Author Topic: LIVE: Sea Launch - Eutelsat 3B - May 26, 2014 (2110UTC) (Read 69122 times)

russianhalo117 · « **Reply #140 on:** 05/27/2014 12:47 am »

Quote from: averagespacejoe on 05/26/2014 11:57 pm

This is probably a dumb question but why does a completed Sea Launch flight count toward the number of Russian orbital launches. I understand Russia owns a majority stake (85%ish) of Sea Launch but doesn't Ukraine still build the Zenit why doesn't Ukraine get credit.

Zenit was developed in USSR for RFSR based space program thus they consider it as theirs.

edkyle99 · « **Reply #141 on:** 05/27/2014 12:51 am »

Quote from: averagespacejoe on 05/26/2014 11:57 pm

This is probably a dumb question but why does a completed Sea Launch flight count toward the number of Russian orbital launches. I understand Russia owns a majority stake (85%ish) of Sea Launch but doesn't Ukraine still build the Zenit why doesn't Ukraine get credit.

I keep two lists of launches by country or region on my web site. One shows them by builder of the first or core stage, in this case Ukraine. The other shows launch totals by builder of the upper stage, in this case Russia. Antares is split in a similar fashion between Ukraine and U.S.A..

So, if you think Antares is a U.S. rocket, than Sea Launch Zenit is a Russian rocket. If Ukrainian, Ukraine. If you're just confused, perhaps we could just call these "International" rockets and be done with it!

- Ed Kyle

baldusi · « **Reply #142 on:** 05/27/2014 01:24 am »

Both Antares and Zenit first stage are made in Ukraine but propulsion is Russian. So if you take total cost it can go anyways. In Antares case, the avionics, TVC and integrator are al USA. In Zenit case is all Ukrainian. And the second stage of Zenit is also 100% Ukrainian. It was still a Soviet design with a lot of Russian content plus Russian ownership. In fact, Ukraine can't sell you a launch on Sea Launch (nor Land Launch, as I understand it). As much as Russia is usually taken as the continuation of the CCCP, Zenit is a Russian launch.

robertross · « **Reply #143 on:** 05/27/2014 01:49 am »

A huge shout-out of congrats to the teams for this successful launch. Hopefully many more to come!
Thanks for the coverage.

averagespacejoe · « **Reply #144 on:** 05/27/2014 01:49 am »

Really awesome and insightful replies. Before the Russian's bought more stake they were labeled International for statistical purposes on Wikipedia and other space blogs. Thanks for the info. It would be pretty cool for the Ukraine to build an indigenous rocket they could launch from their own soil.

baldusi · « **Reply #145 on:** 05/27/2014 02:30 am »

Quote from: averagespacejoe on 05/27/2014 01:49 am

Really awesome and insightful replies. Before the Russian's bought more stake they were labeled International for statistical purposes on Wikipedia and other space blogs. Thanks for the info. It would be pretty cool for the Ukraine to build an indigenous rocket they could launch from their own soil.

They are land locked, so they can't. But the Cyclone-4 is 100% made in Ukraine. It might launch from Brazil, but the rocket and the GSE is 100% Ukrainian.

jcm · « **Reply #146 on:** 05/27/2014 03:30 am »

Quote from: baldusi on 05/27/2014 01:24 am

Both Antares and Zenit first stage are made in Ukraine but propulsion is Russian. So if you take total cost it can go anyways. In Antares case, the avionics, TVC and integrator are al USA. In Zenit case is all Ukrainian. And the second stage of Zenit is also 100% Ukrainian. It was still a Soviet design with a lot of Russian content plus Russian ownership. In fact, Ukraine can't sell you a launch on Sea Launch (nor Land Launch, as I understand it). As much as Russia is usually taken as the continuation of the CCCP, Zenit is a Russian launch.

Yes, I struggle with this. As I understand it launch ops are actually done by ELUS (Energia Logistics US), a US subsidiary
of Energia. And the launch services are sold by Sea Launch AG, based in Switzerland.
So you can make the case for Russia, US or Switzerland as being the launching state. Am I wrong about ELUS? If I am right, should it legally be a US launch? The integration ops are still done in Long Beach.

