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Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« on: 01/12/2013 06:46 am »
While researching a new subject for a coming up model diorama I am going to make, I noticed that all Soyuz launchers were their regular grey colour with orange bands around the engine sections apart from Soyuz 19 which was used for the 1975 docking with Apollo.
The used Soyuz appeared to be white on the photographs. There are two I know of the rocket, one on the transporter, photographed from a helicopter or a high tower, probably the first, and the launch itself. The launch can't really be a good reference due to the frost on the tanks, of course, but it appears to me that the parts of the launcher that usually are not frosted were white too.





Anyone on the reason? to let it look more like the 1967 Paris mock up of Vostok?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #1 on: 01/12/2013 09:53 am »
The launcher on display in Le Bourget in 1967 was not a mockup. It was a real launcher, that was launched from Baykonur later.
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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #2 on: 01/12/2013 09:57 am »
Really? Well, that's a nice addition to know, actually. Thanks for that.
But then, there still remains the question why the Soyuz 19 booster was all white, too.
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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #3 on: 01/12/2013 12:44 pm »
why the Soyuz 19 booster was all white?
May be, political reasons. Such as in Le Bourget.
White dove with olive branch

White doves are often associated with the concept of peace and pacifism.


Илл.3. Ракетно-космический комплекс с кораблем «Союз-19» на пути к стартовой площадке. Байконур, утро 12 июля 1975 года
LV "Soyuz-19" on the way to the launch pad. Baikonur, morning July 12, 1975
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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #4 on: 01/15/2013 11:16 pm »
why dont we ask someone at baikonur or star city - a Russian space historian - about this subject?

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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #5 on: 01/16/2013 08:59 am »
why the Soyuz 19 booster was all white?
May be, political reasons. Such as in Le Bourget.
White dove with olive branch

White doves are often associated with the concept of peace and pacifism.


Илл.3. Ракетно-космический комплекс с кораблем «Союз-19» на пути к стартовой площадке. Байконур, утро 12 июля 1975 года
LV "Soyuz-19" on the way to the launch pad. Baikonur, morning July 12, 1975


Yes. And because american rockets for space were white... As the soviets knew that the launch and all things around will be worldwide extensively seen, they thought that is better to show the soyouz rocket as a peacefull one and not with its grey/green face originating from its military debuts.
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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #6 on: 01/16/2013 10:52 am »
But, as usual, the orange stripe was painted for monitoring the takeoff trajectory.  :)

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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #7 on: 01/16/2013 03:14 pm »
What about the back-up rocket?

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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #8 on: 01/17/2013 01:07 pm »
What about the back-up rocket?


02.12.1974 launch Soyuz-16    APAS-75 solo test flight

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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #9 on: 01/17/2013 04:52 pm »
What about the back-up rocket?


02.12.1974 launch Soyuz-16    APAS-75 solo test flight

Was there not one sitting on the other launch site with another Soyuz 7K-TM?

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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #10 on: 01/17/2013 05:15 pm »
What about the back-up rocket?
02.12.1974 launch Soyuz-16    APAS-75 solo test flight

Was there not one sitting on the other launch site with another Soyuz 7K-TM?

IIRC, the backup systems were flown later on as Soyuz 22.

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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #11 on: 01/17/2013 05:22 pm »
What about the back-up rocket?
02.12.1974 launch Soyuz-16    APAS-75 solo test flight

Was there not one sitting on the other launch site with another Soyuz 7K-TM?

IIRC, the backup systems were flown later on as Soyuz 22.


 According to N.K. №76 on site 31 was dismantled afterwards because of the propellent in its tanks; parts were used for Soyuz-31. Soyuz-22 was №74.

http://88.210.62.157/content/numbers/231/37.shtml
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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #12 on: 01/17/2013 06:31 pm »

 According to N.K. №76 on site 31 was dismantled afterwards because of the propellent in its tanks; parts were used for Soyuz-31. Soyuz-22 was №74.

http://88.210.62.157/content/numbers/231/37.shtml

Yes, you're correct. Did you see any photo of this rocket (btw, what no. it had) with spacecraft №76 on site 31?

It can be expected that the rocket with soyuz № 76 (the same crew as in Soyuz 16) was painted in the same way as 11А511У № Ф15000-17 soyuz-u rocket!
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Re: Soyuz-19 ASTP rollout
« Reply #13 on: 01/17/2013 06:38 pm »
Was there not one sitting on the other launch site with another Soyuz 7K-TM?
Soyuz-16 was tested APAS-75 with special ring.
Was to check the hard capture and emergency disconnection with pyro



Spacecraft Soyuz-22 was back-up for spacecraft Soyuz-19.

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