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#600
by
Jim
on 05 Jan, 2007 02:41
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Propforce - 4/1/2007 9:16 PM
Jim - 30/12/2006 7:15 AM
SoCal has its earthquakes , wildfires, storms etc too
Jim,
Earthquake is no big deal here in so. cal.
Just imagine your wife actually shake in the bed 
::: drum roll please:::
Use to live there.
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#601
by
Dexter
on 05 Jan, 2007 04:32
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MySDCUserID - 4/1/2007 5:30 PM
Regardless of actual statistics, I think Jim is referring to the fact that most people think of Seattle as a cold and often cloudy/rainy geographic location. Which gives many people the impression that it may be a rather depressing and undesirable place to live as opposed to Cali or FL.
Actually, Jim did not give an opinion that Seatlle or the Pacific Northwest is undersirable, he stated it as fact that it is a suicide capital and when confronted he could have modified his position or offered proof. He did neither.
When I and other posters talk about weather in Denver, we are immediately dismissed by the earthquakes and wildfires.
Now we are led to believe that Seattle is undesirable because of a little rain and cloudiness?
Then Alabama is undesirable for big bugs, humidity, church burnings, etc... and Denver for all the snow.
You do make a good point about the desirability to live in California as reflected by the real estate market. This has been my point all along that the ULA scheme will jeopardize assured access to space for national security because people will not relocate as the pro-ULA advocates suggest.
The folks that suggest that Atlas moved from SD to Denver have not addresed the timing of the move during a recession versus today's climate with Blue Origin, SpaceX and others seeking those key technical folks.
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#602
by
Jim
on 05 Jan, 2007 04:43
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#603
by
yinzer
on 05 Jan, 2007 05:08
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Seattle and Tacoma are no more the same than Philadelphia and Camden.
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#604
by
Propforce
on 05 Jan, 2007 06:33
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Jim - 4/1/2007 7:24 PM
Propforce - 4/1/2007 9:16 PM
Jim - 30/12/2006 7:15 AM
SoCal has its earthquakes , wildfires, storms etc too
Jim,
Earthquake is no big deal here in so. cal.
Just imagine your wife actually shake in the bed ::: drum roll please:::
Use to live there.
I see.....
So McDonnell Douglas sent you to Florida... and you've bitter about it since ?
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#605
by
Damon Hill
on 05 Jan, 2007 06:46
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Speaking as a resident of the Seattle area since 1993, I can say that it doesn't rain nearly as much as people think, and that for six months of the year, the sun hardly shines through the clouds. Summer and early fall are great. The traffic's terrible, but so is everywhere else. The earthquakes are too small to notice and thunderstorms are downright polite, if not wimpy. The view of Mt. Rainier is inspiring year-round, but especially so in winter. Starbuck's and espresso stands are on every corner; I don't drink coffee. I still prefer the Pacific Northwet to living near Atlanta.
Meanwhile, we've got a new Delta IV Heavy on the launch pad.
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#606
by
Jim
on 05 Jan, 2007 13:06
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#607
by
Dexter
on 05 Jan, 2007 14:38
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#608
by
ULAwantabe
on 10 Jan, 2007 00:10
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Believe it or not I am an ex-Atlas / Centaur software engineer living in California. I am wanting to be hired by ULA in Littleton, and I am hoping to replace one of those ULA Boeing engineers who is afraid of the cold.
Has anybody read any juicy rumors on how many Boeing engineers are going to take the Littleton move package? I am hoping all the bad weather and such in Colorado is going to scare these folks away from the idea of freezing in Denver.
Anybody know what the deadline is for the Boeing engineers whom received a move package to respond by?
Anybody know what the ULA move package is that is offered to these folks? Sell California house? Move how many pounds for a family move?
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#609
by
Propforce
on 12 Jan, 2007 08:13
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Hello ULAwantabe,
You'll have no worries. You can expect less than 30% of "... afraid of cold..." Boeing engineers that will choose to go to Colorado, especially the software engineers. So you should "network" with you ex-colleagues, ex-bosses, etc. about applying for a job with the ULA.
But the question is why were you left behind? We have an ex-Atlas/ Centaur engineer who now works in Delta and would LOVE to go to Denver, but he was not offerred to go with the original Atlas team. Reportedly he was so upset that he sued the company. I don't think he will exactly be in the company's high priority "invite" list this time neither.
We should find out within the next month or so on who in management will choose to go, starting with the directors, then senior managers, then the first line managers, then the worker-bees get to decide. It makes a big difference to the workerbees knowing who will be your manager before making this important career decision.
Personally, if I was you, I'd apply directly to Lockheed for the CEV job rather than a ULA job. A development program is a lot more interesting than a "sustaining" program. JMO.
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#610
by
publiusr
on 12 Jan, 2007 17:56
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One thing that worries me about the Decatur plant. We have an small Tornado alley in North Alabama.
