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http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/04/back-on-the-megalomania-track/

Kristian compares it to a Redstone. Apparently it will use the new turbopump engine.


I hear those things are awfully loud. It glides as softly as a cloud. What's it called? Monowhale!

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #1 on: 04/26/2013 01:54 PM »
Looking good
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #2 on: 04/26/2013 03:38 PM »
Looks like a Scud.

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #3 on: 04/26/2013 03:51 PM »
Looks like a Scud.

Watch their videos sometime......sure you would enjoy them as they do a great job on them.
 
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #4 on: 04/26/2013 05:06 PM »
Have they actually flown *anything* yet? I perused their site, and I only saw engine tests and static tests.

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #5 on: 04/26/2013 09:08 PM »
Have they actually flown *anything* yet? I perused their site, and I only saw engine tests and static tests.

look under launch campaigns http://copenhagensuborbitals.com/campaignsep2010.php
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #6 on: 05/10/2013 07:19 PM »
From https://twitter.com/KvonBengtson

HEAT-1600 rocket concept CAD-sketching - full rocket section


HEAT-1600 rocket concept CAD - full rocket


HEAT-1600 cluster-engine concept



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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #7 on: 05/12/2013 07:13 AM »
There's a blog posting on Wired about HEAT-1600: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/05/heat-1600-concept-development-the-manifestation-of-dreams-and-ambitions-for-download/

There's a bit more info on the blog and:

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Nothing is secret at Copenhagen Suborbitals – so please go ahead – download the entire rocket here (Solidworks 2013, IGES and STP, 13MB total) - this machine will take you into space.

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The concepts sketching of the HEAT-1600 rocket is lacking many parts and connections of systems. Look at the drawings as guidelines and a preliminary brain process poured down into SolidWorks and finally your screen.

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #8 on: 05/12/2013 02:17 PM »
There's a blog posting on Wired about HEAT-1600: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/05/heat-1600-concept-development-the-manifestation-of-dreams-and-ambitions-for-download/

There's a bit more info on the blog and:

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Nothing is secret at Copenhagen Suborbitals – so please go ahead – download the entire rocket here (Solidworks 2013, IGES and STP, 13MB total) - this machine will take you into space.

But note the following

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The concepts sketching of the HEAT-1600 rocket is lacking many parts and connections of systems. Look at the drawings as guidelines and a preliminary brain process poured down into SolidWorks and finally your screen.

When I get some extra time will make an stl file out for 3D printing models.  Now they have the design locked down.
 
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #9 on: 05/15/2013 08:52 PM »
I'm trying to get a good grip on their future plans.

In CS's Youtube video of the third TM65 static fire (the one with a partial failure) they mention that the TM65 is being retired and that a new engine will be built.  They happen to have a lot of dodgy translations so perhaps they were referring only to that particular engine and that the TM65 production will continue?  This is further complicated because I was under the impression that they are also developing a much larger engine.

Is the HEAT 1600 the tentative final design for their actual manned flight?  Will 4xTM65 be sufficient for a suborbital flight?  They claim first flight for HEAT 1600 in 2014 or 2015 yet 2020 for first manned flight, does that sound about right then?  Must say I've never been this excited by a DIY project before!
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #10 on: 05/15/2013 10:20 PM »
I'm trying to get a good grip on their future plans.

In CS's Youtube video of the third TM65 static fire (the one with a partial failure) they mention that the TM65 is being retired and that a new engine will be built.  They happen to have a lot of dodgy translations so perhaps they were referring only to that particular engine and that the TM65 production will continue?  This is further complicated because I was under the impression that they are also developing a much larger engine.

Is the HEAT 1600 the tentative final design for their actual manned flight?  Will 4xTM65 be sufficient for a suborbital flight?  They claim first flight for HEAT 1600 in 2014 or 2015 yet 2020 for first manned flight, does that sound about right then?  Must say I've never been this excited by a DIY project before!

Yes HEAT 1600 is the rocket that will launch the TDS capsule.

New concept picture from their website

Carsten Brand/CS

and yes there was talk about TM250, but once they started to look at the cost of the HEAT 1600 rocket things changed a bit.

Help! We need to find a cheaper fire pump!

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We got all the alloy at a bargain price - 14 kr / kg. But - 1,600 rocket requires immediately 4 pcs ends a 8500 kr plus VAT, and 2 NP4000 pumps from Johstadt a 14000 eur.

The two things I would like to have the price down to - for it is 174,000 kr total. It is a very interesting problem - I love not having any money and had to think of something clever.

Regarding the pumps so there are two options: we can drop the single engine concept and flight 1600 4 x TM65. For TM65 can be pumped with the beautiful Svanehøj pumps - and they can be obtained for relatively small money in 500-1000 kr piece. As always have a cluster has the advantage that you do not have to develop a great engine - and the disadvantage that you have to through "a plumbers nightmare" to spin the eight pumps up, turn four engines, see all is well and get damn machine loose. But this is a possibility. We TM65 is a pretty healthy design - and model 2 is adjusted for the mistake that destroyed dyseskørtet on model 1

The alternative is to find someone other pumps than the expensive but delicious from Johstadt. We need a centrifugal pump - typically a fire pump with a Capacity of 3-4000 liters per second at 10 to 12 bar. It should preferably be made of cast light metal.

