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Progress M-25M (No. 424) Soyuz-2-1A – October 29 2014
by
Danderman
on 02 May, 2012 16:11
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Anik reports that this Progress will fly on Soyuz-2.1a. That LV provides about 400 extra kg of payload - so how will this be accommodated on Progress? Perhaps the Rodnik tanks, the prop tanks and the cargo compartment will all simply be maxed out. In practice, that would be:
1300 kg dry cargo
420 kg water in Rodnik tanks
880 kg mid-section prop for ISS
250 kg PAO prop for use by ISS
That totals to 2850 kg, within 100 kg of the max capability of Soyuz-2.1a from Baikonur. A little more dry cargo could probably be stuffed into the cargo compartment.
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by
Stan Black
on 02 May, 2012 16:43
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Anik reports that this Progress will fly on Soyuz-2.1a. That LV provides about 400 extra kg of payload - so how will this be accommodated on Progress? Perhaps the Rodnik tanks, the prop tanks and the cargo compartment will all simply be maxed out. In practice, that would be:
1300 kg dry cargo
420 kg water in Rodnik tanks
880 kg mid-section prop for ISS
250 kg PAO prop for use by ISS
That totals to 2850 kg, within 100 kg of the max capability of Soyuz-2.1a from Baikonur. A little more dry cargo could probably be stuffed into the cargo compartment.
Additional gas tanks like M-52, M-53, M-54 and M-55?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=16803.msg494268#msg494268Rodnik in cargo compartment like Progress-M1?
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#2
by
Danderman
on 02 May, 2012 16:48
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Anik reports that this Progress will fly on Soyuz-2.1a. That LV provides about 400 extra kg of payload - so how will this be accommodated on Progress? Perhaps the Rodnik tanks, the prop tanks and the cargo compartment will all simply be maxed out. In practice, that would be:
1300 kg dry cargo
420 kg water in Rodnik tanks
880 kg mid-section prop for ISS
250 kg PAO prop for use by ISS
That totals to 2850 kg, within 100 kg of the max capability of Soyuz-2.1a from Baikonur. A little more dry cargo could probably be stuffed into the cargo compartment.
Additional gas tanks like M-52, M-53, M-54 and M-55?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=16803.msg494268#msg494268
Rodnik in cargo compartment like Progress-M1?
Yeah, I forgot about atmospheric gas tanks, that's good for 40 kg, and yes, external tanks could add a little more. No cargo compartment Rodnik tanks, though, since that decreases available cargo mass.
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#3
by
Prober
on 02 May, 2012 20:01
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Anik reports that this Progress will fly on Soyuz-2.1a. That LV provides about 400 extra kg of payload - so how will this be accommodated on Progress? Perhaps the Rodnik tanks, the prop tanks and the cargo compartment will all simply be maxed out. In practice, that would be:
anytime table for this?
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#4
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Stan Black
on 02 May, 2012 20:36
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Maybe the rocket will be instrumented; for later manned missions, abort system tests?
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#5
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anik
on 02 May, 2012 21:06
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Introduction of Soyuz-2 rocket for Progress launches does not mean that mass of cargoes will be increased. It means only that Roskosmos and TsSKB-Progress wants to replace Soyuz-U and Soyuz-FG rockets, because systems for them are producing in Ukraine and they are very old. RSC Energia categorically against introduction of Soyuz-2, because this rocket costs much money and does not give advantages for Progress and Soyuz launches.
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#6
by
Danderman
on 02 May, 2012 22:10
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Anik reports that this Progress will fly on Soyuz-2.1a. That LV provides about 400 extra kg of payload - so how will this be accommodated on Progress? Perhaps the Rodnik tanks, the prop tanks and the cargo compartment will all simply be maxed out. In practice, that would be:
anytime table for this?
October 23 2013
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#7
by
Danderman
on 02 May, 2012 22:13
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Introduction of Soyuz-2 rocket for Progress launches does not mean that mass of cargoes will be increased. It means only that Roskosmos and TsSKB-Progress wants to replace Soyuz-U and Soyuz-FG rockets, because systems for them are producing in Ukraine and they are very old. RSC Energia categorically against introduction of Soyuz-2, because this rocket costs much money and does not give advantages for Progress and Soyuz launches.
Not so easy.