Back in 1989, Huntsville was devastated by an F-4.
In 1974 we had the Super-Outbreak, which included the 102-mile Guin, Alabama F-5. It passed over Redstone as a funnel cloud before breaking up completely.
One bad strike and we lose both EELVs.
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#611
by
Jim
on 12 Jan, 2007 18:18
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publiusr - 12/1/2007 1:39 PM
One thing that worries me about the Decatur plant. We have an small Tornado alley in North Alabama.
Back in 1989, Huntsville was devastated by an F-4.
In 1974 we had the Super-Outbreak, which included the 102-mile Guin, Alabama F-5. It passed over Redstone as a funnel cloud before breaking up completely.
One bad strike and we lose both EELVs.
Another Katrina and MAF is gone. So what is the point?
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#612
by
bombay
on 12 Jan, 2007 19:23
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Jim - 12/1/2007 1:01 PM
publiusr - 12/1/2007 1:39 PM
One thing that worries me about the Decatur plant. We have an small Tornado alley in North Alabama.
Back in 1989, Huntsville was devastated by an F-4.
In 1974 we had the Super-Outbreak, which included the 102-mile Guin, Alabama F-5. It passed over Redstone as a funnel cloud before breaking up completely.
One bad strike and we lose both EELVs.
Another Katrina and MAF is gone. So what is the point?
The point that he's obviously making is that if national security is the primary reason for the formation of ULA, then why risk having both Delta and Atlas manufacturing under one roof whereby both programs would be shut down in the event of a natural disaster. That flys in the face of the national security rhetoric that we've all been fed.
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#613
by
Jim
on 13 Jan, 2007 00:10
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No, he is just plain anti EELV. But anyways, MAF is just as important
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#614
by
yinzer
on 13 Jan, 2007 00:22
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And one has to ask what the odds are of various failures, when trying to protect against them. Problems with newish large rocket engines? Common. Problems with launch vehicle component interactions? Common. Problems with the RL10? Less common. Tornados big enough to destroy the Decatur manufacturing plant? Uncommon.
Although given that MAF survived this Katrina, I'm curious as to why it wouldn't survive another one.
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#615
by
Dexter
on 15 Jan, 2007 03:52
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ULAwantabe - 9/1/2007 6:53 PM
Believe it or not I am an ex-Atlas / Centaur software engineer living in California. I am wanting to be hired by ULA in Littleton, and I am hoping to replace one of those ULA Boeing engineers who is afraid of the cold.
Has anybody read any juicy rumors on how many Boeing engineers are going to take the Littleton move package? I am hoping all the bad weather and such in Colorado is going to scare these folks away from the idea of freezing in Denver.
Anybody know what the deadline is for the Boeing engineers whom received a move package to respond by?
Anybody know what the ULA move package is that is offered to these folks? Sell California house? Move how many pounds for a family move?
Why don't you go to
www.ulalaunch .com
There seem to be many jobs already available especially technical jobs in Huntington Beach. You will notice that they all state the jobs are moving to Denver.
https://recruiter.kenexa.com/ula/cc/CCJobSearchAction.ss?command=CCSearchNowLots of technical positions already.
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#616
by
ULAwantabe
on 16 Jan, 2007 01:18
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To Propforce and Dexter,
I choose not to go to Denver in 1994 because I was to much a wimp and "afraid of the cold". My father having just died also played into the decision.
I still hate the cold but I think I would miss exercising my love of rocketry for staying behind if given a second chance. I have not worked in as fascinating of a position since leaving Atlas. But the biggest draw of my interest is the opportunity to cash out on my home mortgage and stack up to 1/2 a million in the bank with that federal one time equity cash out option. I have already been to Denver with my lovely wife who would not be my lovely wife if I choose to go in 1994. And we both liked Littleton and Highlands Ranch to the maximum. Nice inexpensive houses, high quality of life compared to California, good schools too! But unfortunately no Fry’s!
Because I just am somewhat bothered by the cold winters and I check the
http://littletongov.org/cupolacam/default.asp CAM of Littleton twice a day. Right now it is 15.9 degrees. Boo! I hope that scares all you Delta people away. since you need to stay behind or else you will loose your endless warm California sunshine! SO ALLOW ME ALL YOUR OPPORTUNITIES. Actually if I do get an offer I expect it would be to work Delta and I would greatly love to work side by side with your very qualified Delta engineers. You are the best. So I hope all the smart one take the ULA opportunity.
I checked out the ULA careers page twice a day. I log all the new jobs into my book, and have not yet seen any positions that actually satisfy my goals, other then one in Florida. I feel that it will take a few months for ULA management to digest all your Delta HB engineering positions and then to decide on the new required staffing levels. But just as soon as I view the proper job requisitions I will make contact with all my energies and gusto.
