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Sounds like they will be building their own pad for their theoretical tenants then.
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A flight rate of one launch per year of SLS doesn't mean Blue Origin would be able to use the pad 364 days per year.

I think what BO is worried about is if SLS goes out to the pad and sits on it for weeks.

I don't think that's all that likely of a concern.  With Shuttle, yea.  But most if it's payload integration was done at the pad, so processing there took longer.  How long was the typical Saturn V at the pad?  Like two weeks if I remember correctly.  (someone correct me if I'm not remembering that correctly).  SLS's payload will be stacked in the VAB like Saturn V's, so the on pad operations should be much less. 

I think sharing 39B with NASA would be desirable for BO for a few reasons.  The first is it wouldn't require as much initial investment as a new pad (I don't think), so it could be a good first step to see if they can build a solid buisiness model and get enough of a manifest to warrant a dedicated facility. 
That's probably their reasoning for being interesting in 39A as well, less initial investment than a new launch complex.  They'd probably not even do anything to the FSS or RSS, just use a MLP and CT to roll out to 39A like Ares 1X did.  If the FSS/RSS aren't in the way, they could just leave them there.
Or they could build a simple integration facility on the ramp side of the pad and just roll out on a small MLP to the flame trench, and put a flame deflector in so plume won't come out that side, and only come out the other side.
Either way, probably less investment than a new complex.

However, I think SpaceX probably has a better business case than BO (from what little I know about BO) for 39A with legitimate -potential- that LC-40 can't handle it by itself even if it were modified to launch FH too. 
Hard to say how much BO will actually be launching at this point.  If they launch from 39B then really their investment is just modifying an old STS MLP, and modifying one of the high bays in the VAB.
And it sounds liek NASA really wants to attract some commercial partners for 39B so they might be willing to be accomodating to get at least one. 

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Sounds like they will be building their own pad for their theoretical tenants then.

They have options in LC-36A, LC-36B, adn LC-46 operated by Space Florida.  Probably require more investment, but not quite as much as a pad completely from scratch.  And then they'd have their own pad.

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That depends. Does Space Florida plan to manage launches or do they just provide the space?

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That depends. Does Space Florida plan to manage launches or do they just provide the space?

They manage facilities

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That depends. Does Space Florida plan to manage launches or do they just provide the space?

They manage facilities

Is there active management, or just ownership ?

They own the former OPFs, well at least OPF-3, but are sub-leasing the space. Are there any circumstances where they act as more than just the title holder ?

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That depends. Does Space Florida plan to manage launches or do they just provide the space?

They manage facilities

Is there active management, or just ownership ?

They own the former OPFs, well at least OPF-3, but are sub-leasing the space. Are there any circumstances where they act as more than just the title holder ?


The best analogy for Space Floride is that it is like a stadium or sport arena operator/owner.  It doesn't field the team that plays, that is up to another organization.

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So conceivable that Blue Origin on top of Space Florida would not be a conflict of interest ie two landlords/property managers?

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So conceivable that Blue Origin on top of Space Florida would not be a conflict of interest ie two landlords/property managers?

Blue Origin would not be owning anything, they only would be leasing from NASA

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My bad > I was referring to the SF facilities at LC-36 or 46 someone else mentioned a little prior.

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