Author Topic: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS-2 SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION  (Read 379832 times)

Offline manboy

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2086
  • Texas, USA, Earth
  • Liked: 134
  • Likes Given: 544
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #720 on: 03/17/2013 11:31 am »
SpaceX does not need NASA's permission to launch their own astronauts. They only need FAA approval. SpaceX is a private company. NASA only controls launches within their contract. NASA has a say with their own astronauts and ISS activities.

I think you'll find as NASA owns the ISS they have quite a lot of say on who and what docks to the ISS.

A manned flight does not need to go to the ISS to demonstrate Dragons capabilities.
What about docking and the ability to remain 210 days in LEO?

I fully understand. I also understand that if SpaceX launches Astronauts in 2015, 2 years before the NASA contract kicks in they will have that flight experience as well. The lead is way more than people realize.

Whoa! 2015 is a very tight schedule for this sort of thing (that's 21-33 months depending on when you mark the end point) and it will need NASA approval even if Spacex pretty much bankroll a flight with their own crew, and let's not forget the contract to developed certification documentation for the process of selecting a winner for the crew transportation tender has not been written yet.

OTOH...

A successful docking by a Spacex crew to the ISS would be put them in  a strong position and (maybe) encourage NASA management to rethink their schedule regarding the CTS RFP.

An exciting possibility, (and a potential big cost savings for the US Govt) but a long way from here.
The missions are optional milestones in their CCiCap agreement, meaning that NASA may choose not to fund them. The dates listed were mid-2015 for the first crewed flight (three day long mission, crew of three) and the second is crewed ISS flight scheduled for December 2015.

But they probably won't launch crew before 2016.

EDIT: This conversation is off topic and should be moved to here.
« Last Edit: 03/17/2013 11:46 am by manboy »
"Cheese has been sent into space before. But the same cheese has never been sent into space twice." - StephenB

Offline mlindner

  • Software Engineer
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2928
  • Space Capitalist
  • Silicon Valley, CA
  • Liked: 2240
  • Likes Given: 827
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #721 on: 03/17/2013 05:29 pm »
SpaceX does not need NASA's permission to launch their own astronauts. They only need FAA approval. SpaceX is a private company. NASA only controls launches within their contract. NASA has a say with their own astronauts and ISS activities.

I think you'll find as NASA owns the ISS they have quite a lot of say on who and what docks to the ISS.

You should re-read what you quoted. You and mr. mark agree.
LEO is the ocean, not an island (let alone a continent). We create cruise liners to ride the oceans, not artificial islands in the middle of them. We need a physical place, which has physical resources, to make our future out there.

Offline Joffan

So - is unberthing/release/return still scheduled for next Monday, 25th March? Will there be some late load activities at the weekend?
Getting through max-Q for humanity becoming fully spacefaring

Offline manboy

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2086
  • Texas, USA, Earth
  • Liked: 134
  • Likes Given: 544
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #723 on: 03/21/2013 09:34 pm »
from ISS Status 2013/03/21
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/expedition35/e35_032113.html

Quote from: NASA
Ground controllers will send commands to the Canadarm2 to unberth the SpaceX Dragon commercial cargo craft at 6 a.m. for a release at 7:49 a.m.

So how autonomous is the unberthing process? Does ground control only send up a single command or are there hold points?
"Cheese has been sent into space before. But the same cheese has never been sent into space twice." - StephenB

Offline Joffan

from ISS Status 2013/03/21
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/expedition35/e35_032113.html

Quote from: NASA
Ground controllers will send commands to the Canadarm2 to unberth the SpaceX Dragon commercial cargo craft at 6 a.m. for a release at 7:49 a.m.

So how autonomous is the unberthing process? Does ground control only send up a single command or are there hold points?

It's definitely a sequence of actions, not just a single command. They aren't trying to position the Dragon precisely relative to other hardware as they were for the berthing process, so the number of assessments should be fewer.

