Author Topic: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS-2 SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION  (Read 379864 times)

Offline Norm38

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1721
  • Liked: 1285
  • Likes Given: 2349
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #160 on: 01/02/2013 04:05 pm »
A general question. Now that all the flight hardware is at the cape, how much time is needed to assemble the hardware and be ready to go vertical?  How fast can they launch if they wanted to?

Offline oldAtlas_Eguy

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5308
  • Florida
  • Liked: 5010
  • Likes Given: 1511
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #161 on: 01/02/2013 05:56 pm »
A general question. Now that all the flight hardware is at the cape, how much time is needed to assemble the hardware and be ready to go vertical?  How fast can they launch if they wanted to?

CRS-1 Dragon arrived at SLC-40 on 14 August and was launched on 7 October, a period of about 7 weeks.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=29792.0

CRS-2 is already at SLC-40 so a mid to early March launch date is easilly attainable based on historical past performance data.

Offline aero

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3629
  • 92129
  • Liked: 1146
  • Likes Given: 360
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #162 on: 01/02/2013 06:33 pm »
Since the rocket is already at the cape, what are the odds of a modification resulting from the conclusion of the study of the recent engine failure?
Retired, working interesting problems

Offline Lars_J

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6160
  • California
  • Liked: 677
  • Likes Given: 195
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #163 on: 01/02/2013 06:48 pm »
Since the rocket is already at the cape, what are the odds of a modification resulting from the conclusion of the study of the recent engine failure?

Rather good, I would say. Remember, these are the people that trimmed the upper stage nozzle while vertical at the pad on Dragon C1.

Offline PCSTEL

  • Member
  • Posts: 45
  • Liked: 0
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #164 on: 01/03/2013 01:08 am »
Question on docking availability at ISS.  I believe I read that there are 4 Soyuz/Progress/Dragon docking ports and a single Soyuz always docked for emergencies.  So that leaves 3 open.  Just looking at Space X CRS 2 and the Soyuz/Progress planed launches. 

We have the following planned Progress/SpaceX launches for 2013

February 11 – Progress M-18M
March 1 - Dragon-CRS2
March 28 – Soyuz TMA-08M
April 24 – Progress M-19M
May 28 – Soyuz TMA-09M
July 24 – Progress M-20M
September 25 – Soyuz TMA-10M
September 30 - Dragon CRS3
October 16 – Progress M-21M
November 25 – Soyuz TMA-11M


So my question is.. IF SpaceX can't make the March 1st launch (for some reason). Which is sandwiched 3 weeks in between two Soyuz/Progress launches.  At what point does a delayed SapceX launch begin to interfere with processing capability of cargo at the ISS with Russian launches and what kind of delays would this present to CRS2? 
TIA. 
« Last Edit: 01/03/2013 01:09 am by PCSTEL »

Offline hop

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3352
  • Liked: 553
  • Likes Given: 891
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #165 on: 01/03/2013 03:24 am »
Question on docking availability at ISS.  I believe I read that there are 4 Soyuz/Progress/Dragon docking ports
This is not correct, Dragon does not use Russian segment docking ports, it is berthed to the US segment by the robot arm, like HTV. Soyuz, Progress and ATV dock on the Russian segment.

Offline baldusi

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8371
  • Buenos Aires, Argentina
  • Liked: 2555
  • Likes Given: 8364
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #166 on: 01/03/2013 05:49 am »
BTW, there has to always be enough Soyuz for everybody to leave. So you only get one Soyuz when the crew gets to three between one increment landing and the next's launch (less than a month per year).
And Progress, Soyuz and ATV use the Russian Side Cone and Probe, while HTV/Dragon/Cygnus use the CBM. The Crewed version of Dragon, CST-100 and Dream Chase use whatever will replace APAS, thus, they have on port, and may be you could convert one of the CBM to crew, too.
Just a basic Wikipedia read would have shown this.

Offline manboy

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2086
  • Texas, USA, Earth
  • Liked: 134
  • Likes Given: 544
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #167 on: 01/03/2013 07:22 am »
Question on docking availability at ISS.  I believe I read that there are 4 Soyuz/Progress/Dragon docking ports and a single Soyuz always docked for emergencies.  So that leaves 3 open.  Just looking at Space X CRS 2 and the Soyuz/Progress planed launches. 

We have the following planned Progress/SpaceX launches for 2013

February 11 – Progress M-18M
March 1 - Dragon-CRS2
March 28 – Soyuz TMA-08M
April 24 – Progress M-19M
May 28 – Soyuz TMA-09M
July 24 – Progress M-20M
September 25 – Soyuz TMA-10M
September 30 - Dragon CRS3
October 16 – Progress M-21M
November 25 – Soyuz TMA-11M


So my question is.. IF SpaceX can't make the March 1st launch (for some reason). Which is sandwiched 3 weeks in between two Soyuz/Progress launches.  At what point does a delayed SapceX launch begin to interfere with processing capability of cargo at the ISS with Russian launches and what kind of delays would this present to CRS2? 
TIA. 
Soyuz, Progress and ATV use SSVP-G4000. Dragon, HTV, and Cygnus use the Common Berthing Mechanism (CBM). At the moment there are only two CBMS that visiting vehicles can be attached to, Node 2 nadir and Node 2 zenith.
"Cheese has been sent into space before. But the same cheese has never been sent into space twice." - StephenB

Offline Norm38

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1721
  • Liked: 1285
  • Likes Given: 2349
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #168 on: 01/19/2013 02:20 am »
Based on the Florida Today article OccupyMars posted in the update thread, it looks like SpaceX ended up about where I thought they might. They have theories on the engine issue but no real root cause. They can't identify any problems with the remaining 1Cs and have no changes to make.

