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Copenhagen Suborbital kick off campaign - July 27-29
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Morten C.
on 10 Jul, 2012 17:28
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#1
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mr. mark
on 10 Jul, 2012 17:39
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I underestimated this company and their abilities. I'm gladly eating my words. Love the sounding rocket and further work on the manned suborbital capsule and engine design. Hoping for a positive future outlook.
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#2
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pberrett
on 13 Jul, 2012 02:16
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Ummm
The Danish authorities have been happy to let these guys play with their rockets for the time being but if they ever actually get to the point that they are going to put a live person on a rocket and shoot them int space will the Danish authorities let them?
Isn't Denmark like every where else where there is a mountain of red tape to go through?
cheers Peter
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#3
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QuantumG
on 13 Jul, 2012 02:19
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Ummm
The Danish authorities have been happy to let these guys play with their rockets for the time being but if they ever actually get to the point that they are going to put a live person on a rocket and shoot them int space will the Danish authorities let them?
Isn't Denmark like every where else where there is a mountain of red tape to go through?
Apparently the nannys have already tried to have them shut down. They quickly approached their local representative, gave him a tour, told him their plans and got some political support.
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#4
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kch
on 13 Jul, 2012 02:35
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Apparently the nannys have already tried to have them shut down. They quickly approached their local representative, gave him a tour, told him their plans and got some political support.
Good for them!
Thank you, Morten, for the information -- much appreciated. Will be watching (and hoping for the best).
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#5
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Morten C.
on 13 Jul, 2012 08:43
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Ummm
The Danish authorities have been happy to let these guys play with their rockets for the time being but if they ever actually get to the point that they are going to put a live person on a rocket and shoot them int space will the Danish authorities let them?
Isn't Denmark like every where else where there is a mountain of red tape to go through?
cheers Peter
Well in Denmark, like most other places, if there is not a law or regulation
against something, then it is allowed (To be honest don't think anyone even
imagine, that someone would come up with the idea of launch themself on a
rocket
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Ofcause there is the safty of third party, that have to be addressed, but that
is the case with most things in life. If rocket parts start to rain down on
people and their property, things will change fast.
Copenhagen Suborbitals adresses these issues partly by launch far away from
everything plus wanting to control the rocket and spaceship. Test this year will
see how far CS is. SMARAGD 1 and 2 will be a test to see if they can keep
contact with the rocket at high altitude, so they can send shotdown and abort
commands, if needed. SAPPHIRE 1 and 2 will test active guidance, to make sure
they can keep inside the designated area.
Now will it change once Peter Madsen take his seat in the capsule? Well I really
don't think so. It is not like it will come as a suprise to anyone, as they have
been open about, that this is their goal from the start. One can think this is
foolish or stupid, but there is no law against being stupid (Not that I think
they are!). I guess it is a matter of what kind of risk you are prepare to take
in your own life, as long it does not harm anyone else. That is a freedom you
have as a person. Peter once stated, he is aware of the risks, but if given the
choise, he rather die on top of his rocket, than die in a nursing home.
Another thing is they are not launching in Danish territory, but from
international waters, where Danish law as such does not apply. Ofcause if they
wanted to shut them down I am sure there is a way, but then again there is alot
of waters around the world.
Kristian touch the issue a little in these 2 blogs
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/when-did-we-all-become-such-wimps/http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/so-you-got-a-space-rocket-but-nowhere-to-launch-it/Regards
Morten
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#6
by
Morten C.
on 13 Jul, 2012 08:57
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Ummm
The Danish authorities have been happy to let these guys play with their rockets for the time being but if they ever actually get to the point that they are going to put a live person on a rocket and shoot them int space will the Danish authorities let them?
Isn't Denmark like every where else where there is a mountain of red tape to go through?
Apparently the nannys have already tried to have them shut down. They quickly approached their local representative, gave him a tour, told him their plans and got some political support.
Well back in 2009 before CS was well known to the public, the minister of transportation was in the area on some other business. At first he thought it was candy camera
But after they gave him a tour he saw they are serious about it.
Other ministers have also aired their admiration, special after last year launch
Regards
Morten
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#7
by
Morten C.
on 13 Jul, 2012 09:01
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Thank you, Morten, for the information -- much appreciated. Will be watching (and hoping for the best).
You are welcome.
