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« Reply #20 on: 01/28/2013 04:05 pm »
Does this launch have any scientific significance at all?

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« Reply #21 on: 01/28/2013 04:45 pm »

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« Reply #22 on: 01/28/2013 04:54 pm »

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« Reply #23 on: 01/28/2013 05:36 pm »

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« Reply #24 on: 01/28/2013 05:42 pm »
Iranian state television has showed footage of the capsule being retrieved.

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« Reply #25 on: 01/28/2013 05:50 pm »
Does this launch have any scientific significance at all?

About the same as Sputnik-2 - they can put a life-form above the atmosphere without it turning into a former life-form.  Really, this is just a propaganda 'spectacular'; launching an orbital life-supported return capsule is another level altogether.
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« Reply #26 on: 01/28/2013 05:56 pm »
Most likely flight was suborbital. 75 miles  altitude was reported.

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« Reply #27 on: 01/28/2013 06:13 pm »
Most likely flight was suborbital. 75 miles  altitude was reported.

It was absolutely sure suborbital, not just "most likely"

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« Reply #28 on: 01/28/2013 06:16 pm »
Well, in the race for space they are now just a notch over Copenhagen Suborbitals. ::) At least the Monkey was treated well during the flight. Something I can not say for Laika aboard Sputnik 2.
« Last Edit: 01/28/2013 06:20 pm by mr. mark »

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« Reply #29 on: 01/28/2013 06:23 pm »
Are they selling tickets? And why did they send Richard Branson's Mini-Me up first... ...hmmm?

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« Reply #30 on: 01/28/2013 07:29 pm »

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« Reply #31 on: 01/28/2013 07:42 pm »
Besides the propaganda - most likely for internal consumption, they also demonstrated that they can handle and operate a payload in a timely manner on a medium range ballistic missile. While not a big advancement, it is one more step in a ballistic missile program.

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« Reply #32 on: 01/28/2013 09:28 pm »

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« Reply #33 on: 01/28/2013 11:00 pm »
I really wish there was a way to make audible the apathy of the world to redoing space stunts from the 60s. All the Iranians will hear from the press coverage is the exposure they're getting. But how to do it? No-one is going to write "THIS DOESN'T MATTER" on the front page of the London Times. The media really want us to care about Iranians strapping an animal into a missile.

Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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« Reply #34 on: 01/28/2013 11:20 pm »
The Iranians have said they plan to attempt a manned flight in the next 5-8 years. I don't see how they're going to do that with this particular rocket. They'd better have something a lot better in the pipeline for that.

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« Reply #35 on: 01/29/2013 12:46 am »
The Iranians have said they plan to attempt a manned flight in the next 5-8 years. I don't see how they're going to do that with this particular rocket. They'd better have something a lot better in the pipeline for that.
Fromhttp://japanese.irib.ir/news/culture-society/item/34636
The traffic plan of a manned space capsule will be carried out in Iran in less than four years from now on.

Moreover, a launch to the orbit around the earth of the artificial satellite which carries man will be carried out within ten years from now on.

The fujelly director general of the Iran space aeronautics organization said, "After launching the live monky with an artificial satellite rocket, man is seen off in the space in the following stage."

He is said that and a manned space capsule traffic plan is the capsule which carries man being launched to a specific altitude, and returning to the earth, and this is further carried out among less than 30 minutes."
 

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« Reply #36 on: 01/29/2013 01:51 am »
I really wish there was a way to make audible the apathy of the world to redoing space stunts from the 60s. All the Iranians will hear from the press coverage is the exposure they're getting. But how to do it? No-one is going to write "THIS DOESN'T MATTER" on the front page of the London Times. The media really want us to care about Iranians strapping an animal into a missile.



Well, I managed to pretty much say that in the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/world/middleeast/iran-says-it-sent-monkey-into-space.html
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« Reply #37 on: 01/29/2013 03:40 am »
I really wish there was a way to make audible the apathy of the world to redoing space stunts from the 60s. All the Iranians will hear from the press coverage is the exposure they're getting. But how to do it? No-one is going to write "THIS DOESN'T MATTER" on the front page of the London Times. The media really want us to care about Iranians strapping an animal into a missile.


Here's what you are missing:  they aren't doing it for your applause.  We didn't launch monkeys decades ago for their applause.  To quote JFK, "If this...[history]...teaches us anything, it is that man, in his quest for knowledge and progress, is determined and cannot be deterred."  "We choose to...[do these things]...not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

How many programmers have written little "hello world" apps?  How many musicians have played through the various classical works for their instrument?  The point is, anyone learning a skill or tackling an enormous task has to start with basics, and slowly add capabilities.  It always starts out crudely.  It may not be newsworthy to you, but it's a triumph for their efforts.

And the point, to Iranians, is that whoever else may have done this in the past, WE can do this, and not just this but there's hope and expectation for better things in the future.

There's a tendency, both in the media and on this forum, to view North Korean and Iranian space attempts purely from a military perspective.  (As was done with coverage of the Soviet Union.)  The military aspects are certainly important, but it's dehumanizing to ignore that they might get a kick out of pushing out into space, exploring, accomplishing an enormously difficult task, and putting the lie to some of the backward stereotypes.

And who knows?  Just as Americans are happy to use Russian rocket engines and first stages and ISS segments now, perhaps some day we'll all be happy to have available some expertise the Iranians and/or North Koreans have developed.  I'm cheering, in the hopes that those human achievements, even in the midst of a government whose agenda I do not like, will someday be freed to dominate the military goals.  Just as von Braun's rocketry was freed from the Nazi war machine, and Korolev's rocketry was freed from the Soviet system.


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« Reply #38 on: 01/29/2013 04:37 am »
Here's what you are missing:  they aren't doing it for your applause.  We didn't launch monkeys decades ago for their applause.

They're doing it now for the same reason that the Russians did it with dogs..

It's not some noble goal of knowledge, challenge or exploration that is getting them their funding, it's the idea that achievements like this (and the human flights that will no doubt follow) somehow show the world how progressive and powerful Iran is.

In short, they are doing it for our applause. They are trying to impress us and we're not impressed. I just wish there was a way to convey that.
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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« Reply #39 on: 01/29/2013 06:15 am »
Well, you can't bottle EQ, man. If that were possible, then someone could load up a warhead with it, and bombard the planet with it.  :P

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