Author Topic: Proton-M launch with Luch-5B/Yamal-300K satellites - November 2, 2012  (Read 53261 times)

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http://www.gascom.ru/en/news/events/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=1910&print=Y

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Yamal-300K payload is designed by Gazprom Space Systems, its acceptance test was performed in November 2011.

I don't understand... Gazprom Space Systems built the payload by its own ?? Don't you find this quite surprising ? I can't imagine that this unexperienced company could reach the same level as Thales Alenia Space, or others...
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http://www.gascom.ru/en/news/events/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=1910&print=Y

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Yamal-300K payload is designed by Gazprom Space Systems, its acceptance test was performed in November 2011.

I don't understand... Gazprom Space Systems built the payload by its own ?? Don't you find this quite surprising ? I can't imagine that this unexperienced company could reach the same level as Thales Alenia Space, or others...

The key here is that the "payload" was designed by Gazprom Space Systems, not the satellite. And "payload design" could mean many things, one of them not being "assembly of the payload".

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http://www.gascom.ru/en/news/events/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=1910&print=Y

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Yamal-300K payload is designed by Gazprom Space Systems, its acceptance test was performed in November 2011.

I don't understand... Gazprom Space Systems built the payload by its own ?? Don't you find this quite surprising ? I can't imagine that this unexperienced company could reach the same level as Thales Alenia Space, or others...

The key here is that the "payload" was designed by Gazprom Space Systems, not the satellite. And "payload design" could mean many things, one of them not being "assembly of the payload".


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 The main advantage of the Yamal-300K project is its reduced order-to-delivery cycle time, which is mainly due to the fact that the equipment for the payload and the ground control segment was manufactured within the initial Yamal-300 program.
http://www.iss-reshetnev.com/images/File/magazin/2010/m10-screen_en.pdf

http://is.mdacorporation.com/mdais_canada/Market/Market_Communications_RelatedPrograms.aspx

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 Gascom currently has three Yamal telecommunication satellites, designed and built jointly with the Energia Corporation.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080206/98567386.html
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Exactly 3 days after spacecraft separations, USSTRATCOM doesn't seem to track publicly either of them ???
Let's see if something will be published to-day!

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Also according to Andrey at NK (http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum12/topic12592/message1004210/#message1004210) Luch-5A will swap orbital places with the yet-to-be-launched Luch-5V to save the 167 deg. East slot, with the 95 deg. East slot emptied for a year or so. (note: Luch-5B is at 16 deg. West)
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any updates on the Luch system going into operation?
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Apparently USSTRATCOM has reserved 4 catalog numbers for in-orbit objects from this launch, ie 38977 to 38980.
For the time being only the Briz-M tank (38977) is publicly tracked.

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Finally, Nov 27, we see US tracking data for two of the high orbit objects
38977 in 35921 x 36085 km x 0.2 deg over 12.9E moving 2 deg W per day
38978 in 35607 x 35826 km x 0.2 deg over 87.9E moving 0.9 deg E per day

My tentative guess is that 38978 is Yamal, 38977 is the Briz-M, and the Luch is still missing.
The drop tank previously tracked as 38977 is now 38979.
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Finally, Nov 27, we see US tracking data for two of the high orbit objects
38977 in 35921 x 36085 km x 0.2 deg over 12.9E moving 2 deg W per day
38978 in 35607 x 35826 km x 0.2 deg over 87.9E moving 0.9 deg E per day

My tentative guess is that 38978 is Yamal, 38977 is the Briz-M, and the Luch is still missing.
The drop tank previously tracked as 38977 is now 38979.

We'll know if 38977 is Luch-5B if it stops at 16W around December 6

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Finally, Nov 27, we see US tracking data for two of the high orbit objects
38977 in 35921 x 36085 km x 0.2 deg over 12.9E moving 2 deg W per day
38978 in 35607 x 35826 km x 0.2 deg over 87.9E moving 0.9 deg E per day

My tentative guess is that 38978 is Yamal, 38977 is the Briz-M, and the Luch is still missing.
The drop tank previously tracked as 38977 is now 38979.

We'll know if 38977 is Luch-5B if it stops at 16W around December 6


Ah, my bad, I forgot Luch 5B was going to the west slot. OK, so 38977 is probably Luch then, fair enough
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Yes, for Intelsat-23 and Luch-5B/Yamal-300K. But if I have understood correctly these upper stages will be returned to Moscow. Other upper stages will be used for these launches.

 So what was the serial number of the original Briz-M for Yamal-300K/Luch-5B, and when was a replacement delivered?

Original Briz-M was 99534 then changed to 99533 and then again to 99534, and finally to 99533 again. I have no information about the arrival dates to Baykonur.

http://www.gazprom-spacesystems.ru/ru/news/publications/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=2142
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После этого Роскосмос принял решение детально перепроверить произведенные Бризы-М: №99528 и №99533, находившиеся на космодроме, а также №99534 и №99535, пребывавшие в Центре Хруничева. На это потребовалось время. В результате 14 октября на Протоне-М первым после аварии полетел спутник Intelsat 23. Причем для его запуска использовался Бриз-М №99534, доставленный на Байконур 21 сентября, а не №99528, хранившийся в МИКе площадки 92А. А вот Луч-5Б и Ямал-300К, как изначально планировалось, отправились на орбиту на блоке №99533.
Как сообщил НК заместитель директора Завода по эксплуатации ракетно-космической техники Центра Хруничева по летно-испытательной базе Байконур Леонид Горюшкин, Бризы-М №99528 и №99533 были подвергнуты специальной проверке прямо в МИКе площадки 92А.

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Transition of information :

Rui -> NSF -> anik -> NK -> Gazprom -> Stan -> NSF   ;D
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Transition of information :

Rui -> NSF -> anik -> NK -> Gazprom -> Stan -> NSF   ;D

Yes it can be a little problematic finding the original source of information!

I posted the same information on three threads just to provide clarity.

It does look like that here on NSF we knew that the two Briz were modified at Baikonur, not returned to Khrunichev, and we new the serial numbers and delivery dates. You know, I always thought that NK was the source of information, but you are now making me believe that they sourced their information from NSF!
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Transition of information :

Rui -> NSF -> anik -> NK -> Gazprom -> Stan -> NSF   ;D

Yes it can be a little problematic finding the original source of information!

I posted the same information on three threads just to provide clarity.

It does look like that here on NSF we knew that the two Briz were modified at Baikonur, not returned to Khrunichev, and we new the serial numbers and delivery dates. You know, I always thought that NK was the source of information, but you are now making me believe that they sourced their information from NSF!

This is an exception. Believe me, I read NK every month, and they are THE source for Russian Space !
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any updates on the Luch system going into operation?


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