In order for the Soyuz 2-1a to maintain a trajectory so that lower stages drop into the drop zones, the payload mass must be some 400 kg more massive than for Soyuz-U (otherwise, the rocket will pass the drop zones by some tens of kilometers). An alternative would be to reprogram the flight computer to shut off the engines earlier than normal, but that would be risky - the optimal approach is appropriate loading of the system, not playing with software.
In the worst case, an extra 400 kg of prop and gases and water could be added to Progress that might be wasted at ISS, that is far cheaper than reprogramming the avionics. And yes, Progress can handle that additional mass during docking, as long as the c/g is maintained properly.
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#8
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Nicolas PILLET
on 03 May, 2012 11:46
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But adding 400kg would mean a redesign of Progress M-M, because in the present configuration the is no available space for more cargo.
At first, the use of Soyuz-2 was needed for Progress M1. But since this spacecraft is no longer in use, there is no more need for Soyuz-2.
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#9
by
patchfree
on 03 May, 2012 17:10
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But adding 400kg would mean a redesign of Progress M-M, because in the present configuration the is no available space for more cargo.
At first, the use of Soyuz-2 was needed for Progress M1. But since this spacecraft is no longer in use, there is no more need for Soyuz-2.
Adding kgs of cargo not necessary implies additional space. It depends on the nature of these kgs... (density)
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#10
by
Danderman
on 04 May, 2012 02:53
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But adding 400kg would mean a redesign of Progress M-M, because in the present configuration the is no available space for more cargo.
There is no requirement to redesign Progress-MM to incorporate 400 kg more cargo, all that is required is to fill the cargo compartment completely with dry cargo, fill all prop tanks, and all water and gas tanks, as described earlier in this thread.
Progress M-1 would allow even more cargo, by allowing an additional ~900 kg of prop in the refueling compartment.
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#11
by
Stan Black
on 29 Jun, 2012 21:47
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Could the Soyuz-2 not deliver the Progress to a higher orbit?
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#12
by
Danderman
on 30 Jun, 2012 05:01
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Could the Soyuz-2 not deliver the Progress to a higher orbit?
Drop zones.
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#13
by
Stan Black
on 30 Jun, 2012 07:04
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by
Danderman
on 01 Jul, 2012 14:26
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Could the Soyuz-2 not deliver the Progress to a higher orbit?
Drop zones.
The same for Progress M-UM?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=23673.msg675832#msg675832
You can bet that the UM will be filled with sufficient cargo, and that it itself will have sufficient mass, that the Soyuz-2 LV will drop stages almost exactly where Soyuz-U does.
But the question above is related to flying Progress to a higher initial orbit, and that cannot be done and still allow for stages to land in the appropriate drop zones.
However, the
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#15
by
Danderman
on 01 Jul, 2012 14:27
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Could the Soyuz-2 not deliver the Progress to a higher orbit?
The higher the initial orbit, the longer the rendezvous with ISS will take.
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#16
by
Danderman
on 06 Oct, 2013 15:13
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According to Anik, Progress M-22M is no longer flying on Soyuz 2-1A. but M-25M IS flying on the 2-1A.
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#17
by
Danderman
on 11 Jul, 2014 14:41
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http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=20311.msg1224968#msg1224968Q This October we are expecting a maiden flight of cargo transportation vehicle Progress on top of Soyuz-2.1A LV. How many of those LVs is requested by Roscosmos for such missions?
A Currently we got a contract for manufacturing of 4 Soyuz-2.1A LV for cargo transportation vehicle Progress supply missions. We are planning to launch first vehicle till this year fall, 2 - next year, and one in 2016.
Q How many Progress vehicles would be launched on Soyuz-2.1A before this LV might be certified as a man-rated? When are you planning a maiden flight of manned Soyuz on Soyuz 2.1A?
A At present time the head think tank of [Russian aerospace] industry [TsNIIMash] is busy preparing program of qualifying flights and determining minimal number of launches required to confirm reliability of LV before commencing manned launches. Our formal proposals are submitted to TsNIIMash. We are proposing to perform 3 qualifying flights with Progress cargo vehicle and after that to launch a manned Soyuz on Soyuz 2.1 (fall 2016 or in beginning of 2017).
