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New BBC Two factual drama starring award winning actor William Hurt (Altered States, History Of Violence, Into The Wild), about American physicist Richard Feynman’s determination to reveal the truth behind the 1986 Challenger space shuttle disaster.

Confirmed for BBC Two on 18 March at 9.00pm to 10.30pm

When Challenger exploded 73 seconds into its flight on the morning of 28 January 1986, it represented one of the most shocking events in the history of American spaceflight. A Presidential Commission was immediately convened to explore what had gone wrong, but with the vast complexity of the space shuttle and so many vested interests involved in the investigation, discovering the truth was an almost impossible challenge.

A truly independent member of the investigation was Richard Feynman. One of the most accomplished scientists of his generation, he had worked on the Manhattan Project to build the first atom bomb and won a Nobel Prize for his breakthroughs in quantum physics. Feynman deployed exceptional integrity, charm and relentless scientific logic to investigate the secrets of the shuttle disaster and in doing so, helped make the US space programme safer.

The Challenger is co-produced by BBC, The Open University and Science Channel. It was commissioned by Janice Hadlow, Controller of BBC Two, and Kim Shillinglaw, Commissioning Editor for Science and Natural History.

Other cast includes Bruce Greenwood, Brian Dennehy, Kevin McNally, Joanne Whalley, Eve Best and Henry Goodman.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2013/12/the-challenger.html
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #1 on: 03/10/2013 08:16 AM »
It’s Official: BBC Two Orders 90 Minute Challenger Disaster TV Movie
 
October 23rd, 2012

http://www.tvwise.co.uk/2012/10/its-official-bbc-two-orders-90-minute-challenger-disaster-tv-movie/

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #2 on: 03/10/2013 08:17 AM »
William Hurt to Star in Science Channel/BBC Challenger Docu-Drama (Exclusive)

He'll play scientist Richard Feynman in the factual telepic about the fight for truth in the space shuttle Challenger investigation.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/william-hurt-science-channel-challenger-374576

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« Reply #3 on: 03/10/2013 08:18 AM »
Drama About Space Shuttle Challenger Tragedy Coming From BBC and Science Channel

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/drama-space-shuttle-challenger-tragedy-381924

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #4 on: 03/18/2013 04:47 PM »
Just a reminder to UK viewers that this documentary factual drama is showing this evening.
« Last Edit: 03/19/2013 11:04 AM by AnalogMan »

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #6 on: 03/19/2013 02:18 PM »
Hi,

Did anyone see The Challenger, starring William Hurt, Bruce Greenwood and Brian Dennehy on BBC TV last night? If not, it's available on BBC iPlayer for British webusers who want to catch up. Very good drama, though I'm not sure how much of it is 100% accurate in terms of the relationships between the members of the Rogers Commission. I've learned to take 'true stories' with a pince of salt, knowing how often they need to condense character interactions into a limited running time.

Space experts will no doubt notice a few glaring continuity errors (the orbiter in the first shot is clearly Columbia and the NASA logos are all meatball rather than worm) but none of that should take away from the performances of the main actors, who are very good.

For more about the cast and crew, visit http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt2421662/?ref_=sr_2
Apollo, Soyuz, Shuttle...SKYLON.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00zstkn

I'll give this a watch later. Hope it's not terrible! Salem doesn't think so, thus I'm hopeful it strikes the right tone!
« Last Edit: 03/19/2013 03:04 PM by Chris Bergin »

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Watched the first 30 minutes and this is really superb.

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It was really well done, IMO.

One of the two main sources was Feynman's own writings, and his children were attributed as consultants, so at least the estate had some say in it.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #10 on: 03/19/2013 09:24 PM »
It was well worth the watch.


Space experts will no doubt notice a few glaring continuity errors

The most glaring for me was the "simulator" at Marshall that looked very similar to an orbiter in the middle of a T&R flow, complete with PLBD strongbacks... ;)

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Wow. Watched it all the way through. That was really superb.

Very strong cast, really well written.

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« Reply #12 on: 03/19/2013 11:14 PM »
Wow. Watched it all the way through. That was really superb.

Very strong cast, really well written.

