Baiterek Project Officially Ends With Kazakh Pullout

[Danderman]

Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html

This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.

you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.

Because the Russians are building a new cosmodrome in Russia, you believe that the Kazakhs are now talking about ending the lease for Baikonur ........... why?   

If its not about trying to charge the Russians more cash for the Baikonur lease, then what are the Kazakhs trying to gain?   

If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?   

[Prober]

Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html

This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.

you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.

If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?   

Get some argeement now to continue Protons.   When the replacement is ready you don't play your hand.  They have launch orders now for Proton and Russia would loose that business with a closeure.

Wild Idea, maybe Kazakh want to keep launching Proton after Russia leaves?   

[spaceStalker]

Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

[Prober]

Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.

[Stan Black]

Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.

Proton-PM will switch from manufacturing RD-276 to RD-191

[Prober]

Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.

Proton-PM will switch from manufacturing RD-276 to RD-191

since they manufacture engines in batches....would be interesting to know how many RD-276 are around.

[zaitcev]

This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.

Not at all: they are trying to take over the place, which assumes stopping paying any rent, not increasing it. The timing is the revenge for "Vostochnyi" and its role in the collapse of "Baiterek".

[russianhalo117]

Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html

This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.

you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.

If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?   

Get some argeement now to continue Protons.   When the replacement is ready you don't play your hand.  They have launch orders now for Proton and Russia would loose that business with a closeure.

Wild Idea, maybe Kazakh want to keep launching Proton after Russia leaves?   

Kazakh officials have publicly told their affected citizens more than once that they plan to bannish every hypergolic (non environmentally friendly) rocket/booster/missile from Kazakh soil once Angara and Soyuz-2.1v launcher families start commercial/government satellite launches, so I doubt they will agree to your profound plan to place further toxins inside their borders when Proton, Dnepr, Rockot, Strela, Cosmos, Cyclone become redundant launch boosters.

[Danderman]

Kazakhstan could have supported early Angara use at Baikonur, but that train has left the station. All that they can do now is try to extract more rent from Russia.

[sammie]

Kazakh officials have publicly told their affected citizens more than once that they plan to bannish every hypergolic (non environmentally friendly) rocket/booster/missile from Kazakh soil

I have a rather low opinion of Kazakhi Officials. They'll do whatever fetches them the most cash. In this case it is launching Proton but kicking and screaming (and receiving bribes) while their doing it. Not that the affected citizens will see one penny of course.

[Prober]

Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html

This has nothing to do with Kazakh "investment" in Baikonur, and everything to do with trying to raise the rent the Russians pay.

you think this has to do with rent, I disagree. 

The Kazakh gov. has wised up that Proton has only a couple more years in Baikonur.  Soyuz will still be launched but in smaller numbers.

If Protons are allegedly going to stop launching in a few years, how do the Kazakhs mitigate that by ending Baikonur's lease?   

Get some argeement now to continue Protons.   When the replacement is ready you don't play your hand.  They have launch orders now for Proton and Russia would loose that business with a closeure.

Wild Idea, maybe Kazakh want to keep launching Proton after Russia leaves?   

Kazakh officials have publicly told their affected citizens more than once that they plan to bannish every hypergolic (non environmentally friendly) rocket/booster/missile from Kazakh soil once Angara and Soyuz-2.1v launcher families start commercial/government satellite launches, so I doubt they will agree to your profound plan to place further toxins inside their borders when Proton, Dnepr, Rockot, Strela, Cosmos, Cyclone become redundant launch boosters.

Interesting bit of info.  S

[Stan Black]

Why Proton is about to stop launching from Baikonur?

Will be replaced by Angara rocket launched from Russia land.

Proton-PM will switch from manufacturing RD-276 to RD-191

since they manufacture engines in batches....would be interesting to know how many RD-276 are around.