He also mentioned that Centre is NOT planning to use Soyuz 2.1b LV for manned launches of Soyuz-TMA spacecrafts and Progess Cargo transportation vehicles.
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#18
by
anik
on 11 Jul, 2014 16:39
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He also mentioned that Centre is NOT planning to use Soyuz 2.1b LV for manned launches of Soyuz-TMA spacecrafts and Progess Cargo transportation vehicles
It is not planning
for now.
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#19
by
Stan Black
on 11 Jul, 2014 17:27
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by
Danderman
on 11 Jul, 2014 20:26
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So there is only one contract for four rockets at the moment.
The tender for four 2-1A rockets was raised in July 2012, contract signed August 2012.
1st delivery was scheduled for June 2014, for the launch of Progress-MS № 432, scheduled for launch in October 2014.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/events_journal/show?notificationId=3885879
So any earlier possible use of 2-1A is incorrect?
Yes. You can do us a favor and calculate the increased cost of using 2-1A vs Soyuz-U for Progress, to see if there is a significant difference. We could then figure out the launch cost of flying the additional 400 kg of payload.
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#21
by
Stan Black
on 11 Jul, 2014 23:24
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So there is only one contract for four rockets at the moment.
The tender for four 2-1A rockets was raised in July 2012, contract signed August 2012.
1st delivery was scheduled for June 2014, for the launch of Progress-MS № 432, scheduled for launch in October 2014.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/events_journal/show?notificationId=3885879
So any earlier possible use of 2-1A is incorrect?
Yes. You can do us a favor and calculate the increased cost of using 2-1A vs Soyuz-U for Progress, to see if there is a significant difference. We could then figure out the launch cost of flying the additional 400 kg of payload.
2014 - Soyuz-U 685,047,000 ruble - Soyuz-FG 742,880,000 ruble - Soyuz-2-1A
0,939,502,000 ruble
2015 - Soyuz-U 737,558,000 ruble - Soyuz-FG 799,466,000 ruble - Soyuz-2-1A 1,019,087,000 ruble
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=3194165http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=17286.msg1052136#msg1052136
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#22
by
Danderman
on 12 Jul, 2014 05:17
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In an earlier post, I mentioned that if the Progress for this mission is not loaded with an extra 400 kg of cargo, that the launch vehicle may have trouble with the stages not hitting the standard drop zones for Progress launches (due to the extra capacity of the Soyuz 2-1a LV.
What I didn't mention is that if the Progress does not carry additional cargo, the upper stage could be ballasted to make sure that the LV trajectory is nominal for a Progress mission.
My opinion is that this Progress will be loaded with 2900 kg of cargo.
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#23
by
Stan Black
on 12 Jul, 2014 08:48
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In an earlier post, I mentioned that if the Progress for this mission is not loaded with an extra 400 kg of cargo, that the launch vehicle may have trouble with the stages not hitting the standard drop zones for Progress launches (due to the extra capacity of the Soyuz 2-1a LV.
What I didn't mention is that if the Progress does not carry additional cargo, the upper stage could be ballasted to make sure that the LV trajectory is nominal for a Progress mission.
My opinion is that this Progress will be loaded with 2900 kg of cargo.
One unknown is the type of fairing.
The tender for transportation of the rocket to the launch site, unlike those for Soyuz-U, does not specify.
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/pgz/public/action/orders/info/common_info/show?notificationId=7498081
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#24
by
Danderman
on 12 Jul, 2014 15:13
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#25
by
Nicolas PILLET
on 26 Jul, 2014 10:47
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Acording to my classification, Progress M-25M will be the 350th Soviet/Russian spaceship to attempt to reach orbit !
18 Vostok/Voskhod, 146 Soyuz, 147 Progress, 7 BOR, 1 Buran, 15 L1, 1 LOK, 3 T2K, 8 VA, 3 TKS.
OK, I admit that BOR and T2K are not really "spaceships"... That's just for the fun of statistics !
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#26
by
Skyrocket
on 26 Jul, 2014 11:41
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Acording to my classification, Progress M-25M will be the 350th Soviet/Russian spaceship to attempt to reach orbit !
18 Vostok/Voskhod, 146 Soyuz, 147 Progress, 7 BOR, 1 Buran, 15 L1, 1 LOK, 3 T2K, 8 VA, 3 TKS.
OK, I admit that BOR and T2K are not really "spaceships"... That's just for the fun of statistics !