The one place that isn't a candidate is Ukraine - they only build stages, not the entire 3-stage Zenit-3SL vehicle. Who
integrates the Blok-DM with the Zenit-2S? I guess it is either RKK Energiya or ELUS.

Comments?

jcm · « **Reply #147 on:** 05/27/2014 03:31 am »

oh, and 39774 is cataloged as 2014-030B in a 368 x 35599 km x 0.02 deg orbit.

This suggests the payload is 39773, and some unknown object from another launch
is 39772.

Stan Black · « **Reply #148 on:** 05/27/2014 05:42 am »

Quote from: jcm on 05/26/2014 06:18 pm

Quote from: anik on 08/23/2013 08:41 am
http://www.sea-launch.com

A Zenit Quarterly Production Review was completed by Energia Logistics LLC for Zenit # 37 & 38 on August 13 & 14th at the Yuzhnoye/Yuzhmash facilities in Dnepropetrovsk. Two Block-DM-SL's (# 36 & 37) were accepted at RSC Energia Moscow facilities on August 15th.

So Zenit # SL 37 for this mission, and is it DM-SL # 36, do we know??

And it is mission SL51?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=22561.msg1076237#msg1076237

Google found this:-

Quote

05/193 (A1873/14) - AIRSPACE DCC SL-51 SEA LAUNCH STATIONARY ALTITUDE
RESERVATION WITHIN AREA DEFINED AS 0015N15315W TO 0015S15315W TO
0015S15420W 0015N15420W SFC-UNL. 26 MAY 18:09 2014 UNTIL 26 MAY 22:35 2014.
CREATED: 23 MAY 11:51 2014

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #149 on:** 05/27/2014 06:06 am »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 05/26/2014 10:52 pm

Photos:

I am afraid that the second photo is a stock photo.......probably from the XM-4 launch in 2006. (the colors of the Sea Launch logo was what tipped me)

I have seen several of the correct ones elsewhere....but not at full size. Can you try to ask the PAO again? Thanks!

pargoo · « **Reply #150 on:** 05/27/2014 08:05 am »

Did a hi-res launch pic ever appear of Intelsat-27? I ask only because doing a Google|Images search
turns up an image that looks almost identical to the Intelsat-21 launch. The image when zoomed
into has what I'm fairly certain looks like '21' on the shroud, not '27'. It is actually the same image on
the SL site, which frankly I do not trust...

Prober · « **Reply #151 on:** 05/27/2014 11:05 am »

Quote from: jcm on 05/27/2014 03:30 am

Quote from: baldusi on 05/27/2014 01:24 am
Both Antares and Zenit first stage are made in Ukraine but propulsion is Russian. So if you take total cost it can go anyways. In Antares case, the avionics, TVC and integrator are al USA. In Zenit case is all Ukrainian. And the second stage of Zenit is also 100% Ukrainian. It was still a Soviet design with a lot of Russian content plus Russian ownership. In fact, Ukraine can't sell you a launch on Sea Launch (nor Land Launch, as I understand it). As much as Russia is usually taken as the continuation of the CCCP, Zenit is a Russian launch.

Yes, I struggle with this. As I understand it launch ops are actually done by ELUS (Energia Logistics US), a US subsidiary
of Energia. And the launch services are sold by Sea Launch AG, based in Switzerland.
So you can make the case for Russia, US or Switzerland as being the launching state. Am I wrong about ELUS? If I am right, should it legally be a US launch? The integration ops are still done in Long Beach.

The one place that isn't a candidate is Ukraine - they only build stages, not the entire 3-stage Zenit-3SL vehicle. Who
integrates the Blok-DM with the Zenit-2S? I guess it is either RKK Energiya or ELUS.

Comments?

found other questions with this launch. Boeing was listed, thought they were out of SeaLaunch?
Only see Boeing was a fairing supplier.

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #152 on:** 05/27/2014 01:01 pm »

Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 05/27/2014 06:06 am

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 05/26/2014 10:52 pm
Photos:

I am afraid that the second photo is a stock photo.......probably from the XM-4 launch in 2006. (the colors of the Sea Launch logo was what tipped me)

I have seen several of the correct ones elsewhere....but not at full size. Can you try to ask the PAO again? Thanks!