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#480 by RichO on 18 Apr, 2014 17:42
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The Electrical Egineering Dept has nailed it!! These thing do take up a lot of time but what results? A great looking build that everyone just marvels at. Great work!
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#481 by roma847 on 18 Apr, 2014 21:36
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Hi Rich,
I fully agree with you, the lighting is the icing on the cake.
You've convinced me to happiness, thank you my friend. 
I would never have dared to do this modeling madness and have tried it anyway: The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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#482 by roma847 on 24 Apr, 2014 21:23
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Hi there,
so after hopefully all Easter eggs were found of you, it will go on again.
Coming soon the prepared lampshades should be painted before the LEDs can be glued in. Unclear to me was previously only how to hold tiny creatures (3 mm). After some thought, I came up with the following solution that should work.
Since the lampshades are painted gray from the outside, they should stand upright, but also can not fly off when airbrush. Therefore, I have stung pins through a Balsa strip and placed ferrules on the tops, and then the shades were threaded, and ready is the Painting Support (PS).
Here 24 slots are first prepared and stocked, the PS may also be extended.
To avoid that light comes out upwards, I have the screens painted up black. If then the gray paint comes over it, which then should actually suffice, if not, still a splash of color comes on top after threading the LEDs.
Consequently, then the first series can go for painting.
Then I again experimented with the special lamps (11,12,17) and further tested two variants. In addition I wanted the Sunny White (0603) longitudinally thread in the larger glass tube, which just fits so.
And two of these couples I have now threaded each in an unexpanded screen (right) and into an expanded screen (center). On the left is then compared with a standard lamp (3 mm) with cross inlaid LED, as used for all other lamps on the pad.
Here with > 6 mA, which is very brightly, as expected,
here with 3 mA, somewhat more subdued,
and here with 0,5 mA, with relatively moderate light.
In the right variant you have the unimpeded light exit of the LED, which is literally blinding and not recommended.The middle variant seems to me quite reasonable and would differ so from the other lamps.
So far again for today.
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#483 by shuttlemodeler on 24 Apr, 2014 21:25
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Englisch sprechen manfred
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#484 by roma847 on 24 Apr, 2014 21:32
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Hi Tom,
a little German would not be bad, but I can help you.
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#485 by RichO on 26 Apr, 2014 13:14
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MANFRED,
Watching your "bead work" here is really growing on me. I like the idea of being able to see the glass "domes" around the lamps. Nice. I think the middle light at 0,5 mA is correct also, a nice feel to it. Great work dude! -
#486 by roma847 on 27 Apr, 2014 22:26
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Thanks Rich for your nice comment, here comes the continuation.
I can not shake the stage fright,
and therefore I again thought about the red flashing warning lights,
Source: NASA
for which I had procured the Red LEDs (0401).
For these lampshades I want to use the unexpanded ferrules. For the glass body I had initially thought of a transparent bead. But since the hazard warning lights under the outer glass body have a red insert, a reddish bead would be better suited what I wanted to try and compare, let's go the whole hog.
Here you can see both versions at full brightness (> 6 mA), which makes color virtually no difference. Only the brightness with the transparent bead appears to be somewhat stronger, but this is insignificant.
And here are the test results at the moderate brightness (0.5 mA), where the effect appears in the image paler than in reality.
Here I have trial basis attached both beads in shades with a tiny superglue droplet, so that the warning light as such is already purely externally visible, which I like better.
Now I have threaded the LEDs in both lamps,
and tested the optical effect as described above:
> 6 mA:
0,5 mA:
How was almost expect to see the effects are similar. Therefore, I will probably decide to red glass beads.
So the stressful testing with different lamp types and brightness settings should have an end but now.
In the next days I will now make an inventory of the lamps on the RSS so that the design for the final current bank can be rendered more precisely. The lighting of the FSS was relatively clear and will probably mean 8 lamps per floor, what ever gives approx. 100 lamps.
Added to this are the lamps on the Access Arms that I need to check again.
