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#760 by roma847 on 15 Jun, 2015 18:19
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Thanks Dave for your great compliment, which is balm for the soul.
Maybe some guys might keep my attention to detail for being over the top, especially in this scale,
but I think I'm at a point of no return. 
Because I'm my own harshest critic, I have to be largely satisfied by the result, otherwise I will not rest.
BTW, so far my patience is sufficient yet and this tricky scratch building also makes still fun.
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#761 by Darren_Hensley on 16 Jun, 2015 00:54
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WOW!
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#762 by roma847 on 18 Jun, 2015 07:56
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Thanks Darren!
Hello all together,
in the meantime, I have made the remaining three Type 2 Supports, so these six supports for the SRB Blast Shields finally are now complete.
And let's go on with the small series of Type 1 Supports, which are arranged around the two SRB holes and carry the thick 24'' SSWS line. Of which I need, after all, still 29 pieces, for what first had to be prepared a whole lot of small parts.
First, I have made the small sickles and this time I have acted differently. For that I have laid the sickle strip under a steel ruler, so that they overlap in each case 1.5 mm outwards, and then I have cut the sickle in each case 1.5 mm from the center behind the ruler edge that served as a stop for the cutter. And that worked really better and yielded 3 mm long sickles that have been straightened out a little here and there, if necessary.
Then I've cut the 3x3 mm base plates and marked the centers for the holes, and then even punched the missing disks for the feet.
Now missing only the cover plates from Evergreen channels, which I've also cut by measuring with the steel ruler with 3.5 mm length, whereupon a safe stop has proven to be very helpful.
And so now everything is ready for the mounting of the supports, which will be the grand finale.
Yeah, that was a hard test of patience and pure stress for my old eyes, because I needed the head magnifying glass,
and sneezing was strictly forbidden! 
BTW, the parts are really tiny, and a few times I had to dive back down to the floor to look for the breakaways.
Only good thing I got myself some extra sharp tweezers,
otherwise you get these things hardly to grasp.
Let's see how long that will take until all supports are finished, because those are a lot of hand grips, but there I have to struggle through, for better or worse ...
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#763 by roma847 on 20 Jun, 2015 15:35
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Hi there,
let's go to the next round of Support puzzles.
First had to be made the upper parts with the sickles. And that works best if you put the sickles between two steel rulers and aligns whereby its position is well secured. Then I glued the sickles with MEK.
Then the sickle plates were separated with the cutter.
Now it's the lower parts turn, as usual, that is, center drilling the cover plates (Evergreen channel) and gluing the 0.5 mm rods, threading and gluing the foot-pearls and the pre-drilled discs and base plates.
The hardest part is then gluing the upper parts with the sickles on the cover plates of the lower parts, because that has to be relatively quickly aligned. And if that fits then, the finished support coming shortly in the slide caliper "vice" until the adhesive is fixed.
And here are the first finished Type 1 supports next to the six of Type 2. Although these are only three of 30 supports, but after all, the beginning is done. 
Because I did not want to assemble a support to the other, but have prepared next all items, so bored all the plates and discs for the support rods centrically.
That was actually pure busywork, for which one needs angelic patience, which I still have, fortunately, but it was again considerable stress for the eyes,
which is why some breaks had to be made!!! 
Then I have glued all the support rods into the cover plates and threaded the foot-pearls,
and then placed and glued all foot discs.
Next it's the base plates turn, but for now I've had enough ...
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#764 by Ronpur50 on 20 Jun, 2015 18:57
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Wow, you are essentially doing in plastic, alone, what a team of construction workers did in steel when the actual pads were built......but at 144 times smaller!
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#765 by roma847 on 20 Jun, 2015 22:37
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Thanks Ron for your nice words,
I am also fascinated by this technique over and over again.
BTW, this scale is relatively unfavorable for the scratch building such small details, in 1:72 or greater would be much easier to make.
