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"Korolyov Cross"
« on: 12/19/2012 04:41 PM »
Does anyone know the origin of the "Korolyov Cross" name given to the sight of the four burning strap-on boosters separating from the burning core stage for a Soyuz-class launch?

It seems to have entered usage in the West about two-three years ago.
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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #1 on: 12/19/2012 07:14 PM »
Start with the following Wiki's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-7_(rocket_family)


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The Korolev cross is a visual effect observed in the smoke plumes of the R-7 series rockets during separation of the four liquid-fuel booster rockets attached to the core stage. As the boosters fall away from the rocket, they pitch over symmetrically due to aerodynamic forces acting on them, forming a cross shape behind the rocket. The effect is named after Sergey Korolev, who designed the R-7. When the rocket is launched into clear skies, the effect can be seen from the ground at the launch site.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Korolev
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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #2 on: 12/19/2012 07:44 PM »
Start with the following Wiki's…
Do you realise who you are replying to?

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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #3 on: 12/19/2012 07:56 PM »
Start with the following Wiki's…
Do you realise who you are replying to?
Nope. I don't know who he is.  There is a Phillip Clark from Hastings England profile on Amazon.com. The profile owner there has done a collection of reviews, mostly one star reviews of anti-science books. 

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« Last Edit: 12/19/2012 07:57 PM by LegendCJS »
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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #4 on: 12/19/2012 07:58 PM »
I remember reading something about that designation appearing on the first R-7 launches, but at this time I don't remember where I've read that (maybe on Boris Chertok's 'Rockets and People'?)

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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #5 on: 12/19/2012 07:59 PM »
Start with the following Wiki's…
Do you realise who you are replying to?
Nope. I don't know who he is.  There is a Phillip Clark from Hastings England profile on Amazon.com. The profile owner there has done a collection of reviews, mostly one star reviews of anti-science books. 

Be helpful and fill us in? Do we have a space related celebrity in our midst?  I'm getting my hopes up.

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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #7 on: 12/19/2012 08:39 PM »
(Suppose I'll have to wear my dark sunglasses and my wig-hat on my head", to quote someone else.)
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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #8 on: 12/19/2012 08:44 PM »
(Suppose I'll have to wear my dark sunglasses and my wig-hat on my head", to quote someone else.)

Never seen that Barnes and Noble piece before.   I wanted to get lots of technical stuff in the book, the light reading style is for others who aren't interested in the technical stuff.
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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #9 on: 12/19/2012 11:37 PM »
Aka "meduza"
"Selene, the Moon. Selenginsk, an old town in Siberia: moon-rocket  town" Vladimir Nabokov

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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #10 on: 12/20/2012 06:20 AM »
Aka "meduza"

I had seen that name many years ago.   It seems to have originated in the West because it specifically related to night launches out of Plesetsk, pre-dating the official Soviet announcement that Plesetsk existed.
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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #11 on: 12/20/2012 08:33 AM »
Just being curious Phillip, but did your question arise as a result of the beautiful Korolyov Cross that was visible in yesterday's launch?

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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #12 on: 12/20/2012 08:40 AM »
Just being curious Phillip, but did your question arise as a result of the beautiful Korolyov Cross that was visible in yesterday's launch?

No, it is something that I have wondered everytime I see a Soyuz (launcher) launch and also the CZ-2F launches live.   Yesterday I simply decided to pose the question about the term's origin.
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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #13 on: 12/20/2012 08:58 AM »
http://kids.samgd.ru/my_region/cosmonavtics_day/69028/

Д.И. Козлов вспоминал: «Знаменитый авиа­конструктор А.Н. Туполев в своё время заметил, что хорошо летать может только красивый само­лёт. То же самое можно сказать и о ракете Р-7... Мы, испытатели, отметили эту красоту ракеты ещё в момент её первого пуска. А затем, когда ракета уже научилась летать без аварий и мы все впервые наблюдали отделение «боковушек», происходившее на большой высоте, то неожидан­но для себя заметили и другое: в небе словно бы вспыхивал огненный крест, что на Руси испокон веков считалось знамением победы».

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fkids.samgd.ru%2Fmy_region%2Fcosmonavtics_day%2F69028%2F

DI Kozlov, recalled: "The famous aircraft AN Tupolev once said that good can fly just a beautiful airplane. The same can be said of the rocket R-7 ... We, testers noted that beauty missiles are at the time of the first launch. And then, when the missile has learned to fly without crashing and we first observed the department "bokovushek" which took place at high altitude, then unexpectedly noticed something else: in the sky seemed to be flashed fiery cross, which in Russia for centuries it was considered a sign of victory " .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Ilyich_Kozlov

memoirs in russian http://www.astronaut.ru/bookcase/article/article129.htm?reload_coolmenus

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Re: "Korolyov Cross"
« Reply #14 on: 12/23/2012 08:40 AM »

LV Soyuz launch from Plesetsk 22th of  May 2009 – view from Vologda
« Last Edit: 12/23/2012 10:29 AM by fregate »
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