Source: retrospaceimages.com (STS-6)
While the tower is relatively clear, the RSS still gives me quite a headache, but that will be somehow estimated in a first approximation. Here, I will first try get along with images of the STS-6. After my previous knowledge not only the former lamp shapes appeared significantly different than in the later missions, the number of lamps at the time was significantly greater than at the end of the program.
That's it for today, see you soon.
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#487 by RichO on 30 Apr, 2014 21:23
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WELCOME to the wonderful world of lighting!!
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#488 by roma847 on 03 May, 2014 12:19
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Hi Rich,
thanks for your invitation, in the meantime I do not want to miss the lamplight, it just belongs to a Real Pad such as the salt to a good soup, isn't it?
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#489 by RichO on 03 May, 2014 13:35
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MANFRED, You got that right!!
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#490 by roma847 on 07 May, 2014 11:26
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Okay Rich, let's go on with the lamplight.
Hello folks,
therefore the time has come, as already announced, I've begun in the last few days with getting things straight concerning the RSS lamps and started a gradual inventory. However, this turns out to be quite stressful and one hand is almost like looking for needles in a haystack. And on the other hand, the image analysis provides such a lot of lamps, so I slowly but surely get an uncanny feeling, when I think of the laying of the LEDs ...
First, I have long brooded over how I could best do, where I realized more and more, that this can not be done in a breath, but that it only gradually progressing and lots of patience needed.
For such an analysis one needs high-resolution photos and if possible from all sides and from different perspectives. Of these, although I have collected gradually a lot, but the detail photos are only half the battle.
For now begin the grueling hard work of screening and comparing the more or less easily recognizable lamps, in which one can become dizzy.
More difficult is the fact that there are not particularly many usable shots of the STS-6. Therefore, I am also avoided to the other missions from before the STS-6 and have been looking back up to STS-1, of which there are some good shots.
And by and by then sharpens the view and you can see the arrangement of the lamps then better. In order to start with a count, I've then initially colored circled the lamps but deliberately not numbered, because the numbers are still can change, the more one's eyes bend and lamps recognizes that previously were not clearly visible. And when evaluating different pictures and views have to be extremely careful that one does not count lamps twice. Anyway, this is not just a balm for the eyes.
I don't want to put you on the rack but longer, and just show you the first overview shots, then the tricky undertaking is certainly clearer.
This is the front of the RSS, and alone on this view I have found about 50 lamps, the transition from FSS to RSS are not even considered.
Source: retrospaceimages.com (STS-6)
Well, start has been made, even though it was only a small taste first, the next steps will follow soon.
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#491 by shuttlemodeler on 07 May, 2014 16:52
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Dont forget the back. there are a lot of lights there too.
This is going to be hell for you at 1:160. I don't even want to this what its gonna be like at 1:72 -
#492 by roma847 on 07 May, 2014 17:32
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Hi Tom,
you are right, the back side should not be missed, I'll show you tomorrow.
There are "only" about 20 lights, and there are still other places, especially between FSS and RSS, that I have yet to evaluate.
I fully agree with you, I'll have to go through hell, but I'm so crazy and want to try it anyway. 
That's all for today, stay tuned guys.
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#493 by roma847 on 08 May, 2014 16:12
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Hello again together,
these are the lamp locations on the back of the RSS at STS-6.
BTW, as you can see here, there was at first initially only the small PCR Anteroom, as it were, the vestibule to enter the highly sensitive Payload changeout room (PCR), which was later extended to the right thick pipe. But I must orient myself to the former images.
Source: retrospaceimages.com (STS-6)
And these are also at least 20 or 21 lamps when the green circled lamp top right is counted together, but it's a part of my separate counting of the stairwell on the side that I've counted separately for clarity, what you can see on this picture.
Source: NASA
Incidentally, this is a photo montage of two sub-images, which I have greatly enlarged me for marking and counting of the lamps (1x click), otherwise you would have been alone with the holding apart too much difficulty.