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#766 by Ronpur50 on 20 Jun, 2015 23:55
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Thanks Ron for your nice words,
I am also fascinated by this technique over and over again. 
BTW, this scale is relatively unfavorable for the scratch building such small details, in 1:72 or greater would be much easier to make.
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#767 by roma847 on 21 Jun, 2015 21:58
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Yep, a 1:72 Launch Pad would need a lot of space ...
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#768 by roma847 on 22 Jun, 2015 09:55
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Good morning everyone,
it is still going on with the supports, now I have to stick all base plates.
Although this all looks very simple, but these many handles of threading and gluing the panels are grueling. Good thing I bought these pointed tweezers.
Thus, the filigree supports can be handed from one tweezer into the other for gluing the upper and lower parts.
When removing the center rod one must also be very careful so that nothing can be bent or even broken.
And thus 11 supports now at least are finished already.
For the remaining 19 supports I must however first glue the sickles, what will become stressful again. 
But my magnifier is in any case already ready to hand.
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#769 by roma847 on 23 Jun, 2015 22:35
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Hello everybody,
so, and let's go to the final countdown, today I will compete the missing 19 supports, which must indeed come to an end.
My headset magnifier I have put on, and thus purely into the sickle turmoil, everything as usual according to the same procedure.
Thus, the first 12 sickle couples were done and now I need a new Evergreen Strip 0,25 x 1,5 mm.
And so the upper parts are finished (with a reserve part) and must be mounted only on the lower parts now.
For this, a steady hand and a stable basis now are in demand again, wherefore a cross tweezer is well suited.
Then just a droplet Revell Glue on the lower part, and with the pointed tweezer the upper part was placed and aligned immediately.
After that I glued around the upper part with MEK, better safe than sorry.
And now they are just waiting for the foot care,
and was then also soon done, as usual.
And so it is now done, and these 36 support from at least 282 parts are actually completed and I can make three crosses. 
But do not worry, there are still other supports too, so it's not.
These are, for example, these supports on the Blast Shields at the 18'' branches running down here into the SRB holes.
Source: nasatech.net
They look something different, otherwise it would be boring, and have again sickles to all abundance!
But now only the thick 24'' pipes will come next from which these tubes branch off, and that means bending, all you're worth ...
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#770 by mike robel on 24 Jun, 2015 01:46
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AWESOME!
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#771 by roma847 on 26 Jun, 2015 06:47
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Thanks Mike,
yep, this is truly crazy tiny stuff.
Hello folks,
before bending the 24'' pipes, I once made a first attempt to indicate the clamping rings.
And for that, I have first wound a few rings from Evergreen Strip 0,4x0,5 mm to a slightly thinner core (Ø 3 mm) and then blow-dried hot. The ring below the way, comes from a preliminary experiment with a profile 0,5x0,5 mm what me but already seems almost a bit too thick.
From the spiral I then separated me a few rings, one of which I have threaded to the thick pipe (Ø 4 mm) and then tentatively placed on three supports.
And so then it looks with three clamping rings.
From the optics, it certainly does not make a bad impression, I find. Maybe the screw connections might be indicated with a marker.
I almost think I should leave it at that, but I am still curious about your opinion.
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#772 by roma847 on 29 Jun, 2015 13:07
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Hello everybody,
even a quick update to the clamping rings, with whom I have experimented a bit further.
Since I still wanted to try with the lead wire (Ø 0.5 mm), I had bent a few rings with Ø 4 mm to at least once to have the comparison to the strips.
At the marked points on the periphery the screw connections would now sitting with about 0.7 mm in length. To indicate this, I thought now to be able to press the gaps a little flat, but unfortunately that did not work. 
Therefore here again for comparison three clamping rings, from left to right the lead wire 0,5 mm, a 0,25x0,5 mm strip and a 0,4x0,5 mm strip.