As for stability, my feeling is that ULA employees will essentially have long term stability provided ULA does not initially over hire to make up for lost work load from the chaos of the past two years. As for me, I should not tell you where I live in southern California so as to give away my amenity, however I will state that the option of first moving to HB would be lower on my list then Alabama. But if that is the only way to get a move package out of the deal I would consider it. And therefore I am directing most of my energies to apply directly to Littleton based positions.
I have reviewed and applied to many of the Orion (not called CEV anymore) positions at Lockheed and I would like to state that the competition is fierce to get on that program. I also worry that the stability of employment may not be as long term as on a ULA position. Though I would tend to agree that Orion offers very fascinating work prospects. I hear that the second big wave of hiring will be in the summer of 07 for Orion. Nice time to move to Denver. Nice time to plant the annuals in the garden! But I guess I will have to forget about the perennials coming up the next year in Colorado.
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#617
by
Dexter
on 16 Jan, 2007 04:16
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ULAW.
Thanks for supporting my argument that folks who are contemplating relocation will be affected by weather and climate much as you did in 1994. You also brought up the passing of your father (belated condolences) and this is another issue affecting people taking care of elderly parents whose decision will be affected by such a situation.
I do find it interesting that, based on your comments, Orion positions are subject to fierce competition even in a cold environment, while ULA position in HB are readily available as if the road to attrition has already begun with people bailing. This is the only conclusion I can draw, otherwise ULA could wait to fill those positions when they move to Denver.
I wish you luck in your quest to land a job with ULA because our National security requirement to launch sattelites will depend on folks like you who are willing to make the move.
Be advised, however, that it was mentioned in another thread that Lockheed started building a facility in Huntsville prior to winning Orion and it is speculated that ULA engineering will eventually end up in North Alabama close to Decatur.
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#618
by
ULAwantabe
on 16 Jan, 2007 16:20
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Dexter,
>Be advised, however, that it was mentioned in another thread that Lockheed started building a facility in Huntsville prior to winning Orion and it is speculated that ULA engineering will eventually end up in North Alabama close to Decatur.
You just dropped a big bomb shell on my foot! I am wanting to send some emails to my primary contacts on ULA to double check this. Alabama will NOT work for me. (Although I hear you can buy 2 acre lots for $150K and oh yes.... that comes with a new house)... and mosquitoes too!
Are you sure you do not mean to say that Orion engineering will eventually end up in Alabama or Texas? I ask this because I heard once second hand from an Orion manager that the Lockheed space system positions on Orion may eventually move out of Denver. Please highlight if you mean ULA, or rather Orion LM positions.... Thanks!
Also, you say that HB can not find willing and able engineers. I am a s/w engineer with strong experience in cryogenic fluid simulations of rocket systems. I thought that the only ULA hiring (both Littleton and HB) is via the
https://recruiter.kenexa.com/ula/cc/Home.ss page? Is there another pathway that I could fire my resume directly to someone in HB? Any way to get a contact link off line? It would definitely be a wise method for me to pursue the correct position directly through HB if that is another active method. I have already been on my fair share of plant tours in 1994. Perhaps an interview directly in HB would save me a lot of the hassle of a winter flight to Denver. Also, I am into bypassing the formality and such and trying to speak directly to an hiring manager in my experience area. You can fire me off a confidential email and I will reply from my personal e-mail. I am very much into entering from the back door if it is open.
Thank you!
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#619
by
Propforce
on 16 Jan, 2007 19:00
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ULAwantabe - 16/1/2007 9:03 AM
Also, you say that HB can not find willing and able engineers. I am a s/w engineer with strong experience in cryogenic fluid simulations of rocket systems. I thought that the only ULA hiring (both Littleton and HB) is via the https://recruiter.kenexa.com/ula/cc/Home.ss page? Is there another pathway that I could fire my resume directly to someone in HB? Any way to get a contact link off line? It would definitely be a wise method for me to pursue the correct position directly through HB if that is another active method. I have already been on my fair share of plant tours in 1994. Perhaps an interview directly in HB would save me a lot of the hassle of a winter flight to Denver. Also, I am into bypassing the formality and such and trying to speak directly to an hiring manager in my experience area. You can fire me off a confidential email and I will reply from my personal e-mail. I am very much into entering from the back door if it is open.
Thank you!
You can explore HB (as well as any locations) jobs via Boeing's external link
https://jobs.boeing.com/index.jspJust click on "Job Search" function on the upper left-hand-corner. There are 21 S/W engineering jobs currently in So. Cal.
Unless you're dead-set to work for ULA, there're lots of other programs that need S/W engineers at Boeing Southern California. Big programs such as GPS III, IIF, FCS, GMD, JTRS, etc. Boeing's 2 big business unit in So. Cal. are Space & Intelligence Sys. and C3 networks. You can just imagine lots of S/W engineering jobs in these area.
However; be warned that a decent house in HB
starts around $800K. The good news is it will appreciate faster than Littleton and you will have a fatter nest egg around your time to retire.
::: drum roll please:::