But when?

Progress will tell. Right now they are building the tanks for the rocket and plan to test fire it in an "all up" configuration on the new VTC3 test stand, first with one engine, and then progress from there.

Kristian von Bengtson like to have his capsule tested and evaluated in 2014, so maybe a single engine version will fly first and then a 4 engine version in 2015?

But from there to Peter Madsen fly? Not sure if even CS knows?

Regards

Edit: Put in picture
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #11 on: 05/25/2013 01:36 PM »
Article on Ing.dk about HEAT 1600

Here are the rocket to shoot Peter Madsen into space

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When Peter Madsen then comes in the room with the Heat in 1600, he dare not predict too specific about - and then anyway. Around 2020, he believes that it may be realistic that he gets into the rocket.

In the first 3 to 4 firings - one per year starting from 2015 - is the only doll Randy's being shot off.
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TM65 Tordenskjold II
Type: regenarativ cooled liquid rocket engine
Pressure: 65 to 90 kN
Specific impulse, sea level: 200 sec
Specific impulse, vacuum: 230 sec
Power cycle: gas generator
Propellants: liquid oxygen / 75% bioethanol
O / F ratio: 1.3
Turbine Pump:
Propellant: 80% H202 / potassium permanganate
Power: 120 kW.
Design: Single-stage impulse turbine which drives two pumps on the common shaft.

HEAT 1600 LE (see drawings at the top)
Type: subshell ballistic actively managed launcher
Diameter: 1600 mm
Length ex payload: 12 meters
Start Weight ex propellant: 1400 kg.
Propellant 3000 kg
Number of engines: 1 piece center-mounted TM65 TORDENSKJOLD II
Application: launch of the TYCHO capsule for 30 - 60 km altitude.

HEAT 1600
Type: subshell ballistic actively managed launcher / 1 stage booster
Diameter: 1600 mm
Length ex payload: 12 meters
Start Weight ex propellant: 2100 kg.
Propellant: 12000 kg
Number of engines: 4 pcs TM65 TORDENSKJOLD II
Application: launch of the TYCHO capsule on suborbital paths in the space above 100 km.

HEAT 2X
Type: subshell ballistic actively managed launcher
Diameter: 650 mm
Length ex payload: 8 meters
Start Weight ex propellant 700 kg.
Drivmiddelmasse 1200 kg
Number of engines: 1 piece TM65, in a version proceeded turbine, and with reduced thrust.
Application: launch of the 1/3 scale TYCHO capsule on suborbital courses of 30 - 60 km altitude.

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #12 on: 05/25/2013 02:35 PM »
very exciting read  :)
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #13 on: 05/29/2013 12:23 PM »
Talk about Lego-Rockets. Copenhagen Suborbital is at least building a Lego Rocket-Teststand.


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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #14 on: 05/29/2013 02:16 PM »
Talk about Lego-Rockets. Copenhagen Suborbital is at least building a Lego Rocket-Teststand.



noticed that, seems to work real well for the project.  Does anyone know is that an off the shelf concrete product someone can purchase, or was that a CS design?
 
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #15 on: 05/29/2013 05:12 PM »
Talk about Lego-Rockets. Copenhagen Suborbital is at least building a Lego Rocket-Teststand.



noticed that, seems to work real well for the project.  Does anyone know is that an off the shelf concrete product someone can purchase, or was that a CS design?
 

They are owned by Refshaleøens Real Estate Company. If they was part of the old shipyard or got there later i do not know.

But there is tons there that is not being used for anything, CS is allowed to use anyone of them as long they are not needed for anything else


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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #16 on: 05/29/2013 07:04 PM »
Thx, a very good reuse for another project.   A very good way to keep costs down.  ;)
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #17 on: 06/28/2013 08:33 PM »
https://twitter.com/copsub/status/350681903587799042
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@CopSub: (1/2) Our conceptual artist Carsten Bang has created an image of how a modified version of launch vessel Sputnik with a HEAT1600 with ...

https://twitter.com/copsub/status/350685026050007040
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@CopSub: (2/2) ... space capsule Tycho Deep Space II with LES tower would look like: http://t.co/UXxUpXuQ24

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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #18 on: 07/01/2013 06:54 AM »
CS might want to place a lightning rod on top of the tower, just in case. :-)
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Re: Copenhagen Suborbitals have begun work on 1.6m core
« Reply #19 on: 07/29/2013 12:35 PM »

There's one thing I don't understand about Copenhagen Suborbitals. At some point (i.e. when it looks likely that CS are going to put an actual human on a rocket) won't the Danish Government step in with a whole lot of red tape that would make it commercially impractical to fly anybody?

I'm figuring that the Danish Government wouldn't want the bad publicity of CS having a bad day because the finger of blame might get pointed at them.

Thoughts?

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