Glad you liked it! I'm impressed that they got such a great Hollywood cast for what is basically a British TV movie. The subject matter must have appealed in a big way.

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I didn't know Prof. Feynman's wife (in the film and represented correctly with the accent) was from Ripponden, Yorkshire! That's just down the road from where I am!
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #14 on: 03/20/2013 02:44 AM »
Here in the States, many CATV providers (mine included) have BBC America as one of the channels.  They air all types of programming on this channel, but I have to admit, I rarely see anything of personal interest to me.  Perhaps they may air the program on this channel, but I'm not aware of how to access what one might expect to be a programming guide.  Anyone know anything in this regard?

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« Reply #15 on: 03/20/2013 02:50 AM »
Found their web site, but a search for "Challenger" resulted in nothing but crickets (the metaphor, not the sport).

http://www.bbcamerica.com/?s=Challenger&searchsubmit=Search

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #16 on: 03/20/2013 05:20 AM »
Perhaps they may air the program on this channel, but I'm not aware of how to access what one might expect to be a programming guide.  Anyone know anything in this regard?

This program was a joint production of the BBC and the Science Channel. It will air in the states, re-titled "73 Seconds: The Challenger Investigation," on the Science Channel in fourth quarter of this year.
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #17 on: 03/20/2013 09:21 AM »
Obviously I can't vouch for the factual accuracy but as a piece of drama it was excellent. Many thanks to Jacqmans for the tip-off.
One question though. Is there really somewhere where you can stand that close to an engine under test?

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« Reply #18 on: 03/20/2013 07:30 PM »
Just watched it on Iplayer. Amazing work. Marshall don't come out of it looking all that great!

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #19 on: 03/20/2013 08:11 PM »
Thanks for the thread. Watched it too. Thought it was very good!

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A *cough*rrent was released on some private trackers today by the scene, and hopefully it will be on some public ones soon. And I REALLY hope this will be bought by as many tv companies as possible.

Having seen just right now the first 30 minutes of this.... its excellent.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #21 on: 03/20/2013 10:54 PM »
Just watched it on Iplayer. Amazing work. Marshall don't come out of it looking all that great!

True, but you have to look at it in the context of the time. Judging by the film a lot of people were looking for scapegoats...the schedule, the engines, Morton Thiokol, the weather...you can't blame people for looking over their shoulders in the wake of a public tragedy.
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« Reply #22 on: 03/20/2013 11:12 PM »
It was a very fast 90 minutes of life, invested watching the film. It evoked very well, memories of that day. It was the "system" that came under scrutiny, rather than individuals or organisations. Beautifully written and acted; Anglo American co-operation is a wonderful thing!

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« Reply #23 on: 03/21/2013 02:32 PM »
Very impressive!

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« Reply #24 on: 03/21/2013 03:02 PM »
Marshall don't come out of it looking all that great!

Did Jim direct it? ;)

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« Reply #25 on: 03/25/2013 10:32 PM »

This has been blocked now :(
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This has been blocked now :(

Because of copyright.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #27 on: 03/26/2013 06:50 PM »
Can you elaborate please? Unlikely the BBC would complain about a discussion about one of their programmes.

I also notice that several postings have been removed - including interesting observations on image format (4:3 and 16:9 etc.)

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Can you elaborate please? Unlikely the BBC would complain about a discussion about one of their programmes.

I also notice that several postings have been removed - including interesting observations on image format (4:3 and 16:9 etc.)

Keith

People were posting ripped copies to youtube and linking here. Was nothing to do with the discussion, was to do with copyright of the videos. Can be dangerous.

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« Reply #29 on: 03/26/2013 08:39 PM »
Yep, I agree!

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« Reply #30 on: 03/27/2013 06:39 PM »
Is there any way to view this now?  I tried IPlayer but it appeared to be only for radio.

Thank you
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Legal way: wait for a tv station viewable to you gets it. I doubt it will be released on a DVD, but netflix or similar could get it sometime in the future.
Illegal way: download a torrent. I will not say where and how, because according to the Finnish law, that would be a copyright violation too.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #32 on: 03/27/2013 10:53 PM »
As mentioned earlier, this program is scheduled to air this fall in the U.S. on the Science Channel, after which it may become available for legal download via the iTunes store (or similar services) and perhaps be released on DVD.

