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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #20 on: 11/02/2012 08:16 pm »
It is not a real re-design, it is only going back to the drawings before the joint rover time. The rover design is now very similar to the one in 2009. I know this from some TAS-I meetings to accommodate instruments in the ALD.
 

Thanks for that. Has there been any particular loss of science through returning to this 2009 design?

We lost two instruments and all their science. Rover payload is smaller now.
We lost 400 or 500 days of science. The mission is 180 days and not two years.
We lost all the instruments on the US side of the ExoMars-MaxC rover.
We got in real trouble because there is still instrument participation of Goddard and everything called Exomars should have been canceled.

There is still changes within Exomars because the contracts with Russia are still under negotiation.

Thank you for that informative update.

I hope there will be some clarification on this whole project soon.

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #21 on: 11/21/2012 04:27 pm »
ExoMars has moved a step closer to reality.

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European Space Agency member states have approved the agreement that would see Russia take significant roles in Red Planet missions in 2016 and 2018.

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #22 on: 12/09/2012 03:27 pm »
I was under the impression (according to Anatoly Zak, at least) that the ExoMars launches would be using the Blok DM-03.  Have I missed something?


I bet considering what has happened of late with the Briz-M that ESA are rather glad they are using the Blok DM-03.

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #23 on: 12/09/2012 03:55 pm »
I bet considering what has happened of late with the Briz-M that ESA are rather glad they are using the Blok DM-03.

Block DM is the upper stage that launched Mars-96 and Astra-1K... Europe has not good memories with this one !  :)
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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #24 on: 12/09/2012 04:01 pm »
I bet considering what has happened of late with the Briz-M that ESA are rather glad they are using the Blok DM-03.

Block DM is the upper stage that launched Mars-96 and Astra-1K... Europe has not good memories with this one !  :)

It did launch a sucsesful Moon mission, what was it called… Asiasat?
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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #25 on: 12/09/2012 08:01 pm »
I bet considering what has happened of late with the Briz-M that ESA are rather glad they are using the Blok DM-03.

Block DM is the upper stage that launched Mars-96 and Astra-1K... Europe has not good memories with this one !  :)

True. In that case they'll just have to keep their fingers crossed. :)

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #27 on: 02/04/2013 05:30 pm »

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #28 on: 02/16/2013 09:13 am »
Proton-M to be ordered
http://zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5368033

Thanks for that link. It's good to see a concrete move like this.

Thought that rocket looked like a bargain; price has been revised from
1 399 625 400,00 Российский рубль
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1 509 826 000,00 Российский рубль

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #29 on: 02/17/2013 06:30 pm »
Proton-M to be ordered
http://zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=5368033

Thanks for that link. It's good to see a concrete move like this.

Thought that rocket looked like a bargain; price has been revised from
1 399 625 400,00 Российский рубль
to
1 509 826 000,00 Российский рубль

How long does it take these days from ordering a Proton to it being ready for payload integration?

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #30 on: 02/17/2013 11:06 pm »
Why isn't this going on an Ariane V?
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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #31 on: 02/17/2013 11:50 pm »
Because it would be expensive. ESA doesn't like using Ariane for science missions if it doesn't have to, indeed that was part of the raison d'être of bringing Soyuz to Kourou for medium payloads.

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #33 on: 07/04/2013 07:30 pm »
I know it's a while down the road yet but what impact will this Proton failure have on ESA & the Protons used on ExoMars, do they already have the right to carry out their own full inspections of the vehicles?

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #34 on: 07/04/2013 08:29 pm »
I know it's a while down the road yet but what impact will this Proton failure have on ESA & the Protons used on ExoMars, do they already have the right to carry out their own full inspections of the vehicles?
No impact. By that time Proton will be flying like nothing had happened.

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #35 on: 07/04/2013 08:46 pm »
I know it's a while down the road yet but what impact will this Proton failure have on ESA & the Protons used on ExoMars, do they already have the right to carry out their own full inspections of the vehicles?
No impact. By that time Proton will be flying like nothing had happened.

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Re: Proton & ExoMars
« Reply #36 on: 10/25/2014 09:00 pm »
The recent Proton hiccup with Ekspress-AM6; how would such a shortfall affect a mission like this?

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