Author Topic: SpaceX Falcon 9 v1.1 - CASSIOPE - September, 2013 - GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD  (Read 515366 times)

Offline Jason1701

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It sounds like Elon may be directing too much resources to achieving his dreams of e.g. reusability and not enough to achieving his customers' dream of payloads in orbit in a timely fashion.

Where exactly does it say these delays are due to pushing reusability as opposed to actually making the "basic" launch vehicle work at all?

That is a contributing factor.

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Don't be surprised if SES-8 gets off the ground first. Like the above stated, it is a new rocket going off on a new pad. Think the delays Antares and the F9 faced.
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It sounds like Elon may be directing too much resources to achieving his dreams of e.g. reusability and not enough to achieving his customers' dream of payloads in orbit in a timely fashion.

Where exactly does it say these delays are due to pushing reusability as opposed to actually making the "basic" launch vehicle work at all?

I don't think Falcon v1.1 is delayed waiting for the landing legs or something like that. What I'm concerned about is a more indirect effect: the reusability issues using precious resources (e.g. Elon's attention) that are needed to execute the expendable missions in a timely manner.

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Don't be surprised if SES-8 gets off the ground first. Like the above stated, it is a new rocket going off on a new pad. Think the delays Antares and the F9 faced.

Huh? The SES-8 mission got delayed to August.

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Haven't SES said "we're not going first"?  ???

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Haven't SES said "we're not going first"?  ???

Correct.

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Don't be surprised if SES-8 gets off the ground first. Like the above stated, it is a new rocket going off on a new pad. Think the delays Antares and the F9 faced.

Huh? The SES-8 mission got delayed to August.

I'm aware of that.

Haven't SES said "we're not going first"?  ???

Was not aware of that.
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Haven't SES said "we're not going first"?  ???

Correct.

That's what I remember hearing as well. Forget where though.
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If SES works halfway consistent with their big and their smaller satellites, this would definitely be their policy.

Never use unqualified hardware, be it spacecraft or launcher.

Their track record proves them right.

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http://www.wacotrib.com/blogs/joe_science/new-word-on-spacex-testing/article_cf049a90-c8a4-11e2-834d-001a4bcf887a.html

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    We’ve switched gears a bit here.  SpaceX is planning to run a test at our rocket development facility in McGregor that will be much louder than the typical tests we run daily, and this test could run from 30-seconds in duration to up to several minutes.  This test could occur as early as Friday, May 31st.   Given that the test could run for several minutes, it’s important that the community know this is coming.  If not Friday, in the near future.

    Thank you for sticking with it for these past few weeks.  I’ll circle back when I have further information.

...

If the test does run for several minutes, it probably won't be more than three.  There's nothing that I can share about the delay -- it's important to note that SpaceX does testing all the time, often daily.  Shifting schedules are not outside the norm.
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http://www.wacotrib.com/blogs/joe_science/new-word-on-spacex-testing/article_cf049a90-c8a4-11e2-834d-001a4bcf887a.html

Quote from: Christina Ra


    We’ve switched gears a bit here.  SpaceX is planning to run a test at our rocket development facility in McGregor that will be much louder than the typical tests we run daily, and this test could run from 30-seconds in duration to up to several minutes.  This test could occur as early as Friday, May 31st.   Given that the test could run for several minutes, it’s important that the community know this is coming.  If not Friday, in the near future.

    Thank you for sticking with it for these past few weeks.  I’ll circle back when I have further information.

...

If the test does run for several minutes, it probably won't be more than three.  There's nothing that I can share about the delay -- it's important to note that SpaceX does testing all the time, often daily.  Shifting schedules are not outside the norm.

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http://www.wacotrib.com/blogs/joe_science/new-word-on-spacex-testing/article_cf049a90-c8a4-11e2-834d-001a4bcf887a.html

Quote from: Christina Ra


    We’ve switched gears a bit here.  SpaceX is planning to run a test at our rocket development facility in McGregor that will be much louder than the typical tests we run daily, and this test could run from 30-seconds in duration to up to several minutes.  This test could occur as early as Friday, May 31st.   Given that the test could run for several minutes, it’s important that the community know this is coming.  If not Friday, in the near future.