This way I can give a little back to this site, other than stupid questions
Regards
Morten
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#8
by
Morten C.
on 13 Jul, 2012 09:40
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I underestimated this company and their abilities. I'm gladly eating my words. Love the sounding rocket and further work on the manned suborbital capsule and engine design. Hoping for a positive future outlook.
Company is maybe to stretch it a bit, as CS is not selling anything. CS is an open source non-profit project. They see themself as an amateur rocket group, that might take it a little further than normal.
Peter and Kristian do work fulltime on this project, supporting themself with lectures. Apart from an unpaid intern, the rest is part time specialists. Most of them is from Denmark, but there is people from New Zealand, Russia, France and think I remember talk about a guy from US that spend his vacation last summer in Denmark building rocket as well.
Regards
Morten
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#9
by
Morten C.
on 18 Jul, 2012 17:41
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Google translate from Copenhagen Suborbitals Support website at
http://raketvenner.dkSpace Port Nexoe Update: Launch Schedule for 27th-29th July
Posted on July 18, 2012 by Jens Woeste
The following overall launch plan has been communicated from the Flight Director:
Tuesday 24 July
Equipment + vanguard departing from HAB with Space Port Nexoe as destination
Thursday, 26 July
Remaining personnel arrive at the Space Port Nexoe
Stacking of rockets
Refuelling of N2O
Friday the 27th July 10:00 to 15:00
LES / Tycho Deep Space 1 (aka Beautiful Betty) launched from ESD139
Saturday 28 July
Reconfiguration of the MLP Sputnik (SMARAGD start ramp installed, etc..)
Sunday 29 July 10:00 to 15:00
SMARAGD launched from ESD139
We will make sure to publish more detailed information on individual activities as soon as they become available.
There will in launches (Friday and Sunday) will be Mission Control in the Tycho Brahe Planetarium, as well as live stream TV CSS. We are currently working. on the final details about when the doors opened mm.
Stay tuned!
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#10
by
Morten C.
on 19 Jul, 2012 10:29
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Video about the SMARAGD rocket, where the first one going to be launch Sunday 29 July
SMARAGD 1 Episode 1 The Rocket
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#11
by
Morten C.
on 22 Jul, 2012 21:35
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#12
by
mr. mark
on 22 Jul, 2012 23:22
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I'm still very excited about their suborbital sounding rocket. Compared to where they were 2 years ago, this is a big step forward. This vehicle, in the long run, will provide more information potential than a suborbital tourist capsule.
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#13
by
Morten C.
on 24 Jul, 2012 08:17
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A small update from Peter Madsen on
Raketvenner.dk (Google translate)Looks like SMARAGD-1 is GO for Friday, July 27 between 10:00 and 14:00
LES/TDS was scrubbed because of the hydrostatic testing of the main engine nitrous oxide tank only reached 142%, supposed to 150%.
The deformation appeared in the common bulkhead. between the main engine tank and the seperation engine nitrous oxide tank. A new tank will be produced, and be ready in about a week. LES/TDS launch will be moved to next launch window 10-12 August.
Regards
Morten
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#14
by
Morten C.
on 26 Jul, 2012 06:48
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Yesterday the hardware was packed and shipped to Nexoe
T minus 3 days – We Are (Still) Go for LaunchYou can see the nominal flight events and pictures of the result of the hydrostatic test of the LES tanks.
Today CS start to unpack and setup to be ready for a launch tomorrow.
Kristian have also released their mission plan:
T minus 35 hours – Mission PlanShort summary:
05:00 CET MLP Sputnik departs
07:30 CET Rest of the fleet departs
09:00 CET All arrive at ESD139
10:15 CET T minus 30 min
MLP Sputnik can be followed when online at
aprs.fimarinetrafficRegards
Morten
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#15
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Morten C.
on 26 Jul, 2012 16:52
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#16
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 03:55
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#17
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 04:12
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Copenhagen Suborbitals Support (CSS) got the english site up and running yesterday:
Livestream from Sapphire launch starts 27.july 8.00AM UTC (9.00AM Copenhagen time, 02.00AM Central standard time)
Expected schedule (all times Copenhagen time, UTC+1)
- 7.30AM – Sputnik leaves Spaceport Nexø, heading for the launch site
- 9.30AM – Earliest possible launchtime
- 14.00PM – latest possible launchtime
- 17.00 – expected return to Spaceport Nexø.
rocketfriends.orgThere is 2 livestreams:
With commentary from Steen Eiler Jørgensen/CS
www.livestream.com/csscphAll available cameras
http://www.livestream.com/cssaarhus
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#18
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 05:45
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#19
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 06:12
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#20
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 06:23
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Live blog and sound from the control room at ing.dk
You are able to make on the fly translation, by change the setting in the chat window. It is the same used last year, and from what i understand it made a OK job at translation as there was people from all around the world in there
http://ing.dk/tema/raket
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#21
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 07:45
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Looks like it is live.... but with problems
I am at the Tycho Brahe Planetarium, and they say there be no sound on the stream.
