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#340 by RichO on 26 Nov, 2013 16:53
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MANFRED,
The level of detail is just gorgious, and has great shadow lines on this museum quality build. Thanks for the insperation to us al. -
#341 by roma847 on 28 Nov, 2013 18:32
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Thanks Rich for your nice compliments. I am glad if I can inspire you from time to time.
And so back to the TSM ladders still missing.
Since I had decided to go with thin PE ladders of ABER, instead of the originally planned plastic ladders of Plastruct, which, however, look a little rustic.
The problem with the ladders were the lateral support struts which are 1-3 mm long.
Source: NASA
The ladders on the sides of the boxes have different long struts. They stand with one side on the box and the other on the TSM body.
Here's even a ladder placed on the box side.
Now the supports must only be fixed somehow.
For this purpose I have now considered the following. In addition to the PE ladders I also had ordered PE railings (actually ship's rail) that I could possibly use as a supporting substructure.
As you can see in this picture, the ladder fit almost exactly on the center row of a railing strip.
If I would glue the ladders, I had the right and the left railing feet that could bent act as supports. Because the distances between the supports probably may be a little too big, I have to remeasure again using photos.
That's at least even my idea, let's see if this can be done somehow.
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#342 by RichO on 10 Dec, 2013 13:20
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MANFRED,
Good idea with the PE ladders. We haven't heard from you here in a while. Hope all is well with you and your build. -
#343 by roma847 on 10 Dec, 2013 16:04
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Thanks Rich,
yep, you're right, now it is again almost two weeks since my last step with the ladders. But I had to do some other things that have come between them and took priority. Therefore I had not the necessary rest to engage myself with the gluing of these delicate PE structures in 0.1 mm range. 
BTW, also I've made an escapade for lighting with tiny LEDs, but so far only theoretically, because that is absolutely virgin soil for me, unlike you, LED Junkie ... 
Since I have a lot to learn from you ... 
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#344 by Davp99 on 12 Dec, 2013 15:08
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LEDs would be like Icing on a Cake.. Glad you are Looking into the Possibility
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#345 by Ronpur50 on 12 Dec, 2013 16:44
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A lit tower would be amazing! I remember years ago when mine was still intact, I stuck white Christmas tree lights in it from behind and it looked great in the dark....from one side only! lol
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#346 by roma847 on 12 Dec, 2013 22:59
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Yep guys, I can fully agree with you and totally understand your enthusiasm,
if only once look at this hot photo. 
Source: NASA
However, the lamps on each floor sit at the corners of the elevator shaft, as you can see in this picture.
Source: NASA
And in this video one can see such nice tiny LEDs, which these days are apparently no more a rocket science.
The thing is certainly very attractive, and in my fingers it starts to tingle ...
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#347 by RichO on 13 Dec, 2013 19:31
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Mr. Ubermodeler!
I see that you have finaly seen the light!! Now you know why I would like to install several hundred into my LUT/MLP build. The crawler has 100 lights, and the LUT could have 400 and still not be enough for real life.
BTW, Ron is correct. The adding of lights would make it feel like a Christmas tree, all year long. Imagine if you had built this in 1/72 scale!!
So on with the show, no longer a light virgin, there is no excuse. Go into the light! -
#348 by roma847 on 13 Dec, 2013 22:30
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Thanks Mr. LED Wizard,
you've lit my fire, but still remain many questions ...
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#349 by roma847 on 15 Dec, 2013 23:15
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Hello Folks,
and so back to the TSM details, so up on the ladders!
First, however, a small addition of the electricians at LOX TSM, who have finally clamped the sockets. First, I glued the cables of 0.25 mm lead wire into small holes,
then, the small loops were modeled and connected to the sockets,
and finally painted.
And so again to the missing ladders initially which on the outer sides of the TSMs having equal length legs, and thus should be more easily to scratch-build than the other of the sides of the boxes.
Source: NASA
Here are the two ladders in its original form, that is only cut out from the PE board.
Now the two side bars must be bent upwards in each case from the right side at 90°. To do this go best a steel ruler on the side bar and then turns carefully the rest of the ladder. And then the same procedure once again on the other side, after which the ladder then looks so. 
Only through the bend up the bars gets the ladder then also a certain stability, previously, these delicate structures are namely quite labile.
Next, I've cut out a part from the PE railings, which is to provide the feet and at the same time serve as a support for the ladder.
Now on this carrier I want to glue the ladder and then bend the feet, I just do not know if that also will work out as I imagine it.
But for this procedure I need daylight, and therefore it should continue tomorrow.
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#350 by shuttlemodeler on 16 Dec, 2013 03:42
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looing good Manfred. I dont know how you do it at that scale. it sure looks great.
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#351 by roma847 on 16 Dec, 2013 20:33
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Thanks Tom for your nice compliments.
Sometimes one might even despair, and always then I envy you around your comfortable 1:72 scratch build.
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#352 by roma847 on 20 Dec, 2013 22:59
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Hello guys,
a little bit on the side for a change is allowed, and thus again back to the lighting of the launch pad that somehow fascinated me. And that is why I have started in the last few days to occupy myself for something. But this is not a simple chapter and uncharted territory for me.
First, I could try the MLP subsequently to light with some tiny LEDs. Side 1 is still relatively clear but all the lamps were not lit always at the same time, as you can see in these two pictures.
Source: NASA
Source: NASA
MLP-2 at the STS 6 had approx. 18 lamps on Side 1, I have counted in this picture.
Source: retrospaceimages.com
Source: retrospaceimages.com
But the situation of lighting of the early launch tower (FSS & RSS) is a little more difficult, because the lighting during STS-6 looked different than in this later picture, after the elevator shaft was covered.
At this early STS-1 image of the FSS tower with the red lift-gratings that I will build means of the LVM detail kits, you can see no lights at these positions .
Probably the lamps hung at the level ceiling, as one might suspect at this picture of the STS-1, but what I need to investigate more closely.
That's why I ordered this tiny SMD LEDs (1,0 mm x 0,3 mm x 0,5 mm, cable 0,1 mm) from ebay for lighting of the pad,
and today I got this hot stuff.
Then I found some small things I can use for the lampshades, which have diameters of approx. 3 mm, that fit my sale 1:160.
These are crushing calottes from the jewelry accessories,
and these are cable clips (white 3,2 mm, red 2,3 mm), of which I can use the conical part for the lampshades.
Now I just have to make something of it and to light the lamps ... 
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#353 by shuttlemodeler on 20 Dec, 2013 23:07
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thoase look good....who was the ebaY VENDOR?
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#354 by RichO on 21 Dec, 2013 00:31
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WAY TO GO MANFRED,
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#355 by Ronpur50 on 21 Dec, 2013 03:06
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This is gonna be good!!!
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#356 by shuttlemodeler on 21 Dec, 2013 03:52
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i think we have a competition here
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#357 by RichO on 21 Dec, 2013 03:57
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Maybe I have created a monster!!
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#358 by shuttlemodeler on 21 Dec, 2013 04:30
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keeps us on our toes
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#359 by shuttlemodeler on 21 Dec, 2013 04:56
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one of the lights i was working on. scale is still a problem....we are getting really small even at 1/72. made the light cover from some clear styrene i heated and pushed a drill bit thru. i lighted this one with a fiber cable. it is really to dim. i need to get some small LED's. i have some surface mount ones somewhere can never find things when you want them
