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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #120 on: 01/26/2013 04:00 am »
http://www.spacenews.com/article/german-space-chief-confident-europe-will-keep-building-orion-prop-modules-for-nasa#.UQNg1L-9LTo

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German Space Chief Confident Europe Will Keep Building Orion Prop Modules for NASA

Jan. 24, 2013

Woerner said NASA is ready to let Europe build all future Orion propulsion modules.
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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #121 on: 01/26/2013 04:42 pm »
FWIW,  I don't really think that there has been any real thought, let alone a decision about what happens after EM-2.  That said, unless EADS makes a complete hash of things, I doubt that there will be much pressure to change manufacturers of the SM after the first few test flights.

The only possible competition would be if the ATV-derived SM is only an interim design and, after EM-2, will be directly evaluated against the LM unit to see what will be the 'production' model used.
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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #122 on: 01/29/2013 09:33 pm »
http://www.spacenews.com/article/german-space-chief-confident-europe-will-keep-building-orion-prop-modules-for-nasa#.UQNg1L-9LTo

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German Space Chief Confident Europe Will Keep Building Orion Prop Modules for NASA

Jan. 24, 2013

Woerner said NASA is ready to let Europe build all future Orion propulsion modules.
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Given that the ATV thrusters are from Aerojet and the main engine will be supplied by NASA that's only part of the module.

« Last Edit: 01/30/2013 06:55 am by john smith 19 »
MCT ITS BFR SS. The worlds first Methane fueled FFSC engined CFRP SS structure A380 sized aerospaceplane tail sitter capable of Earth & Mars atmospheric flight.First flight to Mars by end of 2022 TBC. T&C apply. Trust nothing. Run your own #s "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" R. Simberg."Competitve" means cheaper ¨cheap SCramjet proposed 1956. First +ve thrust 2004. US R&D spend to date > $10Bn. #deployed designs. Zero.

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #123 on: 01/30/2013 06:42 pm »
The only possible competition would be if the ATV-derived SM is only an interim design and, after EM-2, will be directly evaluated against the LM unit to see what will be the 'production' model used.
Which begs the question "How much work has LM done on the SM?"
MCT ITS BFR SS. The worlds first Methane fueled FFSC engined CFRP SS structure A380 sized aerospaceplane tail sitter capable of Earth & Mars atmospheric flight.First flight to Mars by end of 2022 TBC. T&C apply. Trust nothing. Run your own #s "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" R. Simberg."Competitve" means cheaper ¨cheap SCramjet proposed 1956. First +ve thrust 2004. US R&D spend to date > $10Bn. #deployed designs. Zero.

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #124 on: 02/05/2013 05:45 pm »
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Asked if NASA-ESA deal is intended to be for the long term, Williams says it "points in that direction"; current one limited by ISS contract
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/298459080874422272

A couple of other tweets of interests:
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Dumbacher: gap between 1st 2 SLS flights (2017 and 2021) driven by budget to get crew systems in Orion. "It is not a desirable situation."
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/298470915673554944

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Dumbacher: current long-term plans (post-2021) call for 1 SLS/Orion launch every 2 years. Subject to change as plans and budgets evolve.
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/298472907837935617
« Last Edit: 02/05/2013 05:53 pm by yg1968 »

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #125 on: 02/05/2013 06:33 pm »
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Dumbacher: current long-term plans (post-2021) call for 1 SLS/Orion launch every 2 years. Subject to change as plans and budgets evolve.
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/298472907837935617

On SLS/Orion every two years. Now that's what I call exploration!  ::)

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #126 on: 02/05/2013 06:39 pm »
aka "Chinese flight rates"

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #127 on: 02/05/2013 06:59 pm »
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On SLS/Orion every two years. Now that's what I call exploration!

Maybe a la mars one, slowly building a colony ;)

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #128 on: 02/05/2013 07:00 pm »

A couple of other tweets of interests:
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Dumbacher: gap between 1st 2 SLS flights (2017 and 2021) driven by budget to get crew systems in Orion. "It is not a desirable situation."
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/298470915673554944

If "crew systems" means ECLSS, this may have appeared last July:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=30050.0

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    http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/675947main_HEOC%20Minutes%20July%202012-508.pdf

    National Aeronautics and Space Administration
    Washington, DC
    NASA ADVISORY COUNCIL
    Human Exploration and Operations Committee
    July 23-24, 2012 Goddard Space Flight Center Greenbelt, MD
    MEETING MINUTES

    In response to a question from Mr. Malow, Mr. Hill indicated that the 2017 mission is included in the out-year profile; however, the 2021 mission is not in the profile yet because NASA is assuming flat-funding. The ďtall poleĒ for Orion is the ECLSS, and the 2017 mission will have some of that.
"I canít tell you which asteroid, but there will be one in 2025," Bolden asserted.

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #129 on: 02/05/2013 09:15 pm »
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Dumbacher: current long-term plans (post-2021) call for 1 SLS/Orion launch every 2 years. Subject to change as plans and budgets evolve.
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/298472907837935617

It would have been nice if there had been an additional sentence like "The flat budget assumption we're currently operating under would allow for 1 SLS/Orion launch every year, but we're planning to use the money saved for developing other necessary exploration systems."

But there wasn't, it seems, so perhaps one every two years really is all that the projected budget can support.

Edit: expanded last sentence.
« Last Edit: 02/05/2013 09:17 pm by ChileVerde »
"I canít tell you which asteroid, but there will be one in 2025," Bolden asserted.

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Re: LIVE: ESA and NASA Announcement on Orion SM - Jan 16, 2013
« Reply #130 on: 02/05/2013 09:32 pm »
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Dumbacher: current long-term plans (post-2021) call for 1 SLS/Orion launch every 2 years. Subject to change as plans and budgets evolve.
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/298472907837935617

On SLS/Orion every two years. Now that's what I call exploration!  ::)

I find it ironic that people love to praise the Chinese for their accomplishments and use it as fear mongering when their flight rate is worse than that with much less capabilities.
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