I wouldn't consider Progress a space ship. The re-entry mode is quite different... ;-)
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#27
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Sep, 2014 10:48
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The launch is now scheduled at 07:09:48 UTC on October 29. The Soyuz-2 rocket was delivered to Baikonur in late July.
<OT mode>Warning for those trying to get launch times from Russian sources - apparently Russia has reversed the decision made 3 years ago and reinstate DST, so from October 26 onwards Moscow time is once again UTC+3 this winter.
</OT mode>
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#28
by
Lewis007
on 02 Oct, 2014 10:05
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#29
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 04 Oct, 2014 15:46
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#30
by
russianhalo117
on 05 Oct, 2014 19:21
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Hmm Energia's website writes that it still will be lofted by a Soyuz-U rocket. Typo?
Energia info is out of date at this time. Originally this flight was on Soyuz-U but the Soyuz-U was already flown a few missions ago due to remaining manned certification tasks and ROSCOSMOS approvals. These flights do not require Fregat and as result was cleared to proceed with the flight following conclusion of the Soyuz-2 series investigation.
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#31
by
Satori
on 17 Oct, 2014 15:10
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October 16, 2014
A meeting of the Technical management
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.
The Technical Management meeting took place, which made a decision to fuel Progress M-25M cargo vehicle with propellant components and compressed gases.
http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss41/progress_m-25m/photo_10-16.html
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#32
by
Satori
on 21 Oct, 2014 20:14
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October 19, 2014
Progress M-25M cargo vehicle was delivered to the Spacecraft Assembly and Testing Facility
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.
Progress M-25M cargo vehicle fuelled with propellant components and compressed gases was delivered to the Spacecraft Assembly and Testing Facility for final processing operations.
http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss41/progress_m-25m/photo_10-19.html
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#33
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 22 Oct, 2014 10:54
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#34
by
Satori
on 22 Oct, 2014 11:18
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October 22, 2014
A transfer compartment was docked with Progress M-25M cargo vehicle
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.
Progress M-25M transport cargo vehicle was docked with the transfer compartment in the Spacecraft Assembly and Testing Facility.
http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss41/progress_m-25m/photo_10-22.html
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#35
by
jacqmans
on 22 Oct, 2014 19:03
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October 22, 2014
NASA TV Broadcasts Space Station Cargo Ship Activities
NASA Television will broadcast live the launch and docking Wednesday, Oct. 29.
The Progress 57 resupply ship will launch at 3:09 a.m. Oct. 29 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan (1:09 p.m. Baikonur time), with almost three tons of food, fuel and supplies for the station's Expedition 41 crew. Launch coverage begins at 2:45 a.m. Progress 57 will make its four-orbit, six-hour trip to the space station and dock at 9:09 a.m. Docking coverage will begin at 8:30 a.m.
The NASA Television schedule is available at:
http://www.nasa.gov/nasatvFor more information about the International Space Station, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/station
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#36
by
jacqmans
on 23 Oct, 2014 12:22
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October 23, 2014
Designers inspection of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle and payload shroud roll were performed
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.
Designers inspection of the Progress M-25M cargo vehicle was completed.
Payload shroud roll on to the Progress M-25M cargo vehicle was performed.
http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss41/progress_m-25m/photo_10-23.html
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#37
by
Satori
on 24 Oct, 2014 10:22
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October 24, 2014
The orbital module of the LV Soyuz-2.1a with CV Progress M-25M transportation for the general integration with LV
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.
Orbital module of the Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicle, containing Progress M-25M spacecraft was transported from the spacecraft processing facility for the general integration with LV.
http://www.energia.ru/en/iss/iss41/progress_m-25m/photo_10-24.html
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#38
by
Satori
on 27 Oct, 2014 07:18
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October 26, 2014
LV Soyuz general integration is completed
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.
Orbital module of the Soyuz-2.1 launch vehicle, containing Progress M-25M spacecraft was integrated with the Soyuz-2.1 launch vehicle in the processing facility.
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#39
by
Satori
on 27 Oct, 2014 07:19
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October 26, 2014
Technical management meeting and Government Commission meeting were convened
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.