Clearly, prior to that the ISS astronauts will have to have undertaken all the hatch closure activities on the Dragon and on the ISS. I don't know - perhaps we'll find out on Monday - whether the unlatch command is remotely issued.
Getting through max-Q for humanity becoming fully spacefaring

Offline manboy

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2086
  • Texas, USA, Earth
  • Liked: 134
  • Likes Given: 544
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #725 on: 03/22/2013 02:27 pm »
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html


Ground controllers will send commands to the Canadarm2 to unberth Dragon at 6 a.m. EDT Monday for a release at 7:49 a.m.
This is interesting as it conflicts with things said elsewhere on the forum about the ground being unable to un-berth Dragon.

The operation of the CBM can not be done from the ground
Why is that? Is it for safety so ground control can't accidentally disengage the latches while Harmony's nadir hatch is still open?
« Last Edit: 03/22/2013 02:27 pm by manboy »
"Cheese has been sent into space before. But the same cheese has never been sent into space twice." - StephenB

Offline Comga

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6503
  • Liked: 4623
  • Likes Given: 5354
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #726 on: 03/22/2013 04:32 pm »
L2 updated ;-)

And to add a line from there, which will help here:

It's not a hardware issue, it's high seas in the splashdown zone.

Ocean landings....
Ah, for that day when SpaceX incorporates landing on solid ground (and some of the robust resistance to weather of the Soyuz) !
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

Offline kevin-rf

  • Elite Veteran
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8823
  • Overlooking the path Mary's little Lamb took..
  • Liked: 1318
  • Likes Given: 306
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #727 on: 03/22/2013 04:40 pm »
It's not a hardware issue, it's high seas in the splashdown zone.

You mean SpaceX hasn't mastered controlling the weather yet? Amateurs ;)
If you're happy and you know it,
It's your med's!

Offline hop

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3352
  • Liked: 553
  • Likes Given: 891
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #728 on: 03/23/2013 04:09 am »
Ocean landings....
Ah, for that day when SpaceX incorporates landing on solid ground (and some of the robust resistance to weather of the Soyuz) !
TMA-06M waived off a day for landing site weather too. Coincidence... or conspiracy?!? :P

Offline Comga

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6503
  • Liked: 4623
  • Likes Given: 5354
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #729 on: 03/23/2013 06:28 pm »
Ocean landings....
Ah, for that day when SpaceX incorporates landing on solid ground (and some of the robust resistance to weather of the Soyuz) !
TMA-06M waived off a day for landing site weather too. Coincidence... or conspiracy?!? :P

1  I did say "robust resistance" not invulnerability. ;)

2 That's Kazakhstan.Awfully nasty weather in winter.  We have White Sands, etc.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

Offline kevin-rf

  • Elite Veteran
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8823
  • Overlooking the path Mary's little Lamb took..
  • Liked: 1318
  • Likes Given: 306
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #730 on: 03/24/2013 01:13 am »
Ocean landings....
Ah, for that day when SpaceX incorporates landing on solid ground (and some of the robust resistance to weather of the Soyuz) !
TMA-06M waived off a day for landing site weather too. Coincidence... or conspiracy?!? :P
Well, if you read certain russian meteor threads, the stats must indicate they are coming from the same object and are somehow related ;)
If you're happy and you know it,
It's your med's!

Offline Chris Bergin

Support NSF via L2 -- Help improve NSF -- Site Rules/Feedback/Updates
**Not a L2 member? Whitelist this forum in your adblocker to support the site and ensure full functionality.**

Offline ChrisC

  • Veteran
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2301
  • Liked: 1688
  • Likes Given: 1921
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #732 on: 03/25/2013 11:13 pm »
From the NASA TV breaking news schedule:

Quote
4 a.m. - SpaceX/Dragon Unberthing from the ISS and Release Coverage (Release scheduled at 7:06 a.m. EDT; coverage concludes at approximately 7:30 a.m. EDT)

From SpaceX twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/316273075282923520
Quote
SpaceX #Dragon departing #ISS at 4AM PT tomorrow, splashdown in the Pacific approx. 9:34AM PT. LIVE updates at spacex.com/webcast

Does anyone know if SpaceX will be giving us any video coverage during entry?  Or just little text updates?
« Last Edit: 03/25/2013 11:13 pm by ChrisC »
PSA #1:  Suppress forum auto-embed of Youtube videos by deleting leading 'www.' (four characters) in YT URL; useful when linking text to YT, or just to avoid bloat.
PSA #2:  Users who particularly annoy you can be suppressed in forum view via Modify Profile -> Buddies / Ignore List.  *** See profile for two more NSF forum tips. ***

Offline Lars_J

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6160
  • California
  • Liked: 677
  • Likes Given: 195
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #733 on: 03/25/2013 11:57 pm »
Does anyone know if SpaceX will be giving us any video coverage during entry?  Or just little text updates?

