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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #60 on: 09/05/2013 08:47 pm »
Blue Origin seems to have filed a protest: http://www.gao.gov/docket/B-408823.1. So i assume SpaceX won.

Nice find. heh I wonder if they will now wait for the resolution of the protest before a formal announcement.
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #61 on: 09/05/2013 09:08 pm »
Blue Origin seems to have filed a protest: http://www.gao.gov/docket/B-408823.1. So i assume SpaceX won.

Nice find. heh I wonder if they will now wait for the resolution of the protest before a formal announcement.

I wonder if BO filed for a patent on 39A ...  ;)

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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #62 on: 09/05/2013 09:17 pm »
Blue Origin filing a protest may not speak well for their future relationship with NASA though there have been other famous or infamous protests in the past. Good luck to SpaceX on Pad 39A. maybe ;)
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #63 on: 09/05/2013 09:18 pm »
Blue Origin filing a protest may not speak well for their future relationship with NASA though there have been other famous or infamous protests in the past. Good like to SpaceX on Pad 39. maybe ;)
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #64 on: 09/05/2013 10:22 pm »
If indeed SpaceX has won use of Pad39A, I wonder how long it will take them to integrate the pad and what would be the first launch from there?

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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #65 on: 09/05/2013 10:43 pm »
If indeed SpaceX has won use of Pad39A, I wonder how long it will take them to integrate the pad and what would be the first launch from there?

I would guess a Falcon Heavy. It finally gives them a viable alternative to rebuilding the current pad.
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #66 on: 09/06/2013 03:47 am »
In the procurement world, which this isn't, protests can be filed as early as draft RFP.  I think BO is just covering its bases.
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #68 on: 09/09/2013 10:13 pm »
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NASA believes that the argument for or against one operating concept over another is secondary to the demonstrated capability of any proposer to undertake the financial and technical challenges of assuming an asset of this magnitude.
I think this is the key point, one that Blue Origin has yet to demonstrate.
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #69 on: 09/10/2013 12:28 am »
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NASA believes that the argument for or against one operating concept over another is secondary to the demonstrated capability of any proposer to undertake the financial and technical challenges of assuming an asset of this magnitude.
I think this is the key point, one that Blue Origin has yet to demonstrate.

Really,

When has Blue Origin demonstrated that it does not have the financial resources to get the job done ?
Do you think BO is in-capable of hiring the right managers to operate LC 39A ?? If it was me, I might even find the ex-United Space Alliance folks who used to maintain the pad, and bring them in as consultants. They might just be available.


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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #70 on: 09/10/2013 12:40 am »
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NASA believes that the argument for or against one operating concept over another is secondary to the demonstrated capability of any proposer to undertake the financial and technical challenges of assuming an asset of this magnitude.
I think this is the key point, one that Blue Origin has yet to demonstrate.

Really,

When has Blue Origin demonstrated that it does not have the financial resources to get the job done ?
Do you think BO is in-capable of hiring the right managers to operate LC 39A ?? If it was me, I might even find the ex-United Space Alliance folks who used to maintain the pad, and bring them in as consultants. They might just be available.

It's not they are not capable; it's that they haven't demonstrated the capability.  Say what you will about SpaceX they are now on their 3rd pad not counting what they have done at McGregor.
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #71 on: 09/10/2013 12:55 am »
When has Blue Origin demonstrated that it does not have the financial resources to get the job done ?
Do you think BO is in-capable of hiring the right managers to operate LC 39A ?? If it was me, I might even find the ex-United Space Alliance folks who used to maintain the pad, and bring them in as consultants. They might just be available.

BO does a lot of stuff, I'm sure, but almost all of it is secret. Who knows. SpaceX is actually flying missions - And I do believe that NASA wants LC-39A to be USED rather than just "managed".

What is the point of giving it to BO, if they are just going to turn around and offer it to others? Especially if the only realistic (current) potential customer is not interested in the complexity of flying from a shared pad.

(Not that I necessarily favour SpaceX taking over 39A... Inheriting legacy infrastructure does have its drawbacks, and the launch rate doesn't require another pad yet)

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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #72 on: 09/10/2013 01:29 am »
BO does a lot of stuff, I'm sure, but almost all of it is secret. Who knows. SpaceX is actually flying missions - And I do believe that NASA wants LC-39A to be USED rather than just "managed".

What is the point of giving it to BO, if they are just going to turn around and offer it to others? Especially if the only realistic (current) potential customer is not interested in the complexity of flying from a shared pad.

Agree.  I'd go a bit further and say "capability" is code for not only the demonstrated ability to operate a pad performing orbital launches, but also a credible need, motivation and commitment for actually doing so, as opposed to a caretaker-landlord-broker for the foreseeable future.

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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #73 on: 09/10/2013 02:19 am »
(Not that I necessarily favour SpaceX taking over 39A... Inheriting legacy infrastructure does have its drawbacks, and the launch rate doesn't require another pad yet)

Reading between the lines SpaceX wants it primarily for manned and FH use.  That way they don't have to worry about upgrading the LC-40.
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #74 on: 09/10/2013 02:58 am »
Reading between the lines SpaceX wants it primarily for manned and FH use.  That way they don't have to worry about upgrading the LC-40.

They want it for MCT. I thought this was common knowledge.
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #75 on: 09/10/2013 03:03 am »
Reading between the lines SpaceX wants it primarily for manned and FH use.  That way they don't have to worry about upgrading the LC-40.

They want it for MCT. I thought this was common knowledge.
I've heard it speculated maybe once or twice. Do you have any specific reason for thinking they want it for MCT?
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #76 on: 09/10/2013 03:55 am »
Reading between the lines SpaceX wants it primarily for manned and FH use.  That way they don't have to worry about upgrading the LC-40.

They want it for MCT. I thought this was common knowledge.
I've heard it speculated maybe once or twice. Do you have any specific reason for thinking they want it for MCT?

You mean other than that they told me on the tour?

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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #77 on: 09/10/2013 04:19 am »
What else did they tell you about MCT?

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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #78 on: 09/10/2013 04:20 am »

You mean other than that they told me on the tour?

How long till MCT goes up? Since people here are saying that SpaceX's ability to use the pad sooner rather than later helps them in the selection process...
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Re: LC 39A - RFP for Commercial use
« Reply #79 on: 09/10/2013 04:34 am »

You mean other than that they told me on the tour?

How long till MCT goes up? Since people here are saying that SpaceX's ability to use the pad sooner rather than later helps them in the selection process...

I believe the exact words were "If we get 39A, we'll be flying MCT sooner than anyone expects".. along with some I'd-really-love-to-tell-you-but-I-cant statements on the engine development. There was also some other statements about the contest for the pad that I'd call paranoid-conspiracy-stuff if I was going to repeat them, but I won't cause I honestly can't remember from trying not to laugh at the time.
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