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#22
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 08:23
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#23
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 08:32
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#24
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 08:35
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Had to get back to MLP Sputnik to turn off the cams, because of the launch delay due to the ship in the range
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#25
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 08:38
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#26
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 08:42
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#27
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 08:58
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#28
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:04
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#29
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:07
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#30
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:10
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#31
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:12
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#32
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:19
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Rocket did not ignite
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#33
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:22
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Tried to send the signal to launch 2 times but no cigar.
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#34
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:25
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pad crew going back to Sputnik
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#35
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:26
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#36
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:31
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#37
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:35
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#38
by
Silmfeanor
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:37
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thanks for the coverage so far
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#39
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:49
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you are welcome... just hope i have power enough on my laptop... first laptop is down, on my second now
Sound like VHF is the problem for getting the radio signal to the rocket
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#40
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 09:52
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Next try 12:50 CET, one hour from now
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#41
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 10:50
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#42
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 10:53
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payload cam get turned on again
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#43
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 10:58
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Crew leaving the MLP
Sure must be easier if they were able to launch from ground
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#44
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:00
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#45
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:01
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#46
by
IRobot
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:01
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Someone get this man a tripod!!
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#47
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:05
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Sound like their FIDO software is working as it supposed to
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#48
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:07
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Missed that
Just saw smoke!!
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#49
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:10
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Crew going back to MLP Sputnik
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#50
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:12
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Sputnik returning to Nexoe
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#51
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:15
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#52
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:15
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#53
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:17
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#54
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:20
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#55
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:23
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#56
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:31
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#57
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 11:59
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Think the video live feed ended up being fine, when you think there is no TV network in on it
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#58
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Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 12:07
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#59
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 12:35
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#60
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 13:57
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#61
by
mr. mark
on 27 Jul, 2012 14:07
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Hopefully, they will learn from this and move on with a second launch.
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#62
by
Morten C.
on 27 Jul, 2012 14:15
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Hopefully, they will learn from this and move on with a second launch.
I am sure they will. Learn a lot from mistakes.
There is already talks about making a stronger nose cone. But lets hear what they say when they get to Nexoe Port. Also looking forward to see what pictures and video they got.
Regards
Morten
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#63
by
Morten C.
on 28 Jul, 2012 09:20
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For some reason this video was removed and reposted,so here it is again
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#64
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Morten C.
on 01 Aug, 2012 16:19
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#65
by
mr. mark
on 01 Aug, 2012 16:29
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I know this is a research/amateur based institution but, it seems as if they are running rough shot in their learning curve. Possibly over packing parachutes on a upcoming LES test and saying that their sounding rocket was partially a success when there was a catastrophic payload failure which resulted in the rocket only achieving several thousand feet does not inspire. Better to concentrate on one aspect of operations may be best. Get the sounding rocket right before moving forward with other things. Much can be learned from US commercial sounding rocket firms such as UP aerospace which has had several successful launches. That said I still believe in what they are doing and hope for every success in the future.
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#66
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Morten C.
on 01 Aug, 2012 16:50
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I know this is a research/amateur based institution but, it seems as if they are running rough shot in their learning curve. Possibly over packing parachutes on a upcoming LES test and saying that their sounding rocket was partially a success when there was a catastrophic payload failure which resulted in the rocket only achieving several thousand feet does not inspire. Better to concentrate on one aspect of operations may be best. Get the sounding rocket right before moving forward with other things. Much can be learned from US commercial sounding rocket firms such as UP aerospace which has had several successful launches.
I do tend to agree. Although CS is divided in 2 main departments: Rocket engines and spacecrafts. Kristian von Bengtson, needs to test his subsystems to move on in his department. You could say it would be easier to drop TDS from a plane, but that is not allowed, so a LES system was made. And by doing so there have been some spinoff like explosive bolts etc. Funny enough it is allowed to have a man jump from a plane to test the parachutes.
But they do have lots of projects going on, maybe to many
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