All lamps are hard to see in this overview without magnification, so I'm counting of course also of images with different perspectives, where you can see the details better. But you get in the detection of these tiny details already on visual limits to what you must consider.
Here is such a picture from one of the last missions, where you can specifically recognize the lamps in the external stairwell clearly, especially at high resolution (2x click).
Source: NASA
So, the "red" lamps are already included in the count of the front, now the 12 "green" and the 6 "yellow" lamps in the two stairwells can be added. As a result from these three views now have 91 lamps (53+20+12+6) on the RSS, but without the lamps on the transitions of the FSS to RSS, which have not yet been counted.
To this end, here are a looking ahead to another nice picture of the STS-1, on which one can recognize these lamps well at high resolution.
Source: NASA
And in this way I live more laborious as the squirrel and layaway from lamp to lamp ...
In this sense, the count continues - The lighting show must go on!
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#494 by roma847 on 11 May, 2014 20:56
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Hi there,
in the meantime I looked more closely at the Access Arms at the Tower in order to count the local lamps. In addition I have here a suitable visual attunement from the preparatory phase to the STS-6.
Source: retrospaceimages.com (STS-6)
These are the Orbiter Access Arm (OAA) with the White Room,
the Oxygen Vent Arm (OVA) with the Beanie Cap,
and the Gaseous Hydrogen Vent Arm (HVA), also called Intertank Access Arm (IAA).
For image analysis, I have partly fall back on old pictures from the early years of the shuttle program, which comes in part from the work-up phase of the Pad 39B. These are scans from the photo album of a friend who worked there and has experienced a lot.
And so directly to the OAA, which can be seen on this old picture before mounting on the pad 39B. Okay, the quality is not great, but these images are a significant historical fundus, which I do not want to miss, as these images are really real-time documents from the early years to the Shuttle STS-6 around. And much more important than image quality is, that one can exactly recognize the 9 lamps anyway.
Source: NasaSpaceflight.com (J. MacLaren)
Here is a photo of the STS-6, on which the former lamps are beautiful to see.
Source: retrospaceimages.com (STS-6)
As I said, the lamps saw later completely different, just more modern, and were not mounted in gait center but on the side (left). BTW, there were at that time much more lights than in later years.
And so now to the OVA, in this picture still without Beanie Cap, I have viewed from several perspectives before the count of the lamps.
Source: NasaSpaceflight.com (J. MacLaren)
This arm has six standard lamps (1-6) and two smaller spotlights (7/8), so a total of 8 lamps.
Source: NasaSpaceflight.com (J. MacLaren)
Missing only the HVA, that is a real steel frame monster solely due to its size, which you can see in this picture, but from a later mission.
The frame structure consists essentially of three parts:
The huge multistory Front building is firmly connected with the Tower, but had only the top three floors during STS-6, the lower small 4th floor was retrofitted later.
Source: NASA
The actual Swing arm allows mating of the External tank (ET) umbilicals as well as contingency access to the ET intertank compartment, which rotated 210° to its extended position at the ET and was connected with this. The Elephant’s Trunk called umbilical vent line provides continuous venting of the external tank during and after loading of the volatile liquid hydrogen. The vent line is disconnected from the ET at first motion of the stack and retracts vertically downward to a stored position.
And for the lamps count it now goes back to STS-6. And the following image at first one can see these 13 lamps which are directly mounted on the outside of the Front building.
Source: retrospaceimages.com (STS-6)
But that's not all, because in this picture of the STS-1 with connected Swing arm and Trunk (white) one can immediately recognize in front of the ET a lamp pole with 4 lamps, I hope so.
Source: NASA
This results ultimately a total number of 34 lamps for the three Access arms, but this number is not exhaustive.
And so I want it to stop there for now and wish you a nice Sunday.
