Per linked document from Sea Launch AG via RSC Energia et al, available starting in Middle of 2016 will be new next generation Modernized Zenit launcher family (NG Zenit Family is mentioned in some info as Zenit-4 as well as earlier by name Zenit-3SM).
Quote from: russianhalo117 on 05/05/2013 01:02 amPer linked document from Sea Launch AG via RSC Energia et al, available starting in Middle of 2016 will be new next generation Modernized Zenit launcher family (NG Zenit Family is mentioned in some info as Zenit-4 as well as earlier by name Zenit-3SM). Well, that sounds fairly modest, do-able and worth doing. I kinda like Zenit and SeaLaunch overall and wish them luck.But we'll see. Russian pronouncements for what's going to happen haven't generally turned to be a good predictor of what actually happens.
Launch Date Payload Capability to Standard GTO Additional Performance Capability Current 5250 kg Late 2001 5400 kg + 150 kg Early 2002 5500 kg + 250 kg Mid 2002 Note: This additional performance increase will only be available as an extra cost option. 5700 kg + 450 kg
In addition, several enhancements have been made to the Zenit-3SL to upgrade the performance capability from 5250 kg to 6000 kg to GTO. These changes fall into three categories: • Energy increase (includes Block DM-SL engine extended nozzle, second-stage main engine thrust increase from 87 tons force to 93 tons force, and the addition of propellant for all three stages) • Mass reductions across all three stages and payload accommodations • Optimisation of the propellant usage in all three stages
Jeff Foust just tweeted from Satellite 2012 conference:https://twitter.com/#!/jeff_foust/status/179623695084564481QuoteSea Launch planning upgrades to the Zenit-3SL that will increase capacity to 6400 kg and then 6700 kg to GTO. #satellite2012Any info on how do they plan to do that? Does that involve the Fregat-SB, for example?
Sea Launch planning upgrades to the Zenit-3SL that will increase capacity to 6400 kg and then 6700 kg to GTO. #satellite2012
Another way to add more prop is to add external drop tanks. Making wider prop tanks is not an option for Zenit, due to transport bottlenecks.Of course, any such change would cost a lot of money, and 99% of the effort would be in raising the money.
Quote from: Danderman on 05/05/2013 07:12 pmAnother way to add more prop is to add external drop tanks. Making wider prop tanks is not an option for Zenit, due to transport bottlenecks.Of course, any such change would cost a lot of money, and 99% of the effort would be in raising the money. Is this redesign a joint effort with the Ukraine design team? Not seen any talk of this.
Note that this is all about just a few hundred extra kilograms of payload to GTO, not a major increase in capability. I am sure the enhancements will be phased in, and barely noticeable to us.Let us hope that an improved thrust actuation system is included.
Quote from: Prober on 05/05/2013 07:16 pmIs this redesign a joint effort with the Ukraine design team? Not seen any talk of this.Yes, it has been in joint team with complete design work for modernization of stages 1 and 2 beginning last year at the end of November 2012. As for Block-DM, I am not totally sure if complete design work for its latest modernization has begun fully or not.
Is this redesign a joint effort with the Ukraine design team? Not seen any talk of this.
I'm fuzzy on the politics and history here...isn't Russia focusing on Angara to eliminate Zenit?
Quote from: a_langwich on 05/06/2013 03:17 amI'm fuzzy on the politics and history here...isn't Russia focusing on Angara to eliminate Zenit? There is no "Russia" in this contest. There are design bureaus and production bureaus. There are government customers. And there are commercial customers.
"Russia" will continue to launch payloads on Zenit as long as Zenit-class payloads are available. After that, Soyuz-2 and Angara will be used.Kazakhstan and the Ukraine are dancing around the concept of continuing to fly Zenit from Baikonur after Russia leaves.
Quote from: Danderman on 05/09/2013 02:09 pm"Russia" will continue to launch payloads on Zenit as long as Zenit-class payloads are available. After that, Soyuz-2 and Angara will be used.Kazakhstan and the Ukraine are dancing around the concept of continuing to fly Zenit from Baikonur after Russia leaves.What exactly do you you mean by "Zenit class payloads" can you explain?