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« Reply #33 on: 05/12/2013 03:45 PM »
Bump

This is being repeated tonight on BB2 - Sunday 12 May at 8.00pm

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Just noticed that on the schedule. Good bump!

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« Reply #35 on: 05/12/2013 05:46 PM »
Bump

This is being repeated tonight on BB2 - Sunday 12 May at 8.00pm

Also means that it will return to IPlayer for a while for those who were asking
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Watched it again as it was shown. The voiceover person noted that it is "critically acclaimed" at the start, which is good to hear as it's brilliant.

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« Reply #37 on: 05/16/2013 05:17 PM »
Can't wait to see this based on the very good feedback!

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« Reply #38 on: 05/20/2013 09:08 PM »
Available now on iTunes...I just downloaded it for £3.99 Uk Pounds.  I was blown away by Mr Hurt's (surely award winning) impression of the great man.  I know this is one family's idea of the disaster, but as this is not "an official" discourse, it rings truly.  Full marks to all the other actors too - this is worthy for General Release.

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« Reply #39 on: 10/29/2013 12:02 AM »
This comes on US TV November 19th 9pm on both Discovery Channel and Science Channel.

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This comes on US TV November 19th 9pm on both Discovery Channel and Science Channel.

Excellent. An absolute must-watch guys.

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« Reply #41 on: 10/29/2013 09:24 PM »
This comes on US TV November 19th 9pm on both Discovery Channel and Science Channel.
Awesome, thanyou very much for the info.
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« Reply #44 on: 11/16/2013 10:58 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: 11/17/2013 03:16 AM »
Painted an interesting spotlight on old NASA culture.  Maybe someday we can make inroads on the DOD side.

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« Reply #46 on: 11/17/2013 05:11 AM »
Is anyone recording this???  I have copy from BBC, but it isn't the best quality......
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« Reply #47 on: 11/17/2013 12:16 PM »
I fell asleep halfway through. I'm sure they will air it again.

I don't know if you guys realized this, but at one point in the film (near the beginning of the investigation) they were walking around an actual orbiter. It was sitting in the VAB torn apart undergoing retirement procedures.

Did anyone catch which shuttle that was?

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« Reply #48 on: 11/17/2013 02:15 PM »
"I fell asleep halfway through. I'm sure they will air it again."

Three letters: D-V-R. ;)

Anyway, it re-airs tonight, and numerous times after that for the next few days. Stay tuned.

As per your orbiter question, I don't know - I'm watching it later today (again, D-V-R ;))
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« Reply #49 on: 11/17/2013 05:48 PM »
This movie was on youtube a few months ago from the BBC.  I ripped it off youtube, but it is missing the first 8 minutes or so....(and the quality isn't HD)....

Ill keep looking for it online and see if I can "find" it....
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« Reply #50 on: 11/17/2013 06:31 PM »
Watched this last night, really really enjoyable. However I watched it on the discovery channel, which means 1/4 of the air time of 120 minutes was dedicated to ads, and usually ads for discovery's horrific normal programming  :(

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« Reply #51 on: 11/17/2013 07:05 PM »
For Overflow:

Just watched much of it - as per the orbiter question, I couldn't tell. No distinctive markings.

For everyone:

Am I the only one questioning why they have much of the action occurring at Marshall that actually occurred at KSC? Processing an orbiter, stacking SRBs, etc? I know about "artistic license", but c'mon...
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« Reply #52 on: 11/17/2013 07:59 PM »
Damn, I was told it was on the 19th.  I will hopefully catch a re-air.  I was looking forward to this.. 
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« Reply #53 on: 11/17/2013 08:23 PM »
It definitely paints a "Feynman and Gen Kutyna" against the rest of a commission (maybe not Sally ride) bias slanted toward NASA.  Feynman is shown as unwanted, completely rogue (making his own trips to Marshall although I echo the question above that they were actually to the Cape--the full shuttle mock-up in particular argues this point), and gets nothing but disdain from the Chairman.  The removal and "concealment" of Larry Mac Donald is disturbing if true and I almost puked when I had to listen to the load of crap being spewed by Lawrence Malloy. Did Mac Donald really stand up during the hearing to instantly refute the drivel Malloy was telling the Committee? If so a gutsy move. I don't remember the claim of seal functionality down to -40/50 degrees F.  It would be interesting to see if the idea of putting the SRB seal in ice water really occurred to Feynman in the restaurant. The medical condition of Feynman was news to me. 
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« Reply #54 on: 11/17/2013 08:36 PM »
It is re-running tonight at 9PM and again at midnight on the SCI channel
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« Reply #55 on: 11/17/2013 08:44 PM »
Wasn't impressed. Took too many liberties with the sequence/staging of events "for dramatic purposes" for it to be enjoyable, the way things really went down were dramatic enough.