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#495 by RichO on 14 May, 2014 19:00
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MANFRED,
You have managed to secure some really nice photos of your reference. I have never seen some of these pictures. I have found that at some point you have to cut yourself off with how much deatil to add to the project or you could build forever. Your lighting chapter is an ongoing affair and it seems that you will always find new photos with something you did not see before. And you know that sometimes the lighting and the plastic model build have to proceede with construction at the same time. The lighting with the Crawler was like that. Install lights, build a bulkhead,...ect. The amount of photos and resurch is inspiring to us all. Keep up the great work my man!! -
#496 by roma847 on 15 May, 2014 13:41
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Hello Rich,
I am glad that you like the photos.
I fully agree with you, but this is only one view, and I will not deny you too. Finally everyone has to decide how far he wants to go into detail. In this sense maybe I have now reached a limit of what is possible at this scale, and thus it is enough.
Unfortunately I do not have such beautiful 3D plans as construction guidance and templates as you have from Mischa, after which you can blithely build straight on. So I have to look for and collect all my details from close-up images, and this just takes a lot of time.
And so my experience is to stay with one thing if possible, to concentrate on it and go through with it. Therefore I need in this intense work phases no variety, but only great patience and perseverance.
BTW, for me, the building is only one thing, that other equally interesting is to learn about the shuttle technology, and both gives me great pleasure and drives me to continue, even if it is sometimes difficult to deal with losing streaks. And that's why it does not bother me, if it's just slowly going forward step by step. So I'm repeating myself gladly, in the peace lies the power ...
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#497 by roma847 on 15 May, 2014 17:02
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Hallo all together,
in order to finally complete the preliminary planning of lighting, I've now specifically looked at the transitions between the FSS and RSS from different perspectives, thus the previous number of lamps has increased slightly.
And I had just to be careful that already detected lamps not to be counted again, which was not quite easy.
Here are just a few pictures of it, in which the far not detected lamps are circled green.
Source: NASA
Source: flickr.com (S. Patlan)
Source: flickr.com (S. Patlan)
Source: flickr.com (S. Patlan)
Hopefully you are not blurred anything in mind because of the many colorful rings, but comforting you, so it will now really be enough.
And now, a look at Hammerhead Crane, because there are in addition to the 4 already shown spotlights at the foot of the [color="#0000FF"]Lightning Mast[/color] yet these 4 lamps here.
Source: NASA
And because I also want to build a diorama finally, I will soon schedule the 4 Floodlight masts around the pad.
For a long time I had only ever seen newer photos in which the masts had each 9 spotlights.
Source: NASA
But at pictures of the STS-1 you can see that the masts then only had 6 spotlights,
Source: NASA
and that was also the same two years later at the STS-6. The modernization of the masts is then done sometime later, however, I do not know. 
Source: NASA
This now results in the following preliminary number for the lamps on the pad:
- FSS, inkl. Hammerhead Crane: 104
- Access Arms (OAA, OVA, HVA): 34
- RSS: 112
- MLP, incl. warning lights: 26
- Floodlight masts: 24
That adds up to 300 lamps, if I have not charged me, and there's the Crawler not yet counted. For this I would estimate about 30 lamps, which then ultimately would result round 330 lamps and let the cat out of the bag.
As I said, that is first times everything just theory, but that there is now a house number for the interpretation of the new current bank, which is intended to cover all if possible!
How many lights I can install it really on the pad, will then show up when I started wiring. Maybe I have to reduce the number a bit, but that is for the time being in the stars ...
So, that's it for today, I hear you laugh or groan already ...
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#498 by RichO on 17 May, 2014 14:44
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MANFRED,
It seems that the more you look the more you find. I kinda feel sorry for unleashing this affliction upon you. The addiction grows, my light master. Hang in there! I stay tuned untill next time.
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#499 by roma847 on 18 May, 2014 07:17
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Hi Rich,
my lighting analysis is now complete and more lamps are not visible on my photos, although there are certainly some more lamps.
And so the goal is now known, however, whether this dream can be achieved remains to be seen. And if it will end up being less lamps, it's not the end of the world!
Therefore, don't worry, it will in any case be exciting ...
