Author Topic: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD-2, FD-3 & Berthed Operations UPDATES  (Read 183850 times)

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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #20 on: 03/02/2013 04:19 pm »
From my old console days, the "10:1" rule is helpful: For a height difference of H miles, the two vehicles horizontal range changes by 10 x H miles per rev. Approx.  So a height difference of 30 km, means a range change of 300 per rev ... It's called a 'SWAG'. A useful first guess.

Very useful, thanks Mr. Oberg!

The tracking site n2yo.com has the Dragon at 519 km altitude and ISS at 419 km. If I understood correctly according to a poster here this would mean ISS is roughly gaining 10 x 100 or 1000 km per orbit.

Everyone else, please note that JimO's rough rule generally applies to circular orbits, not elliptical orbits.  The 100 km difference above does NOT apply to JimO's rule, because Dragon isn't at that altitude for the whole orbit.  Dragon will be correcting the horizontal offset a lot slower than you think.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #21 on: 03/02/2013 04:25 pm »
So when would the decision need to be made for an ISS approach attempt tomorrow? Apparently the Dragon is now in a higher orbit than the ISS (332 x 507 km) to let the ISS to catch up from behind.
What is your source for those orbit parameters?
They are different than what has been posted earlier and don't conform to standard rendezvous maneuvers.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #22 on: 03/02/2013 04:28 pm »
From my old console days, the "10:1" rule is helpful: For a height difference of H miles, the two vehicles horizontal range changes by 10 x H miles per rev. Approx.  So a height difference of 30 km, means a range change of 300 per rev ... It's called a 'SWAG'. A useful first guess.

Very useful, thanks Mr. Oberg!

The tracking site n2yo.com has the Dragon at 519 km altitude and ISS at 419 km. If I understood correctly according to a poster here this would mean ISS is roughly gaining 10 x 100 or 1000 km per orbit.

Everyone else, please note that JimO's rough rule generally applies to circular orbits, not elliptical orbits.  The 100 km difference above does NOT apply to JimO's rule, because Dragon isn't at that altitude for the whole orbit.  Dragon will be correcting the horizontal offset a lot slower than you think.

Very interesting, thanks for the clarification!

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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #23 on: 03/02/2013 05:00 pm »
Tidbit: The ISS astrunauts finally found the Dragon Ventilation duct they were looking for behind a panel in (IIRC) node 2. If I understood it right, They got a tip from Suni and went to the panel with a screwdriver first thing this morning, and found it along with a missing CTB of stuff.

An entire CTB of stuff behind a panel that takes a screwdriver to access?

I've heard a couple times about items going missing on the ISS and taking quite a bit of effort to find. I had long assumed with as much planning as goes into operations, that everything is given a place, so if an astronaut didn't know what to do with something, they could radio MCC and ask. I wouldn't expect quite as much thoroughness as white room closeout, but at least enough that bags full of stuff don't end up stowed some place other than lockers.

On that topic, my wife just hounded me about cleaning our own house, so perhaps my surprise is a bit hypocritical.

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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #24 on: 03/02/2013 05:06 pm »
I had long assumed with as much planning as goes into operations, that everything is given a place, so if an astronaut didn't know what to do with something, they could radio MCC and ask. I wouldn't expect quite as much thoroughness as white room closeout, but at least enough that bags full of stuff don't end up stowed some place other than lockers.
That's how it's done. Actualy, there's an invetory database with all the items and their locations. However, things happen to get lost from time to time.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #25 on: 03/02/2013 06:06 pm »
Has NASA made a decision on a new berthing date yet?

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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #26 on: 03/02/2013 06:12 pm »
Has NASA made a decision on a new berthing date yet?

No, or it would have been noted.

Aiming for Sunday, but it was still with the ISS side to decide last I heard.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #27 on: 03/02/2013 06:51 pm »
Has NASA made a decision on a new berthing date yet?

No, or it would have been noted.

Aiming for Sunday, but it was still with the ISS side to decide last I heard.


