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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #20 on: 01/16/2013 03:54 PM »
Contract for one unit and a spare...
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ESA are going to look at possibilities for an ESA astronaut on EM-2. Laughs on the panel suggest this is going to be the case.

Thomas kinda skips by saying it is a conversation he will have with Gerst, but they are looking at the technical side first.

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Gerst says he has no personal preference on the exploration roadmap, but they are still looking at the options.

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #23 on: 01/16/2013 03:59 PM »
Hmmm, Gerst just seemed to imply that EM-1 would be unmanned? Has this always been the case? Or perhaps I misunderstand.

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Hmmm, Gerst just seemed to imply that EM-1 would be unmanned? Has this always been the case? Or perhaps I misunderstand.

EM-1 has always been unmanned. It's always been the case. EM-2 is the crewed mission.

I've reported this enough times....

EM-1:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/02/exploration-mission-1-sls-orion-debut-mission-moon-outlined/

EM-2:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2012/10/em-2-orion-crew-spend-four-days-lunar-orbit/
« Last Edit: 01/16/2013 04:02 PM by Chris Bergin »

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #25 on: 01/16/2013 04:02 PM »
No ESA hardware for EFT-1, will be for EM-1...
« Last Edit: 01/16/2013 04:03 PM by Chris Bergin »
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Whoops. NASA TV cut out to this:

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And back. End of the year EFT-1 Orion will be sent to the launch vehicle (ULA).

Going to use doublers over the small cracks. Heh, ET Stringer redux.
« Last Edit: 01/16/2013 04:07 PM by Chris Bergin »

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #28 on: 01/16/2013 04:06 PM »

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #29 on: 01/16/2013 04:06 PM »
Was the guy from ESA talking about using Orion an Ariane 5. I didn't fully follow that.

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #30 on: 01/16/2013 04:10 PM »
Crack in Orion pressure vessel was caused by material being too thin near a weld but no pressure vessel penetration. Will be repaired by a load doubler...
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ESA budget number questions at the moment.

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Orion overmass question.

4,000 lbs over if you take EFT-1 Orion and add all the crew and equipment to EM-1 Orion. "But we're not flying EM-1 Orion tomorrow. So we now what we need to get lighter.

"Mass is going to be a challenge".

Sounds like Constellation all over again, this time Orion being the pain.

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Main engine (OME), and some other elements like network cards will be from NASA for integration.

Still a bit shocked by Mark's almost defeatist answer on Orion mass. "Got to be aggressive. It's not easy."

They've had years and years on this vehicle, and it was too heavy for Ares 1. Now it's currently too heavy for EM-2 on SLS?

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #34 on: 01/16/2013 04:23 PM »
They've had years and years on this vehicle, and it was too heavy for Ares 1. Now it's currently too heavy for EM-2 on SLS?

It's not too heavy for SLS, the primary problem is the parachute load, AFAIK.

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"Once we start picking destinations" we'll need to look at long duration habs - Gerst.

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They've had years and years on this vehicle, and it was too heavy for Ares 1. Now it's currently too heavy for EM-2 on SLS?

It's not too heavy for SLS, the primary problem is the parachute load, AFAIK.

Ahh, very good. Still worrying, but I was wondering if they were launching it with lead bricks as the TPS at one point ;D

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Presser over. Will do an article later.

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #38 on: 01/16/2013 04:28 PM »
Main engine (OME), and some other elements like network cards will be from NASA for integration.

Still a bit shocked by Mark's almost defeatist answer on Orion mass. "Got to be aggressive. It's not easy."

He also said that they would learn more about what they can they substract to Orion's mass after the EFT-1 test flight.

Mass is a problem for EM2 but not for EM1? Because EM1 is unmanned, I suppose?
« Last Edit: 01/16/2013 04:30 PM by yg1968 »

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #39 on: 01/16/2013 04:28 PM »
ESA budget number questions at the moment.
Anyone got the figure?

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