Technical management meeting and Government Commission meeting were convened. A decision is made to roll out Soyuz-2.1 launch vehicle with Progress M-25M transport vehicle to the launch pad.
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#40
by
Satori
on 27 Oct, 2014 07:42
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#41
by
Satori
on 27 Oct, 2014 07:49
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October 27, 2014
Soyuz launch vehicle rollout to the launch pad
At Baikonur launch site the preparations continue for the launch of Progress M-25M cargo vehicle under the International Space Station program.
Soyuz launch vehicle was rolled out from the integration building to the launch pad. Soyuz-2.1a launch vehicle with Progress M-25M transport vehicle is installed on the launch pad. L-2 days activities have been started.
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#42
by
Satori
on 27 Oct, 2014 10:04
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Launcher integration on MIK
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#43
by
asmi
on 27 Oct, 2014 13:02
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Rollout (Roscosmos video):
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#44
by
jcm
on 27 Oct, 2014 21:51
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Acording to my classification, Progress M-25M will be the 350th Soviet/Russian spaceship to attempt to reach orbit !
18 Vostok/Voskhod, 146 Soyuz, 147 Progress, 7 BOR, 1 Buran, 15 L1, 1 LOK, 3 T2K, 8 VA, 3 TKS.
OK, I admit that BOR and T2K are not really "spaceships"... That's just for the fun of statistics !
I wouldn't consider Progress a space ship. The re-entry mode is quite different... ;-)
Different from the Apollo lunar module? :-)
Different from an ISS module?
and many science fiction spaceships cannot enter atmosphere...
I would say there is an interesting category of 'spacecraft with pressurized volume that can be entered on orbit
by astronauts'... Progress and the ISS modules are the same in this respect - I think 'spaceship' is a reasonable
word for this category, but YMMV.
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#45
by
edkyle99
on 27 Oct, 2014 22:44
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Snow already!
- Ed Kyle
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#46
by
russianhalo117
on 27 Oct, 2014 23:03
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Snow already!
- Ed Kyle
yep and more to come.
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#47
by
Lewis007
on 28 Oct, 2014 09:54
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Snow already!
- Ed Kyle
yep and more to come.
Winter is coming... (not only in Westeros)
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#48
by
Fuji
on 28 Oct, 2014 11:32
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#49
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 28 Oct, 2014 11:44
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One could see that the introduction of upgraded control systems greatly improved the orbit injection accuracy in the Soyuz series:
For Progress M-25M the orbit specifications are:
Inclination: 51.67 ± 0.03 °
Perigee: 193 ± 2 km
Apogee: 240 ± 5 km
Period: 88.53 ± 0.05 min
....compared with that of Progress M-24M:
Inclination: 51.66 ± 0.06 °
Perigee: 193 + 7 / -15 km
Apogee: 245 ± 42 km
Period: 88.59 ± 0.37 min
Also notice that there are some differences in the launch sequence as well - notably that the fairing separates much later on the Soyuz-2 (T+296.35s instead of T+160.56s on the Soyuz-U, i.e. now after 2nd stage has separated!). I think this is because separating later is actually preferable, but due to the limited control ability on the older series the fairing had to be shaved earlier in flight?
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#50
by
Chris Bergin
on 28 Oct, 2014 12:04
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One of the best Progress threads, lots of good info here. Many thanks!
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#51
by
asmi
on 28 Oct, 2014 12:33
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Also notice that there are some differences in the launch sequence as well - notably that the fairing separates much later on the Soyuz-2 (T+296.35s instead of T+160.56s on the Soyuz-U, i.e. now after 2nd stage has separated!). I think this is because separating later is actually preferable, but due to the limited control ability on the older series the fairing had to be shaved earlier in flight?
I doubt it - if anything
presence of fairing makes control easier.
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#52
by
Danderman
on 28 Oct, 2014 13:40
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Also notice that there are some differences in the launch sequence as well - notably that the fairing separates much later on the Soyuz-2 (T+296.35s instead of T+160.56s on the Soyuz-U, i.e. now after 2nd stage has separated!). I think this is because separating later is actually preferable, but due to the limited control ability on the older series the fairing had to be shaved earlier in flight?
This also could be the way that Soyuz 2 maintains the same drop zone for the core stage as for Soyu-U, by carrying the fairing longer.