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(I liked Hurt and Dennehy's performances, but the guy who played Allan J. McDonald was terrible.)

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The removal and "concealment" of Larry Mac Donald is disturbing if true and I almost puked when I had to listen to the load of crap being spewed by Lawrence Malloy. Did Mac Donald really stand up during the hearing to instantly refute the drivel Malloy was telling the Committee?

Committee transcript here: http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/v4part6.htm

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« Reply #56 on: 11/17/2013 09:26 PM »
I wasn't too impressed, either. But I WILL give it this: it was a damn sight better written/directed/acted than that ABC movie "Challenger" from 1990. That was absolute dreck.  :P
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« Reply #57 on: 11/17/2013 09:41 PM »
I really enjoyed it. Yes, there were probably some liberties, but the gist of it seems accurate from what I have read.

NASAs habit of generating fantasy mission success probabilities hasn't died, though. It was put in use in this last decade as they attempted to justify Ares I.
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Interesting reaction. While there are some liberties - as Lars puts it - I think this stands out on the subject (compared to what are mainly docudramas acting like "Dramatic Police Chases" shows and those are sold as hard documentaries, all while aiming at the "things that go boom" market).

I tend to think about the general public watching a production like this one and how it pulls them into the subject matter we all follow here.

Hearing from non-space flight friends who were impressed is what encouraged me.
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #59 on: 11/18/2013 03:35 AM »
There is an obvious and glaring difference in quality between television programming originating on the right side of the Atlantic vs. the left. Well worth the watching in this case. It was interesting to see an orbiter being examined in "1986" to be sporting the blue NASA meatball on the wing. ;)

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I thought this movie was absolutely superb. I watched in twice last night and am watching it again with my wife this week- I'm almost as big a fan of Feynman as I am the Shuttle.

I don't think that the point of the movie was to be accurate in all visual representations but rather tell the story of the inquiry as well as the last days of Feynman. Nit-picking about not being 100% visually accurate is missing the whole point of the movie.

As for the KSC/Marshall thing, its easy to miss but they did mention that they were at "KSC" in one SRB scene and referenced "The Cape" in another, so they didn't portray the SRBs as being assembled at MSFC.

At one point, Feynman is inspecting a SRB on a scaffold and asked if they where built there. The SRB guy with him said something about that they "are built at Thiokol in Utah and train-ed in to us at the Cape in sections". I'm paraphrasing that, clearly.

Yes, there were liberties, but that is the only way to fit such a big story into an hour and forty minutes.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #61 on: 11/18/2013 11:49 AM »
There is an obvious and glaring difference in quality between television programming originating on the right side of the Atlantic vs. the left. Well worth the watching in this case. It was interesting to see an orbiter being examined in "1986" to be sporting the blue NASA meatball on the wing. ;)

I honestly don't think it's that simple. I think it depends on the channel, on the type of programme, on whether it's pay TV vs free networks, etc. There are things Britain does well, and there are things the US does well.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #62 on: 11/23/2013 04:21 PM »
It's on Discovery Canada Sunday Nov 24 at 2000hrs EST.  Not 100% sure if it has aired up here yet.  Glad I didnt miss it.
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #63 on: 11/25/2013 03:02 AM »
It's on Discovery Canada Sunday Nov 24 at 2000hrs EST.  Not 100% sure if it has aired up here yet.  Glad I didnt miss it.