1996 - 7 sets
1997 - 7 sets
1998 - 10 sets
1999 - 7 sets
2000 - 10 sets
2001 - 6 sets
2002 - 6 sets
2003 - 6 sets
2004 - 7 sets
2005 - 8 sets
2006 - 8 sets
2007 - 10 sets
2008 - 12 sets
2009
2010 - 11 sets
2011 - 11 sets
2012 - 12 sets - planned production

2007 was a mixed batch with the final production of RD-275 and RD-276 introduction (referered to as RD-275M during development).

Source:-
http://www.protonpm.ru/

[Prober]

Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html

any updates on this story?

[Danderman]

Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease


http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html

any updates on this story?

Baltarek is still dead.

[russianhalo117]

Woke up to read front page Yahoo news today....

Kazakhstan mulls ending Russia's cosmodrome lease

http://news.yahoo.com/kazakhstan-mulls-ending-russias-cosmodrome-lease-075818121.html

any updates on this story?

I have not had a chance to check since my electric and communications lines were reconnected to house after an ice storm. I will look into it next week when my systems become more reliable again.

[Prober]

posted in another area is this story.  http://ria.ru/science/20130124/919484484.html

I translated it in google....very interesting.

MOSCOW, Jan. 24 - RIA Novosti. Russia and Kazakhstan can stop working on all joint projects in the field because of the limited space launches of Russian rockets from "Baikonur", wrote on Thursday the newspaper "Izvestia" , with reference to an official note to the Russian Foreign Ministry.
The Government of Kazakhstan approved a previously Russia plans to launch a spacecraft and missile test launches from the Baikonur "cosmodrome" in 2013. The number of launches rocket "Proton-M" for space launches in 2013 was reduced to 12 (from 14 in 2012.) In addition, it is assumed that the launches of spacecraft with a new impact area separating parts of rockets such as "Union" shall be allowed only after the signing of the treaty.
The newspaper said the Russian Foreign Ministry sent an official note to the Kazakh side (copy in possession of "News") on the situation with the cosmodrome "Baikonur". The document contains a list of measures that are ready to go to Russia if Kazakhstan does not reverse its decision to limit the rocket launches from the Baikonur "cosmodrome".

"In this situation, Russia will be forced to reconsider whether to continue bilateral cooperation on joint projects, including the program" Dnepr "joint project" Baiterek "considering plans to translate it into a booster" Zenith "and several other" - the document says.

Moscow and Astana share cosmodrome "Baikonur" in 1999, in January 2004, the Russian Baikonur lease was extended until 2050. The annual lease payment Russia is 115 million spaceport operation costs Russia about 5 billion rubles a year. Kazakh Foreign Minister Yerlan Idrisov January 24-25 visit to Moscow, where he plans to discuss the operation of the cosmodrome "Baikonur".
Agreement on the establishment of "Baikonur" space rocket complex "Baiterek" to launch rockets "Angara" Russia and Kazakhstan signed in 2004. However, the leadership Kazkosmos in January stated that it was inappropriate to participate in the project if Russia decides to build a launch complex for the "Angara" at the Baikonur East. He is on the same latitude as the Baikonur, which, according to the Kazakh side, will make "Baiterek" East and direct competitors for commercial launches.
Carrier rocket "Dnepr" was created on the basis of intercontinental ballistic missile RS-20 (SS-18 "Satan"), starts with the help of satellites since 1999, is engaged in the Ukrainian-Russian-Kazakh JSC "Kosmotras." Only the last 17 successful launches, to the launch of 62 spacecraft.

[Prober]

From what I know...

Dnepr is a dead program anyhow?   No more launches.

this is turning into a much larger story.

[russianhalo117]

From what I know...

Dnepr is a dead program anyhow?   No more launches.

this is turning into a much larger story.

Not completely yet as new officials were put in place at order of certain Russian Officials at the end of last year. And there is confirmation of program restart of operations but there is no longer mention of Baikonur.

[Prober]

Well looks like the story has legs. The Associated press has gotten a hold of it.

Russia, Kazakhstan spar over space launch pad
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-kazakhstan-spar-over-space-launch-pad-180452221.html

[owais.usmani]

http://ria.ru/science/20130213/922698294.html

Kazkosmos boss says Baiterek will be moved forward, using "Zenit" instead of "Angara"