NASA cargo is pretty lucrative.
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#444
by
edkyle99
on 24 Jun, 2014 02:11
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-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
But wait. Solid rocket motors are far too dangerous for human launches. There will be vibrations that will shake the crew to death, and those motors are far too skinny (the rocket will surely tip over), and when the rocket blows up chucks of the solids will set the parachutes on fire. This is all Griffin's fault. Etc. ........
Appropriate metacommunicative pictorial representation of a facial expression goes here.
- Ed Kyle
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#445
by
Jim
on 24 Jun, 2014 02:27
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But wait. ....snip... There will be vibrations that will shake the crew to death, and......snip ......, and when the rocket blows up chucks of the solids will set the parachutes on fire. This is all Griffin's fault. Etc. ........
Those all happen to be true for a particular vehicle, so what is your point?
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#446
by
TrevorMonty
on 24 Jun, 2014 02:55
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http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2538/1
Good review of the latest CST-100 event and status of the program in general. Worth reading.
Assuming Boeing does win a contract from NASA to provide launch services for its astronauts and international crew members to the International Space Station, Boeing and ULA state the first launch (no crew) will take place early in 2017, with the first crewed mission commanded by Christopher Ferguson to take place mid-2017. Boeing’s goal is to have the first mission dock to the ISS, not merely make an approach.
-OPF-3 engine shop refurbishment complete, shuttle processing area still being renovated.
-Crew access tower design "96% complete"
-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
-Boeing wants to sell tourist excursions to ISS via Space Adventures.
Thanks for the link.
Sounds like Boeing are in this for long haul, especially as they are also targeting Bigelow's customers. Would be interesting to know how many commercial customers Bigelow has.
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#447
by
happyflower
on 24 Jun, 2014 03:08
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#448
by
Star One
on 24 Jun, 2014 05:21
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Good article and this confirms that they are looking beyond ISS for commercial human space flight which some have doubted.
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#449
by
Elmar Moelzer
on 24 Jun, 2014 14:38
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-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
This part bothers me a lot. Is the CST 100 really that heavy?
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#450
by
Prober
on 24 Jun, 2014 15:12
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-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
This part bothers me a lot. Is the CST 100 really that heavy?
think 5-9 passengers
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#451
by
Prober
on 24 Jun, 2014 15:23
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http://www.thespacereview.com/article/2538/1
Good review of the latest CST-100 event and status of the program in general. Worth reading.
Assuming Boeing does win a contract from NASA to provide launch services for its astronauts and international crew members to the International Space Station, Boeing and ULA state the first launch (no crew) will take place early in 2017, with the first crewed mission commanded by Christopher Ferguson to take place mid-2017. Boeing’s goal is to have the first mission dock to the ISS, not merely make an approach.
-OPF-3 engine shop refurbishment complete, shuttle processing area still being renovated.
-Crew access tower design "96% complete"
-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
-Boeing wants to sell tourist excursions to ISS via Space Adventures.
more interesting:
Senator Nelson spoke next. “This is a celebration of a public-private partnership. We are at the dawn of a new era,” he said. He suggested NASA could support more than one company in the next phase of the commercial crew program if it receives the $805 million proposed by the Senate. “That’s enough money for NASA to do the competition for at least two companies, and maybe more,” he said. “That, of course, is up to NASA as they evaluate all the proposals.”
down select to one would give you what? A faster program, or a complete program?
Run some thinking SpaceX DV2 needs 4-500 million to complete with 80% paid by NASA
Boeing?
SNC ?
Would love to know the numbers.
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#452
by
Malderi
on 24 Jun, 2014 16:16
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Always thought originally baselining the Atlas 402 was a good idea. Gives you a lot of room for growth. A few years ago it was the 412, now the 422, and they've got an easy trade path (money for mass) if they need to grow more.
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#453
by
SWGlassPit
on 25 Jun, 2014 16:08
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This really bothered me. I understand prepare for the worst hope for the best, but there is such a thing as crushing the spirit of the engineers.
http://nasawatch.com/archives/2014/06/boeing-wont-bui.html
Of course there would be layoffs. Outside of NASA, there is no commercially viable market to transport people to LEO for the reasonably foreseeable future. Why spend money on a product with no near-term customers? I really don't understand why people are shocked by this.
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#454
by
Lar
on 25 Jun, 2014 18:23
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A little less armwaving and chainyanking please. Trimmed.
A note: Disagreeing with mod actions is allowed. You do so by doing a "report to moderator" or by PMing Chris.... he holds all of our briefs and if he thinks one of us screwed up he lets us know in no uncertain terms....
You do NOT do so on forum, and especially not in a way that casts aspersions on others. Posts doing so get removed, usually with no explanation.
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#455
by
sghill
on 25 Jun, 2014 19:21
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This really bothered me. I understand prepare for the worst hope for the best, but there is such a thing as crushing the spirit of the engineers.
http://nasawatch.com/archives/2014/06/boeing-wont-bui.html
Of course there would be layoffs. Outside of NASA, there is no commercially viable market to transport people to LEO for the reasonably foreseeable future. Why spend money on a product with no near-term customers? I really don't understand why people are shocked by this.
No kidding. Boeing is a big boy. It's used to this game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-32Fast forward to 1:47:00 if you want to watch the tears and cheers.
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#456
by
Prober
on 27 Jun, 2014 12:33
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#457
by
sghill
on 02 Jul, 2014 17:50
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#458
by
Elmar Moelzer
on 03 Jul, 2014 13:31
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-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
This part bothers me a lot. Is the CST 100 really that heavy?
think 5-9 passengers
So assuming that they baselined for 5 passengers, then we still only have about 400kg more weight (assuming weight for people, extra chairs, spacesuits, etc) for 9 people. This still sounds to me like their capsule is very heavy for what it does (and compared to Dragon v2).
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#459
by
arachnitect
on 03 Jul, 2014 18:14
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-Confirms AV 422 (2 SRBs)
This part bothers me a lot. Is the CST 100 really that heavy?
think 5-9 passengers
So assuming that they baselined for 5 passengers, then we still only have about 400kg more weight (assuming weight for people, extra chairs, spacesuits, etc) for 9 people. This still sounds to me like their capsule is very heavy for what it does (and compared to Dragon v2).
Do you have mass numbers for the two spacecraft, or are you going off LV performance?
F9 does far more kg to ISS orbit than AV421 (don't know how much extra performance the Dual Centaur adds, but I doubt it adds 3000kg).