    Thank you for sticking with it for these past few weeks.  I’ll circle back when I have further information.

...

If the test does run for several minutes, it probably won't be more than three.  There's nothing that I can share about the delay -- it's important to note that SpaceX does testing all the time, often daily.  Shifting schedules are not outside the norm.

"Up to three minutes or more" = "impossible to get more vague"
http://xkcd.com/870/

Yes, well, I think that article's author had the right of it in his Tuesday article:

Quote from: Joseph Abbott
...precisely because such delays were a strong possibility, I doubt we'd even have heard about this so far in advance had it not been deemed prudent, just after the West explosion, to reassure residents that the rumble they might be hearing wasn't a sequel.

It's not surprising that the details are vague.

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Another payload has joint this launch. DANDE (Drag and Atmospheric Neutral Density Explorer)

https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/d/dande

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Another payload has joint this launch. DANDE (Drag and Atmospheric Neutral Density Explorer)

https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/d/dande
Launch: A launch as a secondary payload of the DANDE spacecraft is scheduled for July 2013 on a SpaceX Falcon V.1.1 vehicle from VAFB, CA. The primary payload on this flight is CASSIOPE of Canada. 7)The secondary payloads on this flight are:•   CUSat-1 and CUSat-2, microsatellites (each of ~41 kg) of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.•   DANDE (Drag and Atmospheric Neutral Density Explorer), a microsatellite (<50 kg) of the University of Colorado at Boulder.•   POPACS (Polar Orbiting Passive Atmospheric Calibration Sphere), a 3U CubeSat of several US universities and entities including: MSU (Morehead State University), Gil Moore (POPACS Project Director), the University of Arkansas, PSC (Planetary Systems Corporation), Silver Spring, MD, MSU (Montana State University), Drexel University (Philadelphia), et al.Orbit: Elliptical polar orbit, 324 km x 1500 km, inclination =80º, period = 103 minutes (14 orbits/day).
 
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How much additional revenue is SpaceX getting from secondary payload?

Offline Chris Bergin

SpaceX confirming their is currently no launch date for this mission at the moment (as they work through several issues with the v1.1):

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SpaceX: No firm date for flight of new-version Falcon 9 with Canada's Cassiope science sat. Launch will prepare F9 for geo commercial market
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Another payload has joint this launch. DANDE (Drag and Atmospheric Neutral Density Explorer)

https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/d/dande
Launch: A launch as a secondary payload of the DANDE spacecraft is scheduled for July 2013 on a SpaceX Falcon V.1.1 vehicle from VAFB, CA. The primary payload on this flight is CASSIOPE of Canada. 7)The secondary payloads on this flight are:•   CUSat-1 and CUSat-2, microsatellites (each of ~41 kg) of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.•   DANDE (Drag and Atmospheric Neutral Density Explorer), a microsatellite (<50 kg) of the University of Colorado at Boulder.•   POPACS (Polar Orbiting Passive Atmospheric Calibration Sphere), a 3U CubeSat of several US universities and entities including: MSU (Morehead State University), Gil Moore (POPACS Project Director), the University of Arkansas, PSC (Planetary Systems Corporation), Silver Spring, MD, MSU (Montana State University), Drexel University (Philadelphia), et al.Orbit: Elliptical polar orbit, 324 km x 1500 km, inclination =80º, period = 103 minutes (14 orbits/day).
 

What is the mass of the primary satellite? Will this launch be a new mass record for Falcon 9?

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What is the mass of the primary satellite? Will this launch be a new mass record for Falcon 9?

On the contradictory, it weighs just something around 500 kg.  ;) (It was actually once a Falcon 1e payload)
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(It was actually once a Falcon 1e payload)

Launch manifest put it on stock Falcon 1 since 2005. Falcon 1e appeared in 2009 and then CASSIOPE was already moved to Falcon-9. Web-archive is your friend.

But how was Space-X supposed to fit 180cm hexagon into 150cm fairing? Maybe the very issue played part in post-poning it's launch back then, or has CASSIOPE grown since?
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