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#53
by
Danderman
on 28 Oct, 2014 13:42
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MCC-M is released Progress-M-25M homepage. Payload weight is 2,350kg.
http://www.mcc.rsa.ru/progress_m25m.htm
Amazingly, payload mass and vehicle mass are listed as exactly the same as for a Soyuz-U mission, even though Soyuz-2 provides an extra 400 kg upmass capability.
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#54
by
Chris Bergin
on 28 Oct, 2014 20:56
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#55
by
Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 00:15
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Will appreciate it if someone can cover this as I'm still working with the Antares failure and there's no way I'm going to be able to work with a few hours sleep.
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#56
by
Prober
on 29 Oct, 2014 03:05
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Will appreciate it if someone can cover this as I'm still working with the Antares failure and there's no way I'm going to be able to work with a few hours sleep.
the hrs might work for me....will try
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#57
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:15
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I'll be able to cover this. Coverage starts in 30 minutes.
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#58
by
Mark McCombs
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:24
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Thanks for the information, Galactic Penguin SST. Good stuff.
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#59
by
Prober
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:41
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ok here we go... the music isn't bad
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#60
by
Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:43
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#61
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:46
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Perfect day for a launch.
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#62
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:48
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Someone walking in front of the rocket! Rollout video.
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#63
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:48
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#64
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:49
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#65
by
Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:49
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20 minutes for launch... all looks fine.
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#66
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:50
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#67
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:51
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Loaded with 2.9 tons of supplies.
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#68
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:52
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#69
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:52
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#70
by
Prober
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:53
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#71
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:53
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ISS control room. Crew has received wakeup call.
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#72
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:54
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#73
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Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:54
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#74
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:54
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#75
by
Prober
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:55
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#76
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:55
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Progress is on internal power.
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#77
by
Henchman21
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:57
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#78
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:57
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#79
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 05:59
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#80
by
Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:00
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#81
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:01
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#82
by
Henchman21
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:02
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#83
by
Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:03
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Rocket stands ready at the platform... 6 minutes for launch...
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#84
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:03
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T-7:50 minutes. Launch profile.
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#85
by
Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:04
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At this time there is still people at the pad...
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#86
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Henchman21
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:04
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#87
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:04
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#88
by
Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:04
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#89
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:05
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#90
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:07
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#91
by
Prober
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:07
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#92
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:07
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#93
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Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:08
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2 minutes for launch... there is a guy on the lower right of the picture...
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#94
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:08
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#95
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:08
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#96
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:09
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#97
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:10
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#98
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Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:11
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#99
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:11
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#100
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Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:11
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#101
by
Prober
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:11
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#102
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:12
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#103
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:13
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#104
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:13
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#105
by
Prober
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:14
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nice pic on the lower rightt
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#106
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:14
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Second stage nominal.
T+4 minutes.
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#107
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:15
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Second stage shutdown. Third stage ignition.
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#108
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:16
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#109
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:17
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T+7 minutes. All nominal.
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#110
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:18
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T+8 minutes.
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#111
by
Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:19
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#112
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:20
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Third stage shutdown and separation.
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#113
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:20
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Thanks for the coverage guys! Nice to have a success.
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#114
by
Prober
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:20
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#115
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:21
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Solar panels and antenna deployed about a minute ago.
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#116
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:22
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T+12 minutes. Good morning Chris!
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#117
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:24
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Everything going well on ISS.
Flawless countdown. No issues. 0 C temperature at launch. Cloudless. 8:45 minute climb to orbit. Both arrays deployed, including antenna booms.
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#118
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Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:25
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Standing by for morning daily tag up.
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#119
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 06:26
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Congratulations to Roscosmos for a successful Progress launch!
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#120
by
Steven Pietrobon
on 29 Oct, 2014 07:20
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Launch videos.
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#121
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 29 Oct, 2014 07:27
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#122
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Star One
on 29 Oct, 2014 07:42
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Congratulations to all concerned. The increased payload to orbit offered by using the 2-1A now be of great significance.
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#123
by
John44
on 29 Oct, 2014 09:09
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#124
by
robertross
on 29 Oct, 2014 09:49
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Thanks for the coverage guys.
Always great when they go up as planned.
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#125
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Artyom.
on 29 Oct, 2014 10:41
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#126
by
Artyom.
on 29 Oct, 2014 10:50
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#127
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Star One
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:41
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Does it have to do a set number of Progress launches successfully before it starts being used for Soyuz?
