How about we just start a poll thread of the choices. It won't let me for some reason but here are the options I would allowFull - DC, Dragon; Half - CSTFull - DC, Dragon; Half - LibertyFull - CST, Dragon; Half - DCFull - CST, Dragon; Half - LibertyFull - Liberty, Dragon; Half - CSTFull - Liberty, Dragon; Half - DCFull - CST, DC; Half - DragonFull - CST, DC; Half - LibertyFull - CST, Liberty; Half - DragonFull - CST, Liberty; Half - DCFull - DC, Liberty; Half - DragonFull - DC, Liberty; Half - CSTOther (please post)
Quote from: kirghizstan on 08/01/2012 08:54 pmHow about we just start a poll thread of the choices. It won't let me for some reason but here are the options I would allowFull - DC, Dragon; Half - CSTFull - DC, Dragon; Half - LibertyFull - CST, Dragon; Half - DCFull - CST, Dragon; Half - LibertyFull - Liberty, Dragon; Half - CSTFull - Liberty, Dragon; Half - DCFull - CST, DC; Half - DragonFull - CST, DC; Half - LibertyFull - CST, Liberty; Half - DragonFull - CST, Liberty; Half - DCFull - DC, Liberty; Half - DragonFull - DC, Liberty; Half - CSTOther (please post)Don't forget blue origin
I just hope Dream Chaser doesn't miss out.
What I'd like to see; Full Awards: SpaceX, Dream Chaser, Partial Award Blue Origin (diversity triumphant)What I hope to see; Full Awards: SpaceX, Dream Chaser, Partial Award CST-100What I expect to see; Full Awards: CST-100, SpaceX, Partial Award Dream ChaserWhat I fear to see; Full Awards: CST-100, Liberty, Partial Award SpaceX (old boy network triumphant)
{snip}Other (please post)
Quote from: anonymous1138 on 08/01/2012 01:50 pmQuote from: yg1968 on 08/01/2012 01:27 pmGerst is the selecting officer. If he decides that ATK gets full funding, it gets full funding. The White House (or even Bolden for that matter) cannot undo his selections. The only thing that the White House can do about it is delay the announcement or perhaps renegotiate the deal with Wolf to have four providers instead of three. If NASA has actually chosen ATK, I hope that it is not for political reasons or because it is launching from KSC or because it has commonality with SLS/MPCV. But given NASA's past history, I am not too confident that Gerst decisions will be based solely on business and technical merits as it should be. If that is the case, I can understand the White House being unhappy about one of Gerst's selections. Gerst must have know how the White House would react ahead of time. The White House doesn't think of the commercial crew program as an SLS/MPCV supplement program. I have heard only good things spoken about Gerstenmeier. Any decisions made purely on business and technical merit will probably - over time, at least - be accepted. Let’s all try and be kind to him. Have a feeling some will throw the mud all over regarding this civil servant.
Quote from: yg1968 on 08/01/2012 01:27 pmGerst is the selecting officer. If he decides that ATK gets full funding, it gets full funding. The White House (or even Bolden for that matter) cannot undo his selections. The only thing that the White House can do about it is delay the announcement or perhaps renegotiate the deal with Wolf to have four providers instead of three. If NASA has actually chosen ATK, I hope that it is not for political reasons or because it is launching from KSC or because it has commonality with SLS/MPCV. But given NASA's past history, I am not too confident that Gerst decisions will be based solely on business and technical merits as it should be. If that is the case, I can understand the White House being unhappy about one of Gerst's selections. Gerst must have know how the White House would react ahead of time. The White House doesn't think of the commercial crew program as an SLS/MPCV supplement program. I have heard only good things spoken about Gerstenmeier. Any decisions made purely on business and technical merit will probably - over time, at least - be accepted.
Gerst is the selecting officer. If he decides that ATK gets full funding, it gets full funding. The White House (or even Bolden for that matter) cannot undo his selections. The only thing that the White House can do about it is delay the announcement or perhaps renegotiate the deal with Wolf to have four providers instead of three. If NASA has actually chosen ATK, I hope that it is not for political reasons or because it is launching from KSC or because it has commonality with SLS/MPCV. But given NASA's past history, I am not too confident that Gerst decisions will be based solely on business and technical merits as it should be. If that is the case, I can understand the White House being unhappy about one of Gerst's selections. Gerst must have know how the White House would react ahead of time. The White House doesn't think of the commercial crew program as an SLS/MPCV supplement program.
Quote from: kirghizstan on 08/01/2012 08:54 pm{snip}Other (please post)At this stage of the game it can also beFull - man-rate Atlas V, man-rate Falcon 9; Half - DC.
Full - man-rate Atlas V, man-rate Falcon 9; Half - DC.
Quote from: A_M_Swallow on 08/01/2012 10:44 pmFull - man-rate Atlas V, man-rate Falcon 9; Half - DC.Lost for words that I can post without being moderated.That is not what is being competed. NASA is looking total crew to orbit package, which the spacecraft is the major part and launch vehicle is done by a supplier or subtier element of the proposer.
Quote from: Jim on 08/02/2012 12:31 amQuote from: A_M_Swallow on 08/01/2012 10:44 pmFull - man-rate Atlas V, man-rate Falcon 9; Half - DC.Lost for words that I can post without being moderated.That is not what is being competed. NASA is looking total crew to orbit package, which the spacecraft is the major part and launch vehicle is done by a supplier or subtier element of the proposer. This must be the tenth time Jim has had to post that message for the same person.
1. Which means the spacecraft companies have to pay for man rating the launch vehicles. 2. Those costs will be charged back to NASA.
It helps that Boeing make the CST-100 and are a major shareholder in ULA. So the practical difference is which salesman gets the commission on the sale.
Quote from: Prober on 08/01/2012 05:12 pmQuote from: anonymous1138 on 08/01/2012 01:50 pmQuote from: yg1968 on 08/01/2012 01:27 pmGerst is the selecting officer. If he decides that ATK gets full funding, it gets full funding. The White House (or even Bolden for that matter) cannot undo his selections. The only thing that the White House can do about it is delay the announcement or perhaps renegotiate the deal with Wolf to have four providers instead of three. If NASA has actually chosen ATK, I hope that it is not for political reasons or because it is launching from KSC or because it has commonality with SLS/MPCV. But given NASA's past history, I am not too confident that Gerst decisions will be based solely on business and technical merits as it should be. If that is the case, I can understand the White House being unhappy about one of Gerst's selections. Gerst must have know how the White House would react ahead of time. The White House doesn't think of the commercial crew program as an SLS/MPCV supplement program. I have heard only good things spoken about Gerstenmeier. Any decisions made purely on business and technical merit will probably - over time, at least - be accepted. Let’s all try and be kind to him. Have a feeling some will throw the mud all over regarding this civil servant.I have a lot of respect for Gerstenmaier, and I'm sure that respect will continue irregardless to who he chooses.EDIT: Although I am hoping SpaceX gets a full, with Dream Chaser and CST-100 getting the other two awards.
Quote from: A_M_Swallow on 08/02/2012 08:21 amIt helps that Boeing make the CST-100 and are a major shareholder in ULA. So the practical difference is which salesman gets the commission on the sale.huh? Another meaningless point. Then, how is it any different than Spacex, who both builds the Dragon and Falcon?
NASA may have bids that will pay twice for man rating the Atlas V.
