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[TrevorMonty]

The question is did the contents Elon's speech at news conference on Friday trigger Rogozin's 'trampoline' tweet.

[rcoppola]

The question is did the contents Elon's speech at news conference on Friday trigger Rogozin's 'trampoline' tweet.

No, that would be the latest round of EU and US Hi-Tech Export sanctions that he was responding to.

[TrevorMonty]

The question is did the contents Elon's speech at news conference on Friday trigger Rogozin's 'trampoline' tweet.

No, that would be the latest round of EU and US Hi-Tech Export sanctions that he was responding to.

Its good news that Elon's speech wasn't cause.
The bad news is that ISS has now been directly effected by the political events.

[yg1968]

House draft appropriation bill proposes $785M for commercial crew for FY 2015. See link below:

USA Today says commercial crew would get $785M under the proposed bill:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/30/nasa-commercial-crew-program-house-appropriations/8527815/

A key House Appropriations subcommittee voted unanimously Wednesday to approve a spending plan that would provide $785 million for the Commercial Crew Program in fiscal 2015.

[Lar]

That's less than the number on the bill pre markup I think. Certainly less than the Administration request. What was the fate of the supplemental? Axed I expect.

[manboy]

House draft appropriation bill proposes $785M for commercial crew for FY 2015. See link below:

USA Today says commercial crew would get $785M under the proposed bill:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/30/nasa-commercial-crew-program-house-appropriations/8527815/

A key House Appropriations subcommittee voted unanimously Wednesday to approve a spending plan that would provide $785 million for the Commercial Crew Program in fiscal 2015.

This is great news, I'm glad the House is starting to support the program.

[yg1968]

That's less than the number on the bill pre markup I think. Certainly less than the Administration request. What was the fate of the supplemental? Axed I expect.

There was no prior number as far as I know. The House and Senate usually meet somewhere in the middle. Hopefully the Senate will propose $850M (as the President requested) and they will meet in the middle at $818M.

Republicans have called the supplemental DOA from the outset. Democrats knew it was DOA when they proposed it. 

[Prober]

That's less than the number on the bill pre markup I think. Certainly less than the Administration request. What was the fate of the supplemental? Axed I expect.

There was no prior number as far as I know. The House and Senate usually meet somewhere in the middle. Hopefully the Senate will propose $850M (as the President requested) and they will meet in the middle at $818M.

Republicans have called the supplemental DOA from the outset. Democrats knew it was DOA when they proposed it.

Yes, but they requested cash on top of that and it would have gone over a billon for FY 015 right?

[docmordrid]

A Federal judge has issued an injunction on ULA re: RD-180's

http://m.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/elon-musks-spacex-granted-injunction-in-rocket-launch-suit-against-lockheed-boeing/2014/04/30/4b028f7c-d0cd-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html

[manboy]

A Federal judge has issued an injunction on ULA re: RD-180's

http://m.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/elon-musks-spacex-granted-injunction-in-rocket-launch-suit-against-lockheed-boeing/2014/04/30/4b028f7c-d0cd-11e3-937f-d3026234b51c_story.html

I didn't expect that to happen. I wonder how this will effect Boeing's and Sierra Nevada's bids.

[yg1968]

That's less than the number on the bill pre markup I think. Certainly less than the Administration request. What was the fate of the supplemental? Axed I expect.

There was no prior number as far as I know. The House and Senate usually meet somewhere in the middle. Hopefully the Senate will propose $850M (as the President requested) and they will meet in the middle at $818M.

Republicans have called the supplemental DOA from the outset. Democrats knew it was DOA when they proposed it.

Yes, but they requested cash on top of that and it would have gone over a billon for FY 015 right?

Yes but that was in the supplemental which has been called DOA as soon as it was released. The supplemental funds were to accelerate the commercial crew program.  I never took the supplemental request seriously. It was just pre-midterm election postering.

[Lar]

Let's not go into motivations of something that is OFF TOPIC for this thread.  Trimmed.

