Quote from: envy887 on 12/17/2018 01:59 pmQuote from: Norm38 on 12/17/2018 01:45 pmI don't know how else the team would be able to "get performance back". Get it back from where?Get it back from margin reserves.That's what I'm saying, SpaceX already knows their margin reserves. USAF and LM are saying they need this flight to determine how much lift they actually need. They're lucky the F9 has margin to spare. Since it seems that they don't have hard numbers yet.Or to Gongora's point, they're not willing to take any chances with this bird, but will take more risks with later flights.
Quote from: Norm38 on 12/17/2018 01:45 pmI don't know how else the team would be able to "get performance back". Get it back from where?Get it back from margin reserves.
I don't know how else the team would be able to "get performance back". Get it back from where?
Secondly, SpaceX's goal is to reduce the price of launches through reuse. Assuming they do reduce the price of recoverable launches eventually, there is a fleet of identical GPS satellites. Wouldn't it be cheaper for the Air Force to accept the original performance (without margins) and, if one of them fails to reach the original contract orbit, build an extra satellite and launch it on SpaceX's dime? Even though it could have done so if SpaceX hadn't reserved fuel for recovery? The Air Force would get a whole bunch of cheaper launches in return, saving millions of dollars in launch costs.
Back in September, Lockheed Martin was awarded a contract to build two more GPS III satellites after the initial run of 10 satellites, with options for a further 20. Bloomberg reported a possible maximum price of $7.2bn for 22 satellites. I make that $327m per satellite. Clearly that is much more than any possible saving from landing boosters - it's more than 3 times the total price SpaceX are being paid for the second launch ($96.5m).
The US Air Force says this is the first national security launch for SpaceX. What about NROL-71 and OTV-5?
At least the question if this payload would be horizontally or vertically integrated has been answered that it was horizontally integrated.
With the press kit, we can now see the sequence of burns:Launch into an LEO x 4000 km orbit (about 2 hour period). Takes LEO + 830 m/s.Wait one hour until apogee, then go 4000 x 20000 km (6.9 hour orbit) . Takes 1960 m/s. Release satellite.Second stage coasts to apogee (3.45 more hours). Then a retrograde burn at -480 m/s to a 100 x 20000 orbit (5.8 hour period). Wait 2.9 hours and re-enter.Total delta-V is about LEO+3270 m/s, as predicted. Re-entry at launch + 6.5 hours, as stated. Satellite needs about 970 m/s to circularize.
Quote from: RDMM2081 on 12/17/2018 05:40 amIf excess performance of the first stage is only reserved for margin, could SpaceX still execute entry and landing burns, sans ASDS, as an “I told you so”?No. That's not how it works. You always transfer your margins, aka you impart as much velocity to the second stage as possible to cover for an eventual 2nd stage or satellite performance shortfall.<more>
If excess performance of the first stage is only reserved for margin, could SpaceX still execute entry and landing burns, sans ASDS, as an “I told you so”?
Quote from: LouScheffer on 12/17/2018 06:32 pmWith the press kit, we can now see the sequence of burns:Launch into an LEO x 4000 km orbit (about 2 hour period). Takes LEO + 830 m/s.Wait one hour until apogee, then go 4000 x 20000 km (6.9 hour orbit) . Takes 1960 m/s. Release satellite.Second stage coasts to apogee (3.45 more hours). Then a retrograde burn at -480 m/s to a 100 x 20000 orbit (5.8 hour period). Wait 2.9 hours and re-enter.Total delta-V is about LEO+3270 m/s, as predicted. Re-entry at launch + 6.5 hours, as stated. Satellite needs about 970 m/s to circularize.Also note that the 55 deg orbit inclination requires more delta-v just to get to LEO than a 28.5 deg GTO type inclination. Something like 240 m/s extra, maybe?