I watched most of it tonight. Had competition with the Grey Cup (Canadian equivalent of the Superbowl), and Doctor WHo's 50th anniversary shows.

Quite intriguing. Some good, some bad. Mostly disturbing. Considering the outcome of Columbia, and the report afterwards, it makes me kind of sick.
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #64 on: 11/25/2013 03:15 AM »
It's on Discovery Canada Sunday Nov 24 at 2000hrs EST.  Not 100% sure if it has aired up here yet.  Glad I didnt miss it.

I watched most of it tonight. Had competition with the Grey Cup (Canadian equivalent of the Superbowl), and Doctor WHo's 50th anniversary shows.

Quite intriguing. Some good, some bad. Mostly disturbing. Considering the outcome of Columbia, and the report afterwards, it makes me kind of sick.


When Billions are involved the risk tolerance increases. The people according to that show who made the call to launch are the same people that ok'd foam falling of the tank. Its like watching JFK, cover-ups, its amazing the awesome job to de-fraud the people.. and the people don't stand up and say no..  great show .. I so remember the disaster and investigation

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #65 on: 11/25/2013 12:43 PM »
Its like watching JFK, cover-ups, its amazing the awesome job to de-fraud the people.. and the people don't stand up and say no.

No, it's not like that at all. Had JFK been John Q Smith of Dallas, TX the court case would have been open and shut and Oswald would have been convicted in a three day trial. I'm not sure what similarities you see? But even whatever they are, they are probably WAY off topic :)

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #66 on: 11/25/2013 05:59 PM »
Unless I missed it, I would have like to have seen some mention of the late Roger Boisjoly...

http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/2012/02/06/roger-boisjoly-challenger-disaster-whistleblower-dies-73/
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #67 on: 11/25/2013 06:40 PM »
He wasn't a player in the movie as it really intended to focus on Feynman.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #68 on: 11/26/2013 03:25 PM »
He wasn't a player in the movie as it really intended to focus on Feynman.
I watched a film titled “The Challenger Disaster”, you must have been watching “The Feynman Storey”... Ladies and Gentlemen “The ever petulant Mr. Dale”...
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #69 on: 11/26/2013 03:52 PM »
I watched a film titled “The Challenger Disaster”, you must have been watching “The Feynman Storey”.

If you get a chance, read the first post of this thread again.

Apology accepted, but I don't imagine this is the last time you'll make a fool of yourself trying to make a meaningless point :)

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I watched a film titled “The Challenger Disaster”, you must have been watching “The Feynman Storey”.

If you get a chance, read the first post of this thread again.

Apology accepted, but I don't imagine this is the last time you'll make a fool of yourself trying to make a meaningless point :)

And unless he was watching a show about buildings and construction, he misspelled "Story." ;)
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #71 on: 11/26/2013 04:38 PM »
I watched a film titled “The Challenger Disaster”, you must have been watching “The Feynman Storey”.

If you get a chance, read the first post of this thread again.

Apology accepted, but I don't imagine this is the last time you'll make a fool of yourself trying to make a meaningless point :)
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #72 on: 11/26/2013 07:35 PM »
I watched it a few weeks ago, haven't posted on it, or anything for that matter, in quite some time.

The acting was very, very good. William Hurt was quite believable as Feynmen, he even looked the part.  The production was well done, the settings were all believable for mid 1980's. A very nice job!

To answer the question posed earlier, yes, Allan McDonald did, in fact, stand up in front of the Commission to shed light on the nature of the Meeting of January 27th. Although MT did "throw him off" the SRB commitee, he did testify to the commission later, as referenced in his autobiography, which is exceptional. He claims in his autobiography, "Truth, Lies, and O-Rings", that Larry Mulloy remarked before that second appearance before the commission (I believe it was the one where Feynmen made his demonstration, but am not sure) that "MSFC" would "be ok, as long as McDonald doesn't throw another turd on the table".

All in all, a good movie, it didn't really shed any new light on anything that most of us around here didn't already know. The only thing I learned that I didn't know before was that Sally Ride was General Kutyna's insided source, although this just confirmed the speculation that has been around for many years.