[GalacticIntruder]

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/star-wars-the-battle-to-build-the-next-shuttle-GYBY6msZSKqUp41iUWoAFA.html?cmpid=yhoo


The one takeaway I got is that Elon says he needs a minimum of 4 flights per year and a full compliment of astronauts (28?) for 20 million per seat.

[guckyfan]

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/star-wars-the-battle-to-build-the-next-shuttle-GYBY6msZSKqUp41iUWoAFA.html?cmpid=yhoo


The one takeaway I got is that Elon says he needs a minimum of 4 flights per year and a full compliment of astronauts (28?) for 20 million per seat.

Which probably means with two flights a year and 3 astronauts each he would not be cheaper than Sojus. Who can be surprised at this launch rate?

[Prober]

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/star-wars-the-battle-to-build-the-next-shuttle-GYBY6msZSKqUp41iUWoAFA.html?cmpid=yhoo


The one takeaway I got is that Elon says he needs a minimum of 4 flights per year and a full compliment of astronauts (28?) for 20 million per seat.

Excellent video story,  but parts of it seem many months old or what's presented isn't correct. 
For Example: The recent Boeing number of passengers is different etc.

[Prober]

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/star-wars-the-battle-to-build-the-next-shuttle-GYBY6msZSKqUp41iUWoAFA.html?cmpid=yhoo


The one takeaway I got is that Elon says he needs a minimum of 4 flights per year and a full compliment of astronauts (28?) for 20 million per seat.

Which probably means with two flights a year and 3 astronauts each he would not be cheaper than Sojus. Who can be surprised at this launch rate?

The Crew program was designed for two flights.   One early milestones was to have a 2nd market lined up for the Commercial market.   Maybe someone else could confirm this.

The down select is going to be a real popcorn event.

[yg1968]

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/star-wars-the-battle-to-build-the-next-shuttle-GYBY6msZSKqUp41iUWoAFA.html?cmpid=yhoo


The one takeaway I got is that Elon says he needs a minimum of 4 flights per year and a full compliment of astronauts (28?) for 20 million per seat.

That means $560M per year. That is not that cheap. It's $70M per seat if you fly 8 astronauts per year (assuming that there is no reduction for ordering only two flights per year). That's the same price as Soyuz.

[yg1968]

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/star-wars-the-battle-to-build-the-next-shuttle-GYBY6msZSKqUp41iUWoAFA.html?cmpid=yhoo


The one takeaway I got is that Elon says he needs a minimum of 4 flights per year and a full compliment of astronauts (28?) for 20 million per seat.

Which probably means with two flights a year and 3 astronauts each he would not be cheaper than Sojus. Who can be surprised at this launch rate?

The Crew program was designed for two flights.   One early milestones was to have a 2nd market lined up for the Commercial market.   Maybe someone else could confirm this.

The down select is going to be a real popcorn event.

There is no milestones related to having a commercial market. But it does help youre business case if you have one.

[manboy]

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/star-wars-the-battle-to-build-the-next-shuttle-GYBY6msZSKqUp41iUWoAFA.html?cmpid=yhoo


The one takeaway I got is that Elon says he needs a minimum of 4 flights per year and a full compliment of astronauts (28?) for 20 million per seat.

That means $560M per year. That is not that cheap. It's $70M per seat if you fly 8 astronauts per year (assuming that there is no reduction for ordering only two flights per year). That's the same price as Soyuz.

Still better than sending it to Russia.

[baldusi]

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/star-wars-the-battle-to-build-the-next-shuttle-GYBY6msZSKqUp41iUWoAFA.html?cmpid=yhoo


The one takeaway I got is that Elon says he needs a minimum of 4 flights per year and a full compliment of astronauts (28?) for 20 million per seat.

That means $560M per year. That is not that cheap. It's $70M per seat if you fly 8 astronauts per year (assuming that there is no reduction for ordering only two flights per year). That's the same price as Soyuz.

That's 140M per flight. If they can do two flights for 160M with four crew each that's still 40M per seat. Even at 200M per flight (with four crew) is only 50M per seat. Still cheaper than Soyuz.