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#128
by
baldusi
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:47
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Does it have to do a set number of Progress launches successfully before it starts being used for Soyuz?
BTW, will now all Progress go on Soyuz-2 or had they interleaved a few just to make sure?
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#129
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Galactic Penguin SST
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:48
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Looks like everyone have forgotten that this little thing is approaching the ISS right now.
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#130
by
lbiderman
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:49
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Does it have to do a set number of Progress launches successfully before it starts being used for Soyuz?
BTW, will now all Progress go on Soyuz-2 or had they interleaved a few just to make sure?
According to the russian launch schedule, there are still Progress launches planned on Soyuz-U in 2015, with total change to Soyuz 2-1a in 2016.
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#131
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Galactic Penguin SST
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:50
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#132
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Star One
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:50
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Does it have to do a set number of Progress launches successfully before it starts being used for Soyuz?
BTW, will now all Progress go on Soyuz-2 or had they interleaved a few just to make sure?
I thought all Progress payloads would be on Soyuz-2, as there were no Us remaining now.
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#133
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Galactic Penguin SST
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:54
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#134
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:55
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#135
by
Galactic Penguin SST
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:56
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#136
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:57
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#137
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:58
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#138
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 11:58
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#139
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:02
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#140
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northenarc
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:02
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#141
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:03
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#142
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:05
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#143
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northenarc
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:05
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#144
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:06
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#145
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Lee Jay
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:08
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Capture confirmed. Station in free drift.
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#146
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:09
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#147
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Chris Bergin
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:09
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Eight minutes past the hour, a minute ahead of schedule, 5hrs 59mins after launch.
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#148
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Lee Jay
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:10
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Seems like more post-contact motion than usual.
Damped out well.
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#149
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Galactic Penguin SST
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:12
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Welcome to the station! Progress is still holding the title for being the best choice for space logistics vehicles of last resort right now.
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#150
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northenarc
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:15
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Couple more pre docking views. (sorry for the ham fisted capping)
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#151
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Nicolas PILLET
on 29 Oct, 2014 12:35
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Does it have to do a set number of Progress launches successfully before it starts being used for Soyuz?
4.
One today, two more in 2015, and one in 2016.
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#152
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Satori
on 29 Oct, 2014 13:13
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A few launch images from Energia...
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#153
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John44
on 29 Oct, 2014 13:35
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#154
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Star One
on 29 Oct, 2014 14:11
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Does it have to do a set number of Progress launches successfully before it starts being used for Soyuz?
4.
One today, two more in 2015, and one in 2016.
Thank you. Is 2016 when the first Soyuz launch will be made with it.
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#155
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jacqmans
on 30 Oct, 2014 06:54
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#156
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Nicolas PILLET
on 31 Oct, 2014 18:22
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Does it have to do a set number of Progress launches successfully before it starts being used for Soyuz?
4.
One today, two more in 2015, and one in 2016.
Thank you. Is 2016 when the first Soyuz launch will be made with it.
First manned launch using Soyuz-2.1a will be Soyuz MS-4, scheduled on 30th March 2017.
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#157
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Star One
on 31 Oct, 2014 18:47
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Does it have to do a set number of Progress launches successfully before it starts being used for Soyuz?
4.
One today, two more in 2015, and one in 2016.
Thank you. Is 2016 when the first Soyuz launch will be made with it.
First manned launch using Soyuz-2.1a will be Soyuz MS-4, scheduled on 30th March 2017.
Thanks.
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#158
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Danderman
on 16 Nov, 2014 19:06
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http://www.mcc.rsa.ru/progress_m25m.htmAccording to this site, the total cargo mass carried by the vehicle was 2322 kg.
Since this is more or less the same as cargo mass for Progress when launched by the less capable Soyuz-U, it seems that the launch trajectory maintained the usual drop zones by the expedient of carrying the payload fairing for a longer period (at 296 seconds into flight vs the normal 160 seconds).
According to TsUP, the boosters landed 355 km downrange vs 348 km for Soyuz-U.
The payload fairing landed 1550 km downrange rather than 527 km.
The core stage landed 1576 km downrange rather than 1570 km for Soyuz-U.
