ESA / Roscosmos cooperation plans on Clipper programme

• ESA / Roscosmos cooperation plans on Clipper programme by AndyMc on 15 Jun, 2006 09:21
• Just came across this ESA PowerPoint presentation from November 2005.
  
  http://www.astronautical.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=32&Itemid=56
  
  
• #1 by Norm Hartnett on 24 Jun, 2006 22:48
• "European Space Agency (ESA) governments agreed June 22 to participate in a two-year program with Russia, and probably Japan as well, to explore crew-transport vehicle designs for missions to the international space station, the Moon and elsewhere."
  
  Here http://www.space.com/news/060623_clipper_esa.html
  
  "European government officials have said they will not embark on a solo development effort. They have approached NASA about joining the U.S. Crew Exploration Vehicle program but have been rebuffed by the current U.S. government policy of making the vehicle off limits to non-U.S. participants."
  
  Well that ought to reduce the CEV flight manifest. Seems like we might have a "space race" after all. U.S. against our international partners.
  
• #2 by Jim on 25 Jun, 2006 00:00
• It was never part of the CEV flight manifest.
• #3 by Spiff on 26 Jun, 2006 10:59
• 15 mln euro. Doesn't sound enough to develop a new vehicle. Even if it's an upgrade of Soyuz as opposed to Clipper.
  
  I'm all for more cooperation between Europe, Russia, Japan on developing an independent manned vehicle, but this sounds like a few paper studies with perhaps some prototyping, not an entire development program.
• #4 by fregate on 27 Jun, 2006 06:56
• And where is an official ESA press release - definetely  not on ESA web site!!!
• #5 by josh_simonson on 27 Jun, 2006 18:31
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  Spiff - 26/6/2006  5:46 AM
  
  15 mln euro. Doesn't sound enough to develop a new vehicle. Even if it's an upgrade of Soyuz as opposed to Clipper.
  
  I'm all for more cooperation between Europe, Russia, Japan on developing an independent manned vehicle, but this sounds like a few paper studies with perhaps some prototyping, not an entire development program.

  
  That's just what they're paying the butcher to divvy up the pork.
• #6 by mr.columbus on 27 Jun, 2006 18:53
• It's just a study - no need for a press release. You do a press release when it has actually been decided to go ahead witht the program.
• #7 by AndyMc on 29 Jun, 2006 07:37
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  Norm Hartnett - 24/6/2006  5:35 PM
  
  "European Space Agency (ESA) governments agreed June 22 to participate in a two-year program with Russia, and probably Japan as well, to explore crew-transport vehicle designs for missions to the international space station, the Moon and elsewhere."
  
  Here http://www.space.com/news/060623_clipper_esa.html
  
  "European government officials have said they will not embark on a solo development effort. They have approached NASA about joining the U.S. Crew Exploration Vehicle program but have been rebuffed by the current U.S. government policy of making the vehicle off limits to non-U.S. participants."
  
  Well that ought to reduce the CEV flight manifest. Seems like we might have a "space race" after all. U.S. against our international partners.
  

  
  More about this meeting here:
  
  http://planetary.org/news/2006/0628_Europe_and_Russia_Join_Forces_to_Study.html
  
  "I have been told by [NASA Administrator] Mike Griffin and [White House Office of Science and Technology Policy Director John] Marburger that the [NASA crew exploration vehicle] CEV is not for international cooperation. But if Europe is not involved in the next-generation transportation systems, we will stay forever a second-class partner."  Director-General Jean-Jacques Dordain
  
  It looks as though the winged Klipper is dead, not just because of the expense of developing it, but that the destination now appears to be the Moon.
  
  Let's have a race