On a completely different tangent, it was certainly better than the ridiculous "Seconds From Disaster" episode on Challenger where that disaster expert, James Chiles, is protrayed as "figuring out" the real reason the shuttle made it off the pad. I wonder if Mr. Chiles knew that the producers of the show planned to protray it as such, and if so, if he would have agreed to take part. He has written a few well reviewed books on engineering disasters, and seems to be quite well respected, as far as I can tell. I doubt he had any hand in the false portrayal represented in that program. I wonder if anyone else has any comments on this?
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #73 on: 11/27/2013 10:43 PM »
The only thing I learned that I didn't know before was that Sally Ride was General Kutyna's insided source, although this just confirmed the speculation that has been around for many years.


Wonder if that was really true, or just more "historical fiction" for the movie?
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Since it was listed during the credits, when they shared other real items, I'd take it as valid.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #75 on: 11/28/2013 02:50 AM »
Wonder if that was really true, or just more "historical fiction" for the movie?

Dan Parry was the researcher for the film, and in his blog for the BBC, he says he consulted directly with Kutyna.

About Ride, Kutyna says: "It's a story that embroiled McDonald and also astronaut Sally Ride – which we only came to realise following her passing in July last year – as hopefully you’ll come to discover for yourself, once you see the film."
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #76 on: 12/01/2013 07:15 PM »
Good movie for sure. I was able to watch it again yesterday.  In the movie it is portrayed that Mr Feynemann was present for an SSME test.  He sure didnt have nice things to say about the vibrations below 65% rated thrust.

IMO A must see for any Space Shuttle fan.  The frustrations that those Thiokol Engineers must have felt, good lord.

I wonder if the the Challenger and Columbia incidents never happened, if Shuttle would be flying today?  From the sounds of it, there was no urgency at upper levels of Thiokol for the O-ring issue.  It took this incident for the 3 ring redesign.  Seems rediculous to transport segments by rail from Utah.

Columbia, of course hindsight is perfect, but damn, that foamstrike was hard.  It's so simple in theory, and Dr Musgrave agrees, you schedule a walk and check for damage.

Without these incidents we wouldnt have had 3 ring boosters, LCLV with total SSME failure before booster sep, bailout procedure and OBSS and RPM etc etc.  I really miss Shuttle. I hope that SLS fills the gap but that's just me being selfish.  Like the US SLS program is there to fill my Shuttle-seperation anxiety.
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #77 on: 12/01/2013 07:36 PM »
Good movie for sure. I was able to watch it again yesterday.  In the movie it is portrayed that Mr Feynemann was present for an SSME test.  He sure didnt have nice things to say about the vibrations below 65% rated thrust.

IMO A must see for any Space Shuttle fan.  The frustrations that those Thiokol Engineers must have felt, good lord.

I wonder if the the Challenger and Columbia incidents never happened, if Shuttle would be flying today?  From the sounds of it, there was no urgency at upper levels of Thiokol for the O-ring issue.  It took this incident for the 3 ring redesign.  Seems rediculous to transport segments by rail from Utah.

Columbia, of course hindsight is perfect, but damn, that foamstrike was hard.  It's so simple in theory, and Dr Musgrave agrees, you schedule a walk and check for damage.

Without these incidents we wouldnt have had 3 ring boosters, LCLV with total SSME failure before booster sep, bailout procedure and OBSS and RPM etc etc.  I really miss Shuttle. I hope that SLS fills the gap but that's just me being selfish.  Like the US SLS program is there to fill my Shuttle-seperation anxiety.

Segementation of the booster was required for both manufacturing and transportation (rail tunnels (dimensions) and bridges (total weight per segment))

STS-51-C flew one year before Challenger and had significant o-ring blow-by and erosion. Thiokol were already working on a joint redesign before Challenger. Thiokol also knew there was blow-by (through joint rotation) even on warm weather days. The redesign would have happened with or without the Challenger failure.

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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #78 on: 12/01/2013 08:36 PM »
Since it was listed during the credits, when they shared other real items, I'd take it as valid.


Wonder if that was really true, or just more "historical fiction" for the movie?

Dan Parry was the researcher for the film, and in his blog for the BBC, he says he consulted directly with Kutyna.