Just a question on classification of this mission:The US Air Force says this is the first national security launch for SpaceX. What about NROL-71 and OTV-5? Is this an admission that, while classified, they weren't national security? Or is it more proper to say that GPS III SV01 was SpaceX's first competitively won national security mission?Just trying to keep this straight with what the company's launched since this contract was bid on (2015) and awarded (April 2016).
Also note that the 55 deg orbit inclination requires more delta-v just to get to LEO than a 28.5 deg GTO type inclination. Something like 240 m/s extra, maybe?
[...] A 55 degree orbit [...]
The satellite, valued at more than a half-billion dollars, is heading to an orbit around 12,550 miles (20,200 kilometers) above Earth, with a ground track angled 55 degrees to the equator.
From Ben Coopers Facebook page:A new era in GPS is finally set to begin: The first block III Global Positioning System satellite is poised for liftoff for the US Air Force Tuesday morning at 9:11 a.m. EST aboard this Falcon 9 rocket. This will mark the 20th and final space launch from Cape Canaveral this year, the most since 1998.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10101611102824218&set=a.912747205518&type=3&theater
Quote from: LouScheffer on 12/18/2018 03:15 am[...] A 55 degree orbit [...]Careful, Spaceflight Now reports a 55 deg ground track to the equator: Quote The satellite, valued at more than a half-billion dollars, is heading to an orbit around 12,550 miles (20,200 kilometers) above Earth, with a ground track angled 55 degrees to the equator.Is this the same as a 55 deg orbit? I might have my mental gymnastics confused, but this sounds to me that the ground track and not the orbital plane is angled at 55 degrees. When imagining the ground track of a ~12h orbit, it should make a figure - 8 type track that ranges from far north to far south. Since the Earth is rotating, an orbital plane at 55 degrees should not produce a ground track that crosses the equator at 55 degrees.Or maybe Spaceflight Now just used unlucky wording and they meant a 55deg orbital plane.
A 55 degree orbit passes over the cape (lat 28.5o) at an azimuth of 40.74o, from azimuth = sin-1(cos(55o)/cos(28.5o)). We need about 7800 m/s for an LEO, at this angle (in an inertial frame).Now the North-South component of this is 5910 m/s. The East-West component is 5090 m/s, but the Earth rotation provides 409 m/s of this at latitude 28.5o. That leaves 4681 m/s to be provided by the rocket. So the rocket needs to provide sqrt(5910^2+4681^2) = 7539 m/s. So the Earth's rotation here saves 7800-7539 = 261 m/s. Compared to the 409 m/s savings of a due-East GTO launch, that's 148 m/s more that the rocket needs to provide.As a side effect, we can find the launch azimuth in the Earth-rotating frame as 90o-tan-1(5910/4681) = 38.38o.
Quote from: LouScheffer on 12/18/2018 03:15 amA 55 degree orbit passes over the cape (lat 28.5o) at an azimuth of 40.74o, from azimuth = sin-1(cos(55o)/cos(28.5o)). We need about 7800 m/s for an LEO, at this angle (in an inertial frame).Now the North-South component of this is 5910 m/s. The East-West component is 5090 m/s, but the Earth rotation provides 409 m/s of this at latitude 28.5o. That leaves 4681 m/s to be provided by the rocket. So the rocket needs to provide sqrt(5910^2+4681^2) = 7539 m/s. So the Earth's rotation here saves 7800-7539 = 261 m/s. Compared to the 409 m/s savings of a due-East GTO launch, that's 148 m/s more that the rocket needs to provide.As a side effect, we can find the launch azimuth in the Earth-rotating frame as 90o-tan-1(5910/4681) = 38.38o.An azimuth of 40.74o looks right, but have you swapped your sin and cos of that angle?I get:vertical component = sin(40.74) * 7800 = 5090 m/shorizontal component = cos(40.74) * 7800 = 5910 m/sSubtract rotation: 5910 - 409 = 5501 m/sFrom this, sqrt(5090^2 + 5501^2) = 7494 m/s.7800 - 7494 = 306 m/s.409 - 306 = 103 m/s, so only 103 m/s more required than zero azimuth at 28.5oN.