Obviously because after nominal flight the engines shut down anyway. But quick restart after shutdown probably not, need to change out new diaphragms.
But here's a potential silly question: is the Proton held down at all with clamps or is it just supported from below, free to lift up whenever T/W hits >1? Somehow I got the impression that the lift-off signal just results when Proton pulls some final plug off on the way up.
I know there are some issues with Encyclopedia Astronautica, but did an abort happen in 1979?Gunter, you also have it listed?http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_det/proton-k.htmhttp://www.astronautix.com/craft/tksva.htm#chrono
Quote from: Stan Black on 07/05/2013 08:59 amI know there are some issues with Encyclopedia Astronautica, but did an abort happen in 1979?Gunter, you also have it listed?http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_det/proton-k.htmhttp://www.astronautix.com/craft/tksva.htm#chrono Stan a thought, how long was this Proton sitting in a warehouse?
But here's a potential silly question: is the Proton held down at all with clamps or is it just supported from below, free to lift up whenever T/W hits >1?
No, Proton is not held down. At T-1.6 (T-1.75 by ILS guide) engines are started at 10% (40%) thrust. At that time a shutdown and abort is possible. At T-0.2 (T-0.15) engines are commanded by the onboard controller to reach 100% and the rocket lifts off. At T+ some small amount, I don't remember exactly, engines are (un-)throttled up to 107%.
Quote from: zaitcev on 07/05/2013 09:42 pmNo, Proton is not held down. At T-1.6 (T-1.75 by ILS guide) engines are started at 10% (40%) thrust. At that time a shutdown and abort is possible. At T-0.2 (T-0.15) engines are commanded by the onboard controller to reach 100% and the rocket lifts off. At T+ some small amount, I don't remember exactly, engines are (un-)throttled up to 107%.Does that mean, once it passes the initial startup and decides everything is healthy at 10%, the 100% point is commanded and you are committed to some sort of flight? Sorry if I'm being dense, but does that mean it passed the initial health check then on the way to 100% the temperature spike and engine problems where noticed and everything past that point can be ignored in the analysis?
At approximately T-1.75 s, the six Stage 1 RD-276 engines are commanded to start at 40% of full thrust. Full thrust is commanded at T-0.15 s. Lift-off confirmation is signalled at T+0.5 s. The staged ignition sequence allows verification that all engines are functioning nominally before being committed to launch. The LV executes a roll manoeuvre beginning at T+10 s to align the flight azimuth to the desired direction.
The six Stage 1 RD-253 engines are ignited at approximately T-1.6 sec. and are commanded to 40% of nominal thrust. Thrust is increased to 100% at T-0 sec. Liftoff confirmation is signaled at T+0.5 sec. The staged ignition sequence allows verification that all engines are functioning nominally before being committed to launch. The launch vehicle executes a roll maneuver beginning at T+10 sec. to align the flight azimuth to the desired direction.
После набора готовности к пуску приблизительно за 1,75 с (Т -1,75 с) до запуска включаются шесть двигателей первой ступени РД-276 и набирают 107% тяги в момент подачи сигнала "Контакт подъема" (КП), через 6 секунд полёта тяга возрастает до 112 % от номинала. Подтверждение сигнала КП поступает в момент Т + 0,5 с. Ступенчатая последовательность включения позволяет получить подтверждение нормального функционирования всех двигателей до запуска. Траектория полета РН имеет начальный вертикальный участок продолжительностью около 10 секунд. Далее ракета выполняет маневр по крену для установления азимута полета в требуемом направлении.
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130705/182078855/Russia-Will-Launch-Space-Freighter-on-Schedule--Roscosmos.htmlria say field hardware control system
Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 07/05/2013 12:35 amWithin a few seconds the rocket lost roll control and at least 1 (some say 2) of the engines.Gimbal control may have been lost on one or more engines, but they were all running until shortly before crash, when the Proton was upside down. Several images show this.
Within a few seconds the rocket lost roll control and at least 1 (some say 2) of the engines.
As we are on the topic of hydrazine cleanup: Yesterday, there was a hydrazine leak from a freight train in Germany. 20 people hospitalized.http://www.rbb-online.de/nachrichten/vermischtes/2013_07/Brandenburg_Potsdam_Mittelmark_Seddiner_See_Kesselwagen_Hydrazin.htmlI don't know how often hydrazine accidents occur in a non-spaceflight context ...(edited grammar)
There's talk of a 200-meter crater. I consider that to be credible. But I want pictures!!The crash of a much SMALLER rocket with identical fuel, in 2006,created a football-field-sized crater -- and MSNBC had EXCLUSIVE private photographs from a source at the launch site. See http://www.nbcnews.com/id/14346394/
Quote from: Prober on 07/05/2013 08:37 pmQuote from: Stan Black on 07/05/2013 08:59 amI know there are some issues with Encyclopedia Astronautica, but did an abort happen in 1979?Gunter, you also have it listed?http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau_det/proton-k.htmhttp://www.astronautix.com/craft/tksva.htm#chrono Stan a thought, how long was this Proton sitting in a warehouse? If you are talking about the one that just failed, all I have to work off is the long serial number which has 51 as the middle digits. At a guess I’d say it was to be completed by the second half of 2011 (or possibly 2010). That would tie in with it being for the original blok 47 in 2012. Still within the warranty period. The rocket for blok 54 in 2015 is to be delivered in 2014. Also surprising that they are still producing what appears to be a Phase I Proton-M albeit with RD-276.http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=17568.msg1069535#msg1069535http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=3232479http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=30175.msg1069578#msg1069578
Proton-M crash was due to human error - source (Part 2)MOSCOW. July 9 (Interfax-AVN) - The crash of a Proton-M rocket shortly after take off on July 2 was due to a human error, a source close to experts probing the accident told Interfax-AVN."The angular velocity sensors were wired up with the wrong polarity. Therefore, the rocket was orientated incorrectly," he said.A Proton-M carrier rocket with three GLONASS-M satellites blasted off from Site 81 at the Baikonur cosmodrome on July 2. It veered off trajectory shortly after launch, exploded and fell apart. The wreckage came down not far from the launch site.The project to make the rocket and three GLONASS satellites, and to prepare their launch cost Russia about 4.4 billion rubles.Launch services with the use of Proton-M rockets and Briz-M upper stages are provided by the ILS company. Proton-M rockets and Briz-M upper stages are manufactured by the Khrunichev space center.Source: http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?pg=2&id=429110