Because of the greater precision in the orbital insertion, due the digital control system in Soyuz 2, the first two orbital maneuvers were half the size of those normally conducted. The savings in delta-V was about 40 meters per second, which is about 20 kg of propellant use.
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#159
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Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Apr, 2015 04:36
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You see how routine this ISS logistics flight is (compared with, say, the one that flew hours before this one
) when you need to reach page 7 to dig out this thread!
Anyway this Progress will leave the station in 2 hours time at around 06:40 UTC.
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#160
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Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Apr, 2015 06:29
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You see how routine this ISS logistics flight is (compared with, say, the one that flew hours before this one ) when you need to reach page 7 to dig out this thread!
Anyway this Progress will leave the station in 2 hours time at around 06:40 UTC.
NASA TV coverage has started - someone please help me with the screenshots...
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#161
by
Artyom.
on 25 Apr, 2015 08:26
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#162
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Galactic Penguin SST
on 25 Apr, 2015 08:37
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You see how routine this ISS logistics flight is (compared with, say, the one that flew hours before this one ) when you need to reach page 7 to dig out this thread!
Anyway this Progress will leave the station in 2 hours time at around 06:40 UTC.
NASA TV coverage has started - someone please help me with the screenshots...
You see, this has become so routine that no-one here managed to catch this one (even in this sleepy hours had this be a Dragon leaving I'm sure there will be people posting
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Anyway here it is:
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#163
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John44
on 25 Apr, 2015 09:08
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#164
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Artyom.
on 25 Apr, 2015 09:29
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More videos from our cosmonauts:
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#165
by
Satori
on 25 Apr, 2015 10:27
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According to Novosti Kosmonavtiki, separation took place at 0641:14UTC. Progress M-25M should reenter on Earth's atmosphere on April 26.
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#166
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Satori
on 27 Apr, 2015 11:59
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#167
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Stan Black
on 04 Mar, 2016 16:49
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I have hit one of those things I am struggling to understand. It looks like they under insured this launch?
Progress M-25M (№424) flew on Soyuz-2-1a №Г15000-021 (16М136С). That rocket had been manufactured under contract №353-1193/12, and had been intended to launch Progress MS-02 (№432) [
source]. Total cost 939,502,000 Russian ruble.
A Soyuz-U had been ordered for Progress-M №424, under contract №353-1130/12 [
source]. Total cost 636,570,000 Russian ruble.
The launch was insured:-
Страхование рисков при запуске ракеты-носителя «Союз-2.1а» с космическим аппаратом «Прогресс М-25М» (№424) и стыковке космического аппарата «Прогресс М-25М» с Международной космической станцией.
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source]
Those tenders for insurance are a little confusing because they round things up, but the rocket and fairing are shown to have cost 684 million ruble. That would cover a Soyuz-U rocket at 636,570,000 and 46,686,000 for the fairing; not a Soyuz-2-1a.
Lucky then it was a success?
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#168
by
cscott
on 04 Mar, 2016 18:06
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I think it's not unusual to slightly underinsure an item (launch, valuables, etc) to save a little on the premium. It's equivalent to insuring the rest of the value yourself: it's your loss if something goes wrong. An instance company likes this, for the same reason they *don't* like overinsuring: they want to make sure your incentives are aligned toward success.
So the insurance value is (in the absence of corruption) probably best treated as a lower limit on the value of the item insured.
This is just a general observation from economics; I have no special insight on Russian launch insurance. (And my observations are in the absence of market distortions or corruption, which are probably not sound presuppositions in this case.)
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#169
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Stan Black
on 05 Mar, 2016 16:19
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He also mentioned that Centre is NOT planning to use Soyuz 2.1b LV for manned launches of Soyuz-TMA spacecrafts and Progess Cargo transportation vehicles
It is not planning for now.
Разработка эскизного проекта транспортного грузового корабля повышенной грузоподъемности и увеличенными массо-габаритными характеристиками. Разработка эскизного проекта на РКК с транспортным грузовым кораблем повышенной грузоподъемности и РН «Союз-2» этапа 1б.
Сроки выполнения работ (начало-окончание) 09.2015 12.2016
Цена этапа (тыс.руб.) 250 148,40
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/contract/contractCard/common-info.html?reestrNumber=1770236167415000171
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) when you need to reach page 7 to dig out this thread!