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#40
by
PeterAlt
on 07 Dec, 2012 23:24
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I'm assuming this contract includes design and construction. Or was the engineering work already in progress?
I didn't see any mentioning of plans for its twin module. From a cost effective POV, it would make sense to construct two of each part for this, as the second part would be required when (or if) the twin's contract gets bid.
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#41
by
Nicolas PILLET
on 19 Dec, 2012 12:44
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#42
by
Danderman
on 23 Feb, 2013 14:46
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http://news.mail.ru/inregions/center/36/economics/12068287/?frommail=1Here is a story in Russian that mentions money and the Science Energy Module (link from the NK forum). Anyway, the story says Russian banks have lent some companies in Voronezh 1.5 billion rubles, so that the companies could modernize their production capability to be able to work on such projects as the Science Energy Module (in particular).
One of the companies is called "NPO Energia", but I suspect that it has no connection to RSC Energia.
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#43
by
woods170
on 23 Feb, 2013 18:14
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http://news.mail.ru/inregions/center/36/economics/12068287/?frommail=1
Here is a story in Russian that mentions money and the Science Energy Module (link from the NK forum). Anyway, the story says Russian banks have lent some companies in Voronezh 1.5 billion rubles, so that the companies could modernize their production capability to be able to work on such projects as the Science Energy Module (in particular).
One of the companies is called "NPO Energia", but I suspect that it has no connection to RSC Energia.
NPO Energia is an earlier name of RSC Energia. It's the same company.
What is known in the west today as RSC Energia has existed under such names as OKB-1, TsKBEM, NPO Energia and S.P. Korolyov RSC Energia.
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#44
by
Danderman
on 23 Feb, 2013 18:46
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I know that RSC Energia used to be NPO Energia. I am suggesting that this Voronezh company has the same name, but is not connected with the Moscow based firm.
I could be wrong, but I am unaware of any presence by RSC Energia in Voronezh. When I was planning to travel to Voronezh, the Energia staff told me that Voronezh was a dangerous place, and that I shouldn't go there.
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#45
by
360-180
on 24 Feb, 2013 05:00
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The article reported that, LLC "MEL" and JSC "Orbita" make parts for the new space module NEM-1. If you look at civil products of these companies, then you can conclude that they do electromechanical and electronic components.
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#46
by
360-180
on 08 Apr, 2013 02:27
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Thanx for NK member Reader
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#47
by
manboy
on 08 Apr, 2013 04:36
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Thanx for NK member Reader
Here's a google translated version of the Science-Power Module-2 diagram.
Системы обеспечения жизнедеятельности = Life support systems
каюта = cabin
зоны грузоь и пн (Или каюта) = cargo and scientific equipment area (or cabin)
Пост управления = control station
зоны служебных систем = support system area
зоны средств медицинского обеспечения = Medical care area
EDIT: Added corrections made by 360-180
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#48
by
360-180
on 08 Apr, 2013 05:49
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Зоны грузов и ПН (Или каюта) = cargo area and (PAYLOAD literaly) scientific equipment area (or cabin)
ПН Полезная Нагрузка = Payload
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#49
by
PeterAlt
on 10 Apr, 2013 04:52
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Cabin? Crew cabin?
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#50
by
manboy
on 10 Apr, 2013 07:48
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Cabin? Crew cabin?
Cabin = crew cabin = crew quarter. I'm assuming they'd be similar to the ones on Zvezda.
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#51
by
baldusi
on 10 Apr, 2013 15:34
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
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#52
by
360-180
on 10 Apr, 2013 17:01
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
NEM will join the ISS in 2015-2016. Currently, 2020 is the end of the nominal existence of ISS. After 2020, no one can specify how many Russian crew members have. While the partners have not agreed to extend until 2028, RSOS will created as part of the future Russian station.
The size of the Russian part of the crew determined capacity of the Soyuz - 3 cosmonauts
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#53
by
Space Pete
on 10 Apr, 2013 18:44
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
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#54
by
Dappa
on 10 Apr, 2013 20:08
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
I thought MLM would enable that already, maintaining three Russians once the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying?
Having additional CQs in the Science and Energy Modules could potentially allow more than three Russian crew on board.
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#55
by
Space Pete
on 10 Apr, 2013 20:20
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I thought MLM would enable that already, maintaining three Russians once the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying?
Having additional CQs in the Science and Energy Modules could potentially allow more than three Russian crew on board.
Oops - yes, you are quite correct. My bad - I got confused for a moment between the MLM and the NEMs.
If more Russian crews were to fly on ISS, then there would need to be some ECLSS updates. Of course, the CQs in the NEMs could be to allow for three crewmembers to live aboard the possible post-ISS Russian station consisting of the MLM + NEMs.
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#56
by
asmi
on 11 Apr, 2013 00:30
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NEM will join the ISS in 2015-2016. Currently, 2020 is the end of the nominal existence of ISS. After 2020, no one can specify how many Russian crew members have. While the partners have not agreed to extend until 2028, RSOS will created as part of the future Russian station.
On the question of ISS lifetime I think it will keep flying until something happens onboard serious enough that the station won't be able be to restored with any reasonable efforts, because it's in every participating agency's interest to keep current status quo. This will allow NASA to keep "building" Senate Launch System that apparently uses taxdollars as fuel as these dollars are the only thing that is burned in SLS. It will also allow RSA to keep doing what it's doing right now - which is building power point spacecraft and rockets, and same goes for ESA. Not sure about JAXA though, but anyways the point is - when ISS is no more, every agency will be forced to actually build and launch something, otherwise their budgets will disappear. Right now when they are asked about what they are doing, they point to ISS, and this obviously won't work after ISS.
As much as I hate this situation, I have to admit that this is what I think is going on with agencies as all of them love to talk about alrge-scale missions to Moon, Mars, NEA, you_name_it, but there is very little happening beyond these talks...
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#57
by
360-180
on 11 Apr, 2013 02:37
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Will that enable the russians to have four crews staying?
No, it will enable them to keep three up there, once one of them gets booted out of the USOS CQs after the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying via commercial crew.
I thought MLM would enable that already, maintaining three Russians once the fourth USOS crewmember starts flying?
Having additional CQs in the Science and Energy Modules could potentially allow more than three Russian crew on board.
SM:2 CQ (2 каюты) MLM:1 CQ (1 каюта) NEM-1:2-4 CQ (2-4 каюты) Sum 2+1+4=7
According NK forum NEM-1 is backup SM
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum10/topic9884/message960358/#message960358"One of the NEMs is to become a backup SM and to serve as the SM when [RSOS] undocking from the ISS without SM or SM failure."
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#58
by
360-180
on 11 Apr, 2013 02:54
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On the question of ISS lifetime I think it will keep flying until something happens onboard serious enough that the station won't be able be to restored with any reasonable efforts, because it's in every participating agency's interest to keep current status quo. ...
Yes. Term existence of the station can be substantially longer than the duration of the individual modules. In the RSA developed the concept of "immortal station" and started to implement. Node module UM and the Scientific-energy modules NeEM-1 and NEM-2 are elements of the concept.
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#59
by
360-180
on 11 Apr, 2013 03:23
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