About Ride, Kutyna says: "It's a story that embroiled McDonald and also astronaut Sally Ride – which we only came to realise following her passing in July last year – as hopefully you’ll come to discover for yourself, once you see the film."


I didn't stay for the credits, thanks for the head's up. The post on the blog only whetted my curiosity for "The rest of the story".
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #79 on: 12/02/2013 12:28 PM »
Good movie for sure. I was able to watch it again yesterday.  In the movie it is portrayed that Mr Feynemann was present for an SSME test.  He sure didnt have nice things to say about the vibrations below 65% rated thrust.

IMO A must see for any Space Shuttle fan.  The frustrations that those Thiokol Engineers must have felt, good lord.

I wonder if the the Challenger and Columbia incidents never happened, if Shuttle would be flying today?  From the sounds of it, there was no urgency at upper levels of Thiokol for the O-ring issue.  It took this incident for the 3 ring redesign.  Seems rediculous to transport segments by rail from Utah.

Columbia, of course hindsight is perfect, but damn, that foamstrike was hard.  It's so simple in theory, and Dr Musgrave agrees, you schedule a walk and check for damage.

Without these incidents we wouldnt have had 3 ring boosters, LCLV with total SSME failure before booster sep, bailout procedure and OBSS and RPM etc etc.  I really miss Shuttle. I hope that SLS fills the gap but that's just me being selfish.  Like the US SLS program is there to fill my Shuttle-seperation anxiety.

Segementation of the booster was required for both manufacturing and transportation (rail tunnels (dimensions) and bridges (total weight per segment))

STS-51-C flew one year before Challenger and had significant o-ring blow-by and erosion. Thiokol were already working on a joint redesign before Challenger. Thiokol also knew there was blow-by (through joint rotation) even on warm weather days. The redesign would have happened with or without the Challenger failure.
Thats good to know, I remember the discussion about the impingement on the 2nd ring from a whole year before STS 51-L.  Any idea when the new design would have been enacted? Surely the incident sped up the redesign.

In this day and age, I find it hard to believe that there isnt a way to fill an SRB built in 1 piece.  Move your STS SRB refurb plant to Florida, doesnt make logustical sense to ship across the country. Although I do realize that SLC-6 was on the table for Polar flights, so Utah made more sense in that respect.
I can believe that it was deemed not economically viable to make a solid SRB.
Now SLS will use a 5 segment SRB.

I never thought about it before, but during the "twang"movement, those joints moved while the skirts on the pad did not.  Maybe the joints were needed.  I also just noticed that at around the 70 second mark, the SRB's thrust is ramping up along with or close to the SSME's going back up to 104%.

What a complex, yet amazing system.  The people power used to harness physics involved is amazing.
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #80 on: 12/02/2013 02:37 PM »
I can believe that it was deemed not economically viable to make a solid SRB.
Now SLS will use a 5 segment SRB.

I assume you mean a non-segmented SRB. Anything's possible, but could be really difficult. Long and narrow is bad for solids, and making it in one piece just complicates it more. Also, the propellant geometries are not the same in each segment.

I never thought about it before, but during the "twang"movement, those joints moved while the skirts on the pad did not.  Maybe the joints were needed.  I also just noticed that at around the 70 second mark, the SRB's thrust is ramping up along with or close to the SSME's going back up to 104%.

What a complex, yet amazing system.  The people power used to harness physics involved is amazing.

Joint rotation was occuring at booster ignition (after the twang). The overpressure wave travelling down the bore of the SRB caused casings to bulge and the joints to rotate towards "open". It was unexpected. Originally Thiokol thought the joints would rotate towards "closed". MSFC, as I recall, never agreed with that analysis.
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Re: "The Challenger Disaster" airing November 16th at 9PM
« Reply #81 on: 12/02/2013 03:59 PM »
I wonder if the the Challenger and Columbia incidents never happened, if Shuttle would be flying today?

If the Challenger accident hadn't occurred, another accident would have happened with likely similar results. The system up until STS-51L was not safe, and one could argue that it was the process and design improvements made after Challenger allowed the Shuttle system to operate for as long as it did before the Columbia accident. And there were close calls before that.
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