In my view, the 0,25x0,5 mm strip in the middle could almost be enough, right? Maybe one could still indicate the screw connections, what I'm going to try yet.
And then we'll see ...
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#773 by roma847 on 30 Jun, 2015 11:57
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Hi there,
today I have tried to indicate the screw connections of the clamping rings, and it was again a tricky thing with some surprises.
After I had made a winding off from the circumference of the 4 mm pipe with the intervals for the six screw connections, I have cut first 0.7 mm long pieces from an Evergreen Strip 0,25x0,5 mm. And as you can see, this is sometimes not as easy as it looks to produce these particles in a uniform length, but for the first experiments should that be enough.
The next little problem was then the bonding of these parts on the Strip. First, I have with the needle in his left hand touched the parts and have deposed and detained as accurately as possible on the mark. And then I have brushed them with the right hand with MEK, which they sit relatively quickly fixed. And also for this promotion you need a steady hand, so nothing slips. 
The gluing of the strip on the Pipe I have tried before, and it is advisable to first to glue only the starting point, which I have used CA, so that the strip is firmly seated.
But because the handling of the needle is such a windy thing, with the next ring I have tested yet another technique with a pointed tweezer, with which you can position the particles somewhat safer and more accurate and also hold better. And then also looked already more evenly.
And for the third ring I have used a 0.3 mm round profile for the screw connections, but the central positioning of the thin round snippets with the tweezer was something trickier and has not become sufficiently uniform.
When I wanted to glue to the first ring after adhesion with CA on the pipe with MEK, there was a surprise, because the ring is broken suddenly, what has surprised me already. This is probably because of the curved under tension ring instantly softens on contact with the MEK brush and immediately breaks because that's then happened again and again.
Therefore, I have glued the next ring with CA,
what has then also worked well and looks fairly decent.
And here you can see now the comparison of the clamping rings on the supports, left the already known type of 0,5 x 0,5 mm strip and the two right from 0,25 x 0,5 mm strips, without and with indicated screw connections.
This was the first attempt, and therefore I want to do no better or worse to, than it is. But that's quite an effort taking a realistic view.
The screw connections one could still carefully slightly round, if they hold, what would surely look even better.
Now I'm curious first of all on your opinion, no matter how it may turn out.
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#774 by Ronpur50 on 30 Jun, 2015 13:40
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I had to scroll back to see the clamps you are building. I think they are looking very close to the photos and when you build the whole pipe, it will be spectacular!
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#775 by roma847 on 30 Jun, 2015 21:46
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Hi Ron,
yep, maybe you are right.
But to be honest, I'm torn back and forth and not quite in peace with myself, which is now the most viable solution.
I have just recounted again that would namely be 28 supports with 168 of these cute clamping rings, and this affair I imagine really creepy, especially since it also brutally would be for the eyes and would take quite a while.
But what kind of crazy things I've not done already ...
Possibly I'm using at the end but still David Maier's paper templates and glue the therein indicated clamping rings on the 0,25x0,5 mm strips that do not even look so bad for my taste.
But I can leave everything first of all to rest, because now I can amuse with the bending of the 24'' lines, and previously the clamping rings are not needed.
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#776 by shuttlemodeler on 03 Jul, 2015 03:50
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Hey Manfred. Its looking good. Sorry I never got back to you. I forgot about you. But you have shamed me into getting back to work on the launch complex. You are making some great progress
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#777 by roma847 on 03 Jul, 2015 22:34
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Thanks Tom,
no problem, don't worry, be happy.
If you have not been watching for a long time, it may be great progress in your eyes, but for me it is only a small progress, step by step and I have to to struggle me through painfully.
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#778 by Davp99 on 03 Jul, 2015 23:36
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The Last photo of your clamps are Perfect, just right ...Nail It , as my old boss would say;-)
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#779 by roma847 on 04 Jul, 2015 17:13
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Thanks Dave,
yep, this or something similar I'll make or nail it, as your old boss would say.