Based on previous missions, it is unlikely. (The Orion asset which filmed the C2+ descent was NASA's - so it is up to them)

But the SpaceX webcast/updates page, http://www.spacex.com/webcast/ - they promise live updates, so we'll just have to wait and see. I would not expect anything more than tweeted pictures at most, though.
« Last Edit: 03/25/2013 11:58 pm by Lars_J »

Offline oiorionsbelt

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1767
  • Liked: 1190
  • Likes Given: 2692
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #734 on: 03/26/2013 02:48 am »
Yeah splash down coverage has been the least of any aspect of SpaceX  space flight.

Offline Lars_J

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6160
  • California
  • Liked: 677
  • Likes Given: 195
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #735 on: 03/26/2013 04:54 am »
Who knows, perhaps there will be a SpaceX 'asset' in the air after all - here is a tweet today:

https://twitter.com/alias_amanda/status/316409845622382592
Quote
Amanda Stiles
‏@alias_amanda
And then a last minute change of plans for tmrw: I get to ride out on Elon’s jet to look for Dragon! Gotta love working at @spacex.

The chances of live video are probably very slim, but it might result in some pictures after the fact.

« Last Edit: 03/26/2013 04:55 am by Lars_J »

Offline Space Pete

Who knows, perhaps there will be a SpaceX 'asset' in the air after all - here is a tweet today:

Way cool!

Wikipedia says that Musk's jet is a 1994 Dassault Falcon 900, tail number N900SX.
Flight Aware shows it as registered to Musk, but says it is "not available for public tracking per request from the owner/operator".
http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N900SX

NASA's P3 Orion is currently on a mission over the Arctic, so it won't be available for Dragon imagery.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA426
NASASpaceflight ISS Writer

Offline mlindner

  • Software Engineer
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2928
  • Space Capitalist
  • Silicon Valley, CA
  • Liked: 2240
  • Likes Given: 827
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #737 on: 03/26/2013 07:55 am »
Who knows, perhaps there will be a SpaceX 'asset' in the air after all - here is a tweet today:

Way cool!

Wikipedia says that Musk's jet is a 1994 Dassault Falcon 900, tail number N900SX.
Flight Aware shows it as registered to Musk, but says it is "not available for public tracking per request from the owner/operator".
http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N900SX

NASA's P3 Orion is currently on a mission over the Arctic, so it won't be available for Dragon imagery.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA426

Cute that its a "Falcon" with tail number ending in "SX" for SpaceX. Does anyone know if N900 is anything beyond 900 for the model? Apparently there is no NCC-900.
LEO is the ocean, not an island (let alone a continent). We create cruise liners to ride the oceans, not artificial islands in the middle of them. We need a physical place, which has physical resources, to make our future out there.

Offline mlindner

  • Software Engineer
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2928
  • Space Capitalist
  • Silicon Valley, CA
  • Liked: 2240
  • Likes Given: 827
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #738 on: 03/26/2013 08:18 am »
Interesting tidbits of the crew thats out at the splash down site.

100ft boat with an A frame for lifting Dragon out of the water.
90ft crew boat with tracking.
and two 94ft for carrying people and recovery team.
Over a dozen engineers and technicians as well as a full dive team.

Can we identify which boats these are? I know we know of the A frame boat, but what about the rest?
LEO is the ocean, not an island (let alone a continent). We create cruise liners to ride the oceans, not artificial islands in the middle of them. We need a physical place, which has physical resources, to make our future out there.

Offline douglas100

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2177
  • Liked: 227
  • Likes Given: 105
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #739 on: 03/26/2013 08:39 am »
Inflatables were mentioned.
Douglas Clark

Tags:
 

Advertisement NovaTech
Advertisement Northrop Grumman
Advertisement
Advertisement Margaritaville Beach Resort South Padre Island
Advertisement Brady Kenniston
Advertisement NextSpaceflight
Advertisement Nathan Barker Photography
0