Would it safe to assume the decision needs to be made before the crew goes to sleep tonight?
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #28 on: 03/02/2013 06:56 pm »
International Space Station Program and SpaceX managers Saturday gave the go-ahead for the SpaceX’s Dragon cargo vehicle to rendezvous with the station on Sunday, March 3.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/launch/index.html

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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #29 on: 03/02/2013 06:59 pm »
Looking at a SSRMS capture of the Dragon at 6:01 am EST.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #30 on: 03/02/2013 07:02 pm »
GOOD NEWS! (again) Looks like the mission has been "saved". Guess we can thank the quick thinkers at SpaceX and NASA for coming up with the solutions.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #31 on: 03/02/2013 07:06 pm »
Dragon update from Houston to the crew--go for capture tomorrow at 1101 GMT. The crew is excited and would like to see dragon passing above them but there aren't windows to allow it ;)
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #32 on: 03/02/2013 07:07 pm »
The update from the RSS feed:
http://www.nasa.gov/rss/crs_update.xml

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Dragon Docking With Station Set for Sunday
Saturday, March 02, 2013 2:49 PM

International Space Station Program and SpaceX managers Saturday gave the go-ahead for the SpaceX’s  Dragon cargo vehicle to rendezvous with the station on Sunday, March 3.

The station’s Mission Management Team unanimously agreed that Dragon’s propulsion system is operating normally along with its other systems and ready to support the rendezvous two days after Friday’s launch on a Falcon 9 rocket from the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla.

Dragon is scheduled to be captured Sunday at 6:01 EST by NASA Expedition 34 Commander  Kevin Ford and NASA Flight Engineer Tom Marshburn. Once grappled, Dragon will be installed onto the Earth-facing port of the Harmony module by ground experts at mission control in  Houston. The cargo vehicle will be bolted into place through commands by Flight Engineer Chris Hadfield of the Canadian Space Agency.

The operation of time-critical scientific experiments being delivered to the station on Dragon will be  reviewed during the course of berthed operations to ensure that all planned investigations are completed. Despite  the one-day delay in Dragon’s arrival at the station, its unberthing, release and splashdown remain planned for Monday, March 25.

SpaceX officials reported to the multinational management team that all of Dragon’s systems are operating  as planned in the wake of the temporary loss of three of four banks of thrusters after Dragon separated from the Falcon 9 rocket Friday. The time required to recover normal operation of all 18 Draco thrusters and verify their readiness caused the one-day delay.

SpaceX said it has high confidence there will be no repeat of the thruster problem during rendezvous,  including its capability to perform an abort, should that be required.

NASA TV coverage of rendezvous and grapple on Sunday, March 3 will begin at 3 a.m. Eastern time. Coverage  of berthing operations on NASA TV will begin at 7:30 a.m.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #33 on: 03/02/2013 07:08 pm »
International Space Station Program and SpaceX managers Saturday gave the go-ahead for the SpaceX’s Dragon cargo vehicle to rendezvous with the station on Sunday, March 3.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/structure/launch/index.html

Here's the callup (interesting that it was posted on the web prior to the crew hearing :) )

http://www.issaudio.host-ed.me/iss/iss_20130302-150000-004.wav

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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #34 on: 03/02/2013 07:13 pm »
And with that, they're opening up the CBM petals on Node 2 Nadir...looks like that's done.

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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #35 on: 03/02/2013 07:15 pm »
From the ISS feed - Node 2 Nadir CBM petals now open in prep for berthing.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #36 on: 03/02/2013 07:15 pm »
Any chance the station external cameras can or will try to see the Dragon heading aft?
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #37 on: 03/02/2013 07:16 pm »

I really don't know what SpaceX's problem seems to be when it comes to releasing info on this door -

Because they don't deem it as newsworthy.  It is minutia and not worth the effort.  Much like prop tank pressurization upon stage separation, there wasn't a callout for that, but we heard about it when it didn't happen.  So assume everything is going well until told otherwise.  Welcome to commercial space.  News doesn't report everything when it comes to other satellite deployments.  Only hear when something doesn't work.

What's interesting Jim is that SpaceX had a PR plan all setup,  if you were watching their stream.   They had plans to show off the solar deploy and also had some video waiting for Vandenberg.    So this issue blew their PR plans.
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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #38 on: 03/02/2013 07:35 pm »
What's interesting Jim is that SpaceX had a PR plan all setup,  if you were watching their stream.   They had plans to show off the solar deploy and also had some video waiting for Vandenberg.    So this issue blew their PR plans.
That's typical for commercial launch service providers, but those packages are only a few minutes long.  They would have to significantly extend their broadcast to hold on for the GNC door deploy.  Nerds like us would watch them tank for a WDR, but casual viewers aren't likely to wait for two hours after insertion.  We're part of the audience, not the whole audience.

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Re: LIVE: SpaceX Dragon CRS-2 (SpX-2) FD2-3 UPDATES
« Reply #39 on: 03/02/2013 08:02 pm »
Ok then, so I'll get an article written as we've got some good L2 content on the issues and also a nice walkthrough that will apply to this rendezvous. I'll get that on tonight ahead of rendezous ops. We'll be staying on this thread for the FD3 updates.
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