So they can either spend a year on potentially fruitless ground testing, or they can launch the last of the old design. Time to move on.  I think they'll make the March date baring anything new.

Offline kevin-rf

  • Elite Veteran
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8823
  • Overlooking the path Mary's little Lamb took..
  • Liked: 1318
  • Likes Given: 306
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #169 on: 01/19/2013 11:49 am »
Well, hopefully the engines are new ;)
If you're happy and you know it,
It's your med's!

Offline woods170

  • IRAS fan
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12192
  • IRAS fan
  • The Netherlands
  • Liked: 18491
  • Likes Given: 12560
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #170 on: 01/19/2013 03:04 pm »
Based on the Florida Today article OccupyMars posted in the update thread, it looks like SpaceX ended up about where I thought they might. They have theories on the engine issue but no real root cause.
That usually is the case when the failed component in question has not been recovered from the ocean floor. With no examination performed on the actual engine, and only very marginal visual evidence (from launch footage) it can be quite hard to pin down the root cause.

Offline IRobot

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1311
  • Portugal & Germany
  • Liked: 310
  • Likes Given: 272
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #171 on: 01/19/2013 03:12 pm »
Based on the Florida Today article OccupyMars posted in the update thread, it looks like SpaceX ended up about where I thought they might. They have theories on the engine issue but no real root cause.
That usually is the case when the failed component in question has not been recovered from the ocean floor. With no examination performed on the actual engine, and only very marginal visual evidence (from launch footage) it can be quite hard to pin down the root cause.
No, there is plenty of telemetry info. The image only shows the implosion due to pressure drop.

Offline Comga

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6503
  • Liked: 4623
  • Likes Given: 5354
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #172 on: 01/19/2013 10:41 pm »
jacqmans posted a photo of the CRS-2 rocket.

There are tire tracks on the interstage.
Can anyone explain how SpaceX gets tire tracks on their rocket body?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

Offline joek

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4910
  • Liked: 2816
  • Likes Given: 1105
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #173 on: 01/19/2013 10:54 pm »
There are tire tracks on the interstage.
Can anyone explain how SpaceX gets tire tracks on their rocket body?
Possibly; see strangequark 's post here
« Last Edit: 01/19/2013 10:57 pm by joek »

Offline Robotbeat

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 39359
  • Minnesota
  • Liked: 25388
  • Likes Given: 12164
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #174 on: 01/19/2013 10:55 pm »
jacqmans posted a photo of the CRS-2 rocket.

There are tire tracks on the interstage.
Can anyone explain how SpaceX gets tire tracks on their rocket body?

Probably one of the stands (someowhere in its processing flow, or perhaps used for transport) has tires on it to make rotating the stage easy. And apparently, the tires got dirty.

It doesn't strike me as anything important at all.
Chris  Whoever loves correction loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

To the maximum extent practicable, the Federal Government shall plan missions to accommodate the space transportation services capabilities of United States commercial providers. US law http://goo.gl/YZYNt0

Offline joek

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4910
  • Liked: 2816
  • Likes Given: 1105
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #175 on: 01/19/2013 11:01 pm »
It doesn't strike me as anything important at all.
Dare say on this forum?

Offline Comga

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6503
  • Liked: 4623
  • Likes Given: 5354
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #176 on: 01/19/2013 11:05 pm »
jacqmans posted a photo of the CRS-2 rocket.

There are tire tracks on the interstage.
Can anyone explain how SpaceX gets tire tracks on their rocket body?

Probably one of the stands (someowhere in its processing flow, or perhaps used for transport) has tires on it to make rotating the stage easy. And apparently, the tires got dirty.

It doesn't strike me as anything important at all.

You, and strangequark and Lars all make the same logical guess, but does anyone here really know?

I agree it is probably not important for flight, but it is hard to imagine how they could even get that much dirt on a fixture without running it on the ground, and they didn't clean it off.  With all that gleaming white it is just odd.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

Offline Robotbeat

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 39359
  • Minnesota
  • Liked: 25388
  • Likes Given: 12164
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #177 on: 01/19/2013 11:05 pm »
It doesn't strike me as anything important at all.
Dare say on this forum?
You're right. I REALLY meant:
"Oh no, SpaceX ran over their rocket! ISS is clearly doomed next time Dragon launches there..." ;)
Chris  Whoever loves correction loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid.

To the maximum extent practicable, the Federal Government shall plan missions to accommodate the space transportation services capabilities of United States commercial providers. US law http://goo.gl/YZYNt0

Offline corrodedNut

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1542
  • Liked: 216
  • Likes Given: 133
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #178 on: 01/19/2013 11:19 pm »
There were similar marks on previous vehicles.
« Last Edit: 01/19/2013 11:24 pm by corrodedNut »

Offline Comga

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6503
  • Liked: 4623
  • Likes Given: 5354
Re: SpaceX Falcon 9/Dragon CRS SpX-2 MISSION GENERAL DISCUSSION
« Reply #179 on: 01/19/2013 11:31 pm »
There were similar marks on previous vehicles.

Thanks!  The photo with Elon explains it.  Just what I was looking for.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

Tags:
 

Advertisement NovaTech
Advertisement Northrop Grumman
Advertisement
Advertisement Margaritaville Beach Resort South Padre Island
Advertisement Brady Kenniston
Advertisement NextSpaceflight